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Tales of Symphonia Forum: The Possibilities This Series Can Be Included In Brawl

lumberheartwood

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The Tales of Symphonia games are a very critically acclaimed franchise. Although it is fairly undermined, there is no denying that this franchise has possibilities to be in future Super Smash Bros. games. If Nintendo is really thinking, this franchise can even be a possible choice for adding materials into Brawl.

Sure the first icon people think of when considering a Namco character into Brawl is the legendary Mr. Pac Man, but there are indeed other good options. Namco owns and produces Xenosaga and Tales of Symphonia, the perfect two games people can imagine seeing have elements incorporated into Brawl. Although Xenosaga is a little too science fantastical even for Brawl's world, the Tales of Symphonia games are just begging to be mentioned somewhere in Brawl.

Sure the main recurring character is a sword-user but unlike the others seen so far in Brawl, the usual main character, Lloyd Irving, is not based on Medieval elements like Link or Ike. He may be around their age, but his physical appearance doesn't even have a similarity to these two swordsmen. He is his own when it comes to attire and is a greatly appreciated change from the usual stereotypical sword-fighter we see in video games. (Which is a cape, woodland leather boots, European design, etc...) He wears a red suit with matching red boots, with farmboy overalls, and a hair style different from that of Ike and Link. He more matches similarites to Pit than the other Nintendo swordsmen.

I know you people are dying to argue that Lloyd is from a variety of common issues but this will be my presentation as to why he can indeed be in a Smash Bros. game (hear me out, I'm not saying he should be in Brawl but possibly come in later to the Smash Bros. franchise).
If you don't like my reasoning for Lloyd, there is also a new protaganist in the Tales of Symphonia series making his debut exclusive for Nintendo's Wii. I'll mention him later on.

POINT 1:
Lloyd has a definite potential moveset. Although many elements are like usual sword users, he can become his own, thanks in par to his ability to use two swords at once, an element not incorporated into the Smash franchise yet. I can already picture Lloyd using the Angel's Tear swords against Ike's Ragnall or Marth's Falchion too.
He can use moves like Demon Fang, Tiger Blade, Sonic Thrust, Sword Rain, the mighty Tempest, and the fierce Beast slash attacks in his arsenal, so its not hard imagining what he can do against Nintendo's creations. His button scheme will be much easier than that of the Tales of Symphonia games too, adding more to his likability.
His move to get back to the screen can possibly be the Rising Falcon move or the Omega Tempest, where he swings himself with his blades, kind of link Link back to the screen but instead of spinning upward and staying still on the ground, he can go horizontal and he can still move straightward (picture a combination of Link's Spinning attack with that of Fox's Dash).
As his final smash, he can use the almighty Rising Phoenix or an absolutely new attack that's original in the Smash franchise. Or they could show off something he can do in the upcoming Tales of Symphonia game. If you guys have better ideas for a final smash, please tell me, because its been a while for me.

POINT 2:
Lloyd has been seen outside of the Tales of Symphonia franchise. This happened this year in the game of Soul Calibur Legends, exclusively for the Wii. Although the game was looked down upon, it was appealing in that a character not from that universe crossed over and pretty much became a major of the appeal in the frowned upon game. If the game hadn't destroyed their famous multi-playing status for an RPG style side scrolling game, it probably would have been a truly magnificent game this year. This is what makes Brawl the perfect multi-playing game for the Wii system and Lloyd's chance at redemption into a real multi-battling game.
If Lloyd managed to incorporate everything he had from Soul Calibur Legends into Super Smash Brothers Brawl (generally for any Smash Bros. game though), with a minor few tweaks here and there, he has the potential to be a major top-tier since he is powerful but lithe. He can counteract with his two swords fast yet make sure has firm standing ground, unlike Marth before him. Plus, I can say this for sure, that many casual players really like characters who can straight on attack with rapid speed (this is seen in how popular Meta Knight was at the E-For-All demo). Lloyd can be the opposite of popular professional player-used character Marth in that they are rapid and onslaughting but in that Marth waits for his chance to strike, while Lloyd is the definition of a brawler, for he makes sure he keeps making hits over and over and over perpetually. For Lloyd, the Smash Bros. franchise can not only add to the hype of the series of the Smash Universe, but also to his games too. Its a win-win situation for Namco and Nintendo.

*Keep this in mind, if Link and Lloyd both fought in Soul Calibur, why can't they both duke it out in Super Smash Brothers?...

POINT 3:
The Namco business is in really good ties with Nintendo's industry and are starting to make sure to produce games that Nintendo can call Wii-exclusive. Although Pac Man is the favorite icon fans and players are hoping to see to rival Sonic and Mario, it wouldn't hurt to consider a rival original sword-user to counteract all of Nintendo's European flair swordsmen.
We know Smash Bros. is NOT Soul Calibur but no one can deny that sword users are amazing characters to use, especially in a multi-player game.
If Lloyd was in a Super Smash game, his attraction far excels that of Ike, Link, and possibly Isaac, who all share the common European theme. He is himself true to the name of his blades and that can combat against Nintendo's one sword-using fighters. His speed with set normal power can make him well-balanced like Link, but unlike Link's cheap projectiles or Ike's Eruption, he himself will make sure that he wins by the definition of a fair "hand to hand" match, something rarely seen in Nintendo's history. (The only character who can match is retro Nintendo character Takamaru, but his design is that of a true Feudal style samurai, which is still different than Lloyd's appearance)
Lloyd had history with Nintendo since his majorly acclaimed game hit the Nintendo GameCube in 2003. It has sold over 1.2 million copies worldwide now. But the Tales series itself had impacted Nintendo back in 2000. Lloyd has further introduction into Nintendo's history in that he is making an appearance in an upcoming game for the Wii-exclusively known as "Tales of Symphonia: Knights of Ratatosk." Although he is not the main protaganist, (its not currently addressed if he is also playable) Lloyd is still a major part of the upcoming game's plot and that's enough to guarantee a showing in an upcoming Smash Bros. game. If Nintendo doesn't want to advertise Lloyd, they can introduce a whole new protaganist into the Smash games, whose name goes by that of Emil Castagnier. (I'm almost done, so bear with me a little of your patience) With that in mind, isn't Lloyd a possible game addition to the Smash universe?

*THE NEWCOMER:
If you haven't known, there is an upcoming game (made by Namco) made only for the Wii called "Tales of Symphonia: Knight of Ratatosk. Emil Castagnier is still a major different from that of Ike and Link and looks more aesthetically pleasing from an anime kind of view, similar to Kingdom Hearts's very own Sora. If Nintendo can't count on getting Sora for their Smash games, then this is the guy they should be looking at.

Not only is he a new part of Nintendo history, he's original compared to all of Nintendo's original characters. He owns a serrated blade - I know he only uses one "sword" but its still different - and he has his own catch phrase. That's amazing already. He'd be perfect like Roy was or how Snake is now. A gimmick to promote their games. He's at the ripe age of 16 like our heroes from the Legend of Zelda and Fire Emblem so its natural he fits in too right away. Although he hasn't been shown much with his debut shown at Jump Festa 2007 this month of December, he'd be perfect to give people a taste of what the Tales of Symphonia is and allow new followers to grow with him, just like the fans of Mario, Sonic, and Lloyd.

This is all I have to say for the Tales of Symphonia. Its a great game with so many items and stages and characters that can be added to a Super Smash Bros. game. If Sakurai and Nintendo are smart, they've already contacted Namco about this game instead of Mr. Pac Man. I mean seriously, Pac Man is cool, but how many elements can we truly enjoy when he is added to Brawl? A labyrinth of a stage like that of the arcade game isn't fitting for true brawlers who want a simple platform. Now that your done, I hope you reason that its all about Lloyd or Erik for the Namco spot in the Smash Brothers game!
 

Penguyen

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Sigh.. if only they didn't port it to the PS2 (japan). It'd make it more easily :)
BTW Pit uses two swords too if you count that as swords.. But other than that you're right Lloyd would definitely have a unique moveset.
 

binki4

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i had,t play that series yet because i want to had it on wii it a nice series and i will play it anytime i want but i mid exctited about it
 

PRINCESS PEACH777

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i really love this game and i saw the movie it was cool but the game is better
anyway yes Tales of Symphonia characters are cool it would be nice to have them
but sakurai doesn't know what the word cool is so don't get your hopes up:ohwell:
 

Ryudo_Sama

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Lloyd getting in over Pac Man is a huge no, but maybe Sakurai will be generous and put him in. He did say there will be more third parties than you think.
 

thedup

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pac man getting in is a huge no, lloyd getting in would be awesome, I loved this game
 

•Col•

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I dunno... I think Lloyd's Falcon Crest would make a better final smash than Rising Phoenix...
 

Black/Light

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Hummm, I see many a flaw in your post (example, The new guy didn't debut in Dec. We have known about him and the game for a well now. . . most of 07)but I do think a ToS 3rd party character beats Pac Man any day.

Who knows, maybe Nintendo decided to take 3rd parties from other, more profitable sources than the arvg route people here thought. MM was a "shoe in" and Nintendo didn't pay any mind to that (according to what we hear anyway) so maybe they want a more currently popular 3rd party character.
 

Cless

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It's called the Tales series, not the Tales of Symphonia series.

Lloyd would use the Material Blades if he were in Brawl, or non-descript katanas. He would not use Rising Falcon as a recovery. I don't know why people think that'd be a good recovery move. He'd use Tempest. Omega Tempest lasts way too long. He'd get hit.

He'd use Falcon's Crest for a Final Smash. Why would he use anything besides his one hi-ougi?

Soul Calibur Legends sucked because it sucked. Not because it went away from the fighting. It was a mediocre DW clone, and DW is mediocre in the first place. Also, Marth is brutal and has rapid attacks. I guess you've never seen a comboing Marth?

There's already Tales of Symphonia and Lloyd topics. Look a little. Also, ToS: KoR characters ftl.

Lloyd sucks. Every other hero except short haired Luke and Kyle is better than he is.
 

SmashFi3nd

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It's called the Tales series, not the Tales of Symphonia series.

Lloyd would use the Material Blades if he were in Brawl, or non-descript katanas. He would not use Rising Falcon as a recovery. I don't know why people think that'd be a good recovery move. He'd use Tempest. Omega Tempest lasts way too long. He'd get hit.

He'd use Falcon's Crest for a Final Smash. Why would he use anything besides his one hi-ougi?

Soul Calibur Legends sucked because it sucked. Not because it went away from the fighting. It was a mediocre DW clone, and DW is mediocre in the first place. Also, Marth is brutal and has rapid attacks. I guess you've never seen a comboing Marth?

There's already Tales of Symphonia and Lloyd topics. Look a little. Also, ToS: KoR characters ftl.

Lloyd sucks. Every other hero except short haired Luke and Kyle is better than he is.
Im not trying to get off topic but wat do u mean by DW?
 

Noshiee

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DW is Dynasty Warriors, and also, if any Tales characters are getting into Brawl, is between Lloyd, Emil or Cless (Tales of Phantasia, appeared in the Super Nintendo and had a remake in the Gameboy Advance).
Also, I actually dont like Kyle (he was not in a Nintendo console so there is no chance for him to get on Brawl), and Luke is indeed cooler in my opinion (but Lloyd still kiks ***!), to bad he is PS2 only.
 

Cless

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Short hair Luke is stupid. He has three stages: overly repentant, suicidal, and accepting of himself. The last stage is far too short. The best Luke is pre-Akzeriuth mission Luke.

Honestly though, Lloyd has the best chance to get into Brawl (of which, there is none). He's popular in both countries; though Cless is way more popular in Japan.

Also, anyone Symphonia on down can technically appear in Brawl, but it's really between Cless, Lloyd, and Emil (I guess, I'd rather have an established character)
 

SagePrime

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First off, there is no way pacman would get in over Lloyd r any other tales character. What play value would he have. whats he gonna do, eat people twenty different ways. I agree that he is Namcos mascot, but there is now way pacman would get in . If he did, i dont know what id do.
 

orintemple

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Pacman would be awkward no matter what they did with him. Even in the 3d games he doesn't really have a unique set of moves that they could use to make him really stand out. Plus, when someone thinks of Pacman they think of the good old wheel of cheese with a piece taken out. They could try to make him have a completely made up moveset but what would he do?


Also, Pre Akzeriuth Luke is way too annoyingly arrogant for my taste, I admit he is the best as an obvious, unique personality(considering the fact that he makes me want to punch him in the face, drawing emotions from the player is a sign of good character design) but I really hate him XD
 

Cless

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I couldn't dislike him seeing where he came from. He literally never left the manor his whole life. It's not his fault. Besides he was still kinda nice then. He was a huge **** during the ambassador thing. His personality was also extremely refreshing.
 
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