Funbot28
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Hello everyone, the Smash 4 community has been been up and arms about a couple of topics recently that have many players heated when these topics come up. Whether it be discussing how broken Bayonetta is in singles to complaining about the legality of Lylat due to the jank it always seems to bring. However, one topic that always seems to re-surge for discussion is the idea of Cloud's potency in Doubles, and whether or not his inclusion is healthy for the metagame as a whole.
Many deem Cloud to be too overpowered in the Doubles metagame due to his Limit moves being extremely effective in finishing off stocks after a teammate can help place the enemy in the right position. Whether it be Limit Cross Slash or Finishing Touch, both these moves can cover many situations and work great in tandem with a various amount of characters throw combos. The doubles metagame also aids Cloud in his recovery weakness as a good teammate can usually save him while offstage if they get a chance to, prolonging his sustainability.
This has started to become more of an issue as of late as many top players are coming to realize how necessary the inclusion of Cloud is required to be successful in the doubles metagame. This is evident as we see many top players who usually do not play Cloud (ie: Ally, Nairo, Mistake, Larry Lurr, etc...) switch to Cloud in order to have a chance to win. This has become so potent that even double Cloud teams have started to dominate the top 8 placings, with the most notable example being MKLeo and Komorokiri. The pair that won Shine 2017 Doubles without dropping a game with double Cloud.
Many people are advocating for either a 1 limit Cloud clause (basically allowing only 1 Cloud being placed on a team), or just a full out ban of the character from the format as a whole in order to prevent the format from dying (since entrants and viewership have both declined over time) The Spanish Smash community has tested a temporary ban of the character in one of their weeklies and from what I heard many players had enjoyed the experience without the big sword wielding threat in the metagame.
https://twitter.com/HikotsiaIII/status/899927297339387904
What are your thoughts, should Cloud be banned in Doubles? Should there be a 1 Cloud limit clause? Or do you just feel that nothing should change and we should just leave the format alone, leave your thoughts in this thread.
Note: Please note that this thread will be conducted under heavy moderation. Meaning that insufficient posts that do not add any healthy points to the discussion and useless one liners will be deleted and possibly led to infractions. Please remain civil.
Many deem Cloud to be too overpowered in the Doubles metagame due to his Limit moves being extremely effective in finishing off stocks after a teammate can help place the enemy in the right position. Whether it be Limit Cross Slash or Finishing Touch, both these moves can cover many situations and work great in tandem with a various amount of characters throw combos. The doubles metagame also aids Cloud in his recovery weakness as a good teammate can usually save him while offstage if they get a chance to, prolonging his sustainability.
This has started to become more of an issue as of late as many top players are coming to realize how necessary the inclusion of Cloud is required to be successful in the doubles metagame. This is evident as we see many top players who usually do not play Cloud (ie: Ally, Nairo, Mistake, Larry Lurr, etc...) switch to Cloud in order to have a chance to win. This has become so potent that even double Cloud teams have started to dominate the top 8 placings, with the most notable example being MKLeo and Komorokiri. The pair that won Shine 2017 Doubles without dropping a game with double Cloud.
Many people are advocating for either a 1 limit Cloud clause (basically allowing only 1 Cloud being placed on a team), or just a full out ban of the character from the format as a whole in order to prevent the format from dying (since entrants and viewership have both declined over time) The Spanish Smash community has tested a temporary ban of the character in one of their weeklies and from what I heard many players had enjoyed the experience without the big sword wielding threat in the metagame.
https://twitter.com/HikotsiaIII/status/899927297339387904
What are your thoughts, should Cloud be banned in Doubles? Should there be a 1 Cloud limit clause? Or do you just feel that nothing should change and we should just leave the format alone, leave your thoughts in this thread.
Note: Please note that this thread will be conducted under heavy moderation. Meaning that insufficient posts that do not add any healthy points to the discussion and useless one liners will be deleted and possibly led to infractions. Please remain civil.
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