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Wii Fit is also a utility and that has rep in Smash.Yeah but at least I think Miku has some more of things at her favour, I mean, she has videogames in consoles. I find the clip assistant more of an utility than a game in that sense.
I would prefer not having to explain something that’s already been explained before. It gets tiring.Would you mind providing reasoning not only for this, but also for why Miku and Wii Fit Trainer are acceptable where Clippy isn't?
The first reason is still contradictory to Miku and WFT, while the other two are specific to the context of that submission and it's requirement of a Nintendo console release. That condition is no longer relevant and thus cannot apply to Clippy anymore. This also seems to be running off of the logic I am submitting Clippy because it's funny, which isn't true. (and even if it were, it wouldn't invalidate Clippy as a pick anymore than any other comedy-centric character like Waluigi or Conker)Wario Wario Wario , your submission for Clippy was ultimately vetoed by the leadership staff based on the following criteria:
1. It isn’t an actual video game character as the rest of the roster.
2. From our perspective, the character works more as a cameo or acknowledgement within the one game it appeared in. It doesn’t have a central role within the game which was one of the requirements of the submission guidelines.
3. This appears to be an offshoot collection of the Microsoft games and entertainment programs which, again, goes against the submission guidelines.
You are free to resubmit a more appropriate character if you would like to but, sadly, we can’t in good faith allow Clippy. No matter how meme worthy it is.
For the rest of the thread, we will be concluding submissions this evening and then doing a discussion round until tomorrow concerning the submissions.
Stop.Here's your old Clippy reasoning
The first reason is still contradictory to Miku and WFT, while the other two are specific to the context of that submission and it's requirement of a Nintendo console release. That condition is no longer relevant and thus cannot apply to Clippy anymore. This also seems to be running off of the logic I am submitting Clippy because it's funny, which isn't true. (and even if it were, it wouldn't invalidate Clippy as a pick anymore than any other comedy-centric character like Waluigi or Conker)
Even if it's true that I personally don't like any of the two in particular, I think they both has more sense, at least they have history in Nintendo (in fact, one of them is an actual character from their own). Honestly I can't known if any of the things that you say are for the lolz or if you really want them but one thing it's true and it's that it looks that most of the current users of the thread aren't particulary interesed in that idea.(and even if it were, it wouldn't invalidate Clippy as a pick anymore than any other comedy-centric character like Waluigi or Conker)
"History with Nintendo" is honestly a pretty dumb reason for a third party character. Third parties should represent what their respective companies have brought to the table, not just what can be marketed to Nintendo fans the easiest.Even if it's true that I personally don't like any of the two in particular, I think they both has more sense, at least they have history in Nintendo (in fact, one of them is an actual character from their own). Honestly I can't known if any of the things that you say are for the lolz or if you really want them but one thing it's true and it's that it looks that most of the current users of the thread aren't particulary interesed in that idea.
How is Venus being an admin relevant to this discussion in any way? I can't be banned for "defending a talking office supply too hard in a make believe character list" - and if I could be banned for that, that would be very worrying. Anyway, I'm not gonna "let go" until my most wanted is accepted as a valid pick. He doesn't need to be in, he just needs to be allowed.You were asked to stop by the thread owner, who's also an admin. Learn to let it go.
You need to learn to let it go when you've been told it's not happening. What don't you get about "the team said no." Take the L and forget about it instead of acting so damn stubborn.How is Venus being an admin relevant to this discussion in any way? I can't be banned for "defending a talking office supply too hard in a make believe character list" - and if I could be banned for that, that would be very worrying. Anyway, I'm not gonna "let go" until my most wanted is accepted as a valid pick. He doesn't need to be in, he just needs to be allowed.
View attachment 352826 Kiryu Kazuma (Yakuza)
Type: Primary Attack, 2 Slots
Effect: Punch Attack ↑
- Puppet Fighter: (White Suit)
- Stage: Shopping District, Taiping Street
- Music Track: Akuma Stage (Super Street Fighter II Turbo) (New Remix)
- Match: Stamina (300 HP)
- The enemy has increased punch attack
- The enemy has increased throw power
- The enemy is attracted to battering items
- Item: Battering Items
I also submit Arle Nadja
Bonanza Bros. series
Ace class support - Sleep immunity
Stage: Battlefield Moray Towers (Night)
Song: Flying Battery Zone
Opponents: Blue Plumber Wario, Red Plumber Waluigi
Rules: Sleep floor, deku nuts and banana peels spawn often, hostile Klaptrap ATs spawn, foes become invisible
Goro Majima (Yakuza)
Type: Support Attack, 1 Slots
Effect: Home-Run Bat Eqquiped
- Puppet Fighter: (yellow-ish skin)
- Stage: Shopping District
- Music Track: Red Hot Fist
- Match: Stamina (150 HP)
- The enemy starts the battle with an enhanced Home-Run Bat
Also submitting Ringo, yeah, Goliso's submission really inspired me.
(Also the Puyo Puyo spirits would disconfirm Arle?, honeslty even if I don't know too much about Puyo Puyo I find she one of the best elections for another Sega rep alongside Kiryu who is getting an spirit anyway and the most biased election of Joe Musashi (and of course without counting Atlus' reps since with that then my first idea would be either the Demifiend or the Nahobino).
Landsknecht (Etrian Odyssey) [Artwork: Etrian Odyssey 4]
Type: Primary Attack, 3 Slots
Effect: Sword attack up
- Puppet Fighter: Link and Lucina
- Stage: Yggdrasil's Altar
- Music Track: Hand In Hand
- Match: 1 stock
- The enemies sword attacks are more powerful
- The enemy likes to use smash attacks
View attachment 352845 Spirit Name: NiGHTS (NiGHTS into Dreams)
Type: Support Attack, 1 Slot
Effect: Slumber Immunity
Puppet Fighter: Purple Greninja, Pink Villager and Default Villager
Stage: Fountain of Dreams
Song:Title Theme - Skylanders
- The enemy(Purple Greninja) is lightweight
- Defeat the main enemy to win
I tried to come up with a way that made this Spirit battle distinctly a Hornet fight and not just a random car fight, so that's why I added the POW blocks, to reference the force feedback that the steering wheel gave you on the Daytona USA arcade machines.
Hornet (Daytona USA)
Type: Primary Attack, 3 slots
Effect: Speed Up
- Puppet Fighter:
- Stage: Wuhu Island (Beach section)
- Song: Coconut Mall
- Match: Time (30 seconds)
- The opponent favors Side B's.
- POW blocks spawn often
- Defeat the opponent to win
Returning Spirit: Axel Stone
Returning spirit: Billy Hatcher
View attachment 352853 Beat (Jet Set Radio)
Type: Defense Support
Slots: Takes 1 Slot
Ability: Rainmaker Equiped
Puppet Fighter: Inkling (Blue Male)
Stage: Moray Towers
Music Track: Ink Me Up
- Slippery Floor
- The enemy has increased speed
- The enemy runs away from you
- The enemy favours special attacks
Launch ones (I will be adding a few more once I put it up on the front page to even some things out)Alright lads, it's spirit time!
View attachment 352852
Alex Kidd (Alex Kidd) [Artwork: Alex Kidd in Miracle World DX]
Type: Primary Attack
Effect: Hand attacks up
- Puppet Fighter: (Default suit & Monkey Hat)
- Stage: Mushroom Kingdom (64)
- Song: Green Hill Zone - Sonic the Hedgehog
- Match: 3 Stock
- The enemy favors Smash attacks
- Defeat the opponent to win
- The enemy loves to jump
Character Submission Round
Alright, so, as I mentioned earlier, we will be jumping into our submissions!
Our next character will indeed be a Western based character which will join
Minecraft SteveRatchet & Clank as a western rep. That being said, I do need to explain a few ground rules that are needed to keep our Season 2 DLC balanced but also make submissions fun and engaging.
1) The character can be from Microsoft and Activision. Playstation/Sony is obviously out.
2) The character can't have a selectable weapon mechanic like Ratchet. Having two characters who has the same gimmick and both being Western picks wouldn't do well for diversifying the roster. Having another swordie is also sort of cringe. Let's try diversifying the roster a bit.
3) The character can't be identifiable by Orange, Turquoise, or Dark Red. We made an exception for Sol Badguy and attributed Lloyd to turquoise. That being said, I don't like doing that. Please pay attention to our color schemes.
4) We are lacking a female rep. I don't want to limit submissions since I had backlash before for limiting gender but incorporating a female fighter would be a huge plus; especially considering our next submission will be a first party character.
5) Please explain why this character should be included. We don't need massive write ups like we have had before but having one liners like "Lol because for lolz" or "It would be cool" aren't really acceptable. Do try to put some effort as to why this character should be included.
6) The character should of been on a Nintendo console and should have enough popularity/legacy to add to the DLC roster.
7) Indie is fine.
I look forward to our submissions!
Ahri- League of Legends (Riot Games/Tencent)
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Why League of Legends?
Because it's still one of the most popular games in the world! According to Twitch, LoL is the 2nd most popular game being watched at the time of writing. It's also one of the biggest e-sports in the world, if not the biggest. Not to mention, Tencent owns Riot Games and was a major contributor in getting the Switch into China. They also made another MOBA game together, that being Pokemon Unite.
Why Ahri specifically?
Ahri is one of the most popular champions in LoL, and unlike the vast majority of characters in LoL her moveset would translate pretty well into Smash. She's also one of the most promoted champions, being in spin off games like Ruined King, Wild Rift, Legends of Runeterra, and she's even in the LoL KPop band K/DA(yes they have that.). Ahri is extremely recognizable, especially in the east.
While i would love Doom Slayer, having two gunners from western game seems overkill to me.Alright, the time has come and so have I impressive isn't a Devil May Cry submission
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------WHAT IS DOOM?
IN THE FIRST AGE, IN THE FIRST BATTLE, WHEN THE SHADOWS FIRST LENGTHENED, ONE STOOD....
BURNED BY THE EMBERS OF ARMAGEDDON, HIS SOUL BLISTED BY THE FIRES OF HELL AND TAINTED BEYOND ASCENSION, HE CLOSE THE PATH OF PERPETUAL TORNMENT.
IN HIS RAVENOUS HATRED HE FOUND NO PEACE, AND WITH BOILING BLOOD HE SCOURED THE UMBRAL PAINS SEEKING VENGEANCE AGAINST THE DARK LORDS WHO HAD WRONG HIM.
HE WORE THE CROWN OF THE NIGHT SENTINELS AND THOSE THAT TASTED THE BITE OF HIS SWORD NAMED HIM....
THE DOOM SLAYER
First released in 1993 on the MS-DOS, DOOM quickly became a landmark title and helped pioneer the FPS genre. With its direct sequel the following year, DOOM II: Hell on Earth, building upon the original, the former Nintendo 64 exclusive DOOM 64 in 1997, the alternative take on the franchise in 2004, DOOM 3, and the recent reboots of DOOM in 2016 and DOOM Eternal in 2020, the series has been far from lacking.
DOOM history with Nintendo isn't lacking either, the first two games have ports for Super Nintendo, Game Boy Advance (both of these with censorship tho) and more recently Nintendo Switch alongside all the other games of the series. The franchise even had his own exclusive game for the Nintendo 64 with DOOM 64 that it wasn't until a few years ago that appeared in another console that doesn't belong to Nintendo. The ports of DOOM 2016 and Eternal are also well knowed for how well they run for be in an "inferior" device in comparison to Playstation, Xbox or PC.
WHY THE DOOM SLAYER?
WHY NOT?, seriously, the father of what we known has the modern FPS's, the genre doesn't have a proper representation in the game and it's the most likely option of all the posibilites (maybe just tying with the Master Chief and Gordon Freeman). The Doom Slayer was one of the most popular choices for newcomers from the West, and it's a very recognizable character not just in the Nintendo fanbase but in the videogame community in general. He would also bring an interesing playstyle being sort of a heavy all-rounder character with strengths in far and close distance apart of a breath of fresh air in terms of visuals changing from the cartoonish Ratche & Clank and the anime-esque Lloyd and Sol.
Also come on, this character like Sol is one of those that a lot of people just want it for the bangers he could bring to the game both from the classic and modern games. Here are some of my favorites has examples:
Has I said before, the Doom Slayer would be considered a character that excels in both far and close combat having various projectiles and huge strenght in terms of normals. Has drawbacks he is heavy, something that it's good for tank damage but it also leaves him pretty susceptible to combos. He will also have the same problem of Kazuya with his very low jumps, requiring him to use his second jump to reach the Battlefield platform.
In terms of special moves one of the most used mechanics when someone tries to make a moveset for the Slayer is the Weapon Whee-
BUT THE WEAPON WHEEL MECHANIC ISN'T ALLOWED!
And you are right!, but, why he should need it?, I mean, I would like to have the mechanic but isn't like if he can't work with that. You can assign some normal/aerial/smash moves to some of his weapons and use the main ones for special moves. In fact, he can just don't have any special gimmick, if he needs to have one, maybe he could have access to stronger weapons via ammo that can be obtained attacking, but that would be too forced so I think having the Slayer gimmick-less is fine.
BUT DOOM IS SO GOREY AND IS THE ESSENCE OF THE GAME!
Maybe it's true that the DOOM series is violent, but that doesn't mean that the essence of the game. Has someone who plays DOOM and talked with other people who play DOOM most of them and I agree that the most important thing in DOOM is the action (not necessary blood and gore). Even if we talk about guns, his weapons in modern games have a more sci-fi aesthetic with more or less the exception of the Super Shotgun (that even then, I don't think a shotgun with a grappling hook it's too realistic).
- The Doom Slayer is an icon of the FPS and of the gaming industry in general.
- He could bring a fun playstyle with the use of his variety of weapons and close combat attacks.
- He doesn't need the Weapon Wheel mechanic to work.
- DOOM has a long history with Nintendo (and so Microsoft too).RIP AND TEARS UNTIL IT'S DONE
Shoot I submitted the Presidium stage how'd I forget this oneCommander ShepardCommander Shepard is the main character of the Mass Effect franchise. Mass Effect and Bioware's games in general are some of the most influential Western RPGs helping define the genre.
Now you may be saying "Commander Shepard is a western gun wielder" and while they would use guns they also have a wide variety of Biotic and Tech abilities in addition to their weaponry. They can even get up close and personal with their Omni-blade. Who knows maybe the Normandy's crew could even show up. as Mass Effect has a large focus on squad tactics.
In terms of Nintendo
Well, there's gonna be a bit more overlap in this case, especislly given they're both Western. I'm still debating if I'm gonna submit, but I feel we need a bit more diversity in this case.I mean what's the wrong thing with that, if we can have two swords, why not two guns?
I mean, we were recommended against sword users, guns just happen to be one of the more popular weapons in games as an alternative to swords. (Also this being a western rep, with shooters making up a larger portion of the western picks compared to the Japanese picks).We only just started and most of the submissions are gun users...