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Super Awesome Wario Advanced Technique and Combo Thread! Defensive Tire Play!!!
- Thread starter Pwneroni
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| Big D |
Smash Master
Hitting someone with a tire can set up a guaranteed footstool in the air. A fastfall nair keeps them in that animation. Still trying to find setups.
Bite > RAR dthrow tire could be on setup like on Falco.
Bite > RAR dthrow tire could be on setup like on Falco.
PieDisliker
Smash Lord
Another 50 ft bike toss (with bouncing!)
So I just found out that on the left side of Halberd's ship, when you're in between the boarder (of the edge) and the main stage where you're barely touching the boarder, and you throw the bike upwards that the bike will bounce to the middle of the stage (and not land on the platform, either.) I couldn't get it to work on the right side.
So I just found out that on the left side of Halberd's ship, when you're in between the boarder (of the edge) and the main stage where you're barely touching the boarder, and you throw the bike upwards that the bike will bounce to the middle of the stage (and not land on the platform, either.) I couldn't get it to work on the right side.
Can you not get it by throwing it downward?
PieDisliker
Smash Lord
No, I can't. I'll admit I didn't try dthrow at first, because uthrow's so much more fun to me. xD
It's surprising how many amazing bike tosses we can make in this game.
It's surprising how many amazing bike tosses we can make in this game.
Is the effect still there regardless of whether you do a "hard" or "soft" throw?
PieDisliker
Smash Lord
Actually, there is a difference.
A hard throw will have it only bounce once and not as far, while a soft throw will have it bounce twice and go further. The hard throw doesn't quite get to the distance of the platform while the soft throw makes it under the platform.
A hard throw will have it only bounce once and not as far, while a soft throw will have it bounce twice and go further. The hard throw doesn't quite get to the distance of the platform while the soft throw makes it under the platform.
Geerz
Smash Cadet
I have an idea for a section, possibly tires in doubles? I'll look into how effective they are.
Lord Chair
Smash Master
broken in 2v1 for the rest not any more impressive
KenniSpam!
Smash Master
hey guys are there any good guides/tips/videos to doing warios dthrow cg?
Deathfox30
Smash Journeyman
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I'm not sure if there's any guides but it's pretty easy to do.hey guys are there any good guides/tips/videos to doing warios dthrow cg?
Do a down throw then hold back on the control stick and as soon as you see him start to stand up after he sits on them tap grab and quickly let both buttons return to neutral. This will buffer a turn around grab.
If you do nothing you were too early. If you shield you held grab too long. If you walk you held the control stick too long.
KenniSpam!
Smash Master
o ok thanks ill try it
Pwneroni
Smash Lord
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Yeah in the Wario AT Thread (this one actually!), there is a detailed guide by Fiction on how to do the Wario buffered dthrow chaingrab. It's in the OP!hey guys are there any good guides/tips/videos to doing warios dthrow cg?
KenniSpam!
Smash Master
alright cool. im able to do it against wolf/dk, but i cant do it against falco at all. is there something different about his?
edit: i've been using wario for about 2 weeks now and he's been doing either the same or better as my sheik/mk so i'll probably be legitamately picking him up
+1 wario main
edit: i've been using wario for about 2 weeks now and he's been doing either the same or better as my sheik/mk so i'll probably be legitamately picking him up
+1 wario main
hmm if you say you can handle it against wolf, then you should also master it against falco. maybe the wolfmain is just stupid and doesnt shine out of it.alright cool. im able to do it against wolf/dk, but i cant do it against falco at all. is there something different about his?
edit: i've been using wario for about 2 weeks now and he's been doing either the same or better as my sheik/mk so i'll probably be legitamately picking him up
+1 wario main
PieDisliker
Smash Lord
Copied from my post in Krystedez's bike thread.
Info on the Chopper Split:
The Banana usually disappears after 1 bike ride off of the stage, so if missed, it's unlikely that you'll be able to do it again with the same banana. Unless, the Diddy has just pulled out the banana. It can be attempted twice max for one banana.
You can control the direction the banana goes in. Let's say that Wario is biking from left to right. In this case, if you hit it on the left side, the banana will fly towards the right side and upwards. If on the right side, the banana will fly backwards and to the left, upwards. This can mean that you can have a banana fly offstage, or onto a platform. Timing is tricky, however.
The banana is still in Diddy's control after the Chopper Split is activated.
Wario is stunned after this! He can't use an attack, special, item toss, or airdodge until he hits the ground! He gets knocked in the same direction he hit the banana. If he hits on the left side, he goes left. If he hits on the right (and he's moving left) then he'll go right and turn around.
Does not work if he's biking in the air. (We can't get gimped from this!)
Does not work if the platform is too high (BF or Brinstar's top platform.)
Does work if you bike from another platform.
Does work if it's on a tilting or moving platform.
Info on the Chopper Split:
The Banana usually disappears after 1 bike ride off of the stage, so if missed, it's unlikely that you'll be able to do it again with the same banana. Unless, the Diddy has just pulled out the banana. It can be attempted twice max for one banana.
You can control the direction the banana goes in. Let's say that Wario is biking from left to right. In this case, if you hit it on the left side, the banana will fly towards the right side and upwards. If on the right side, the banana will fly backwards and to the left, upwards. This can mean that you can have a banana fly offstage, or onto a platform. Timing is tricky, however.
The banana is still in Diddy's control after the Chopper Split is activated.
Wario is stunned after this! He can't use an attack, special, item toss, or airdodge until he hits the ground! He gets knocked in the same direction he hit the banana. If he hits on the left side, he goes left. If he hits on the right (and he's moving left) then he'll go right and turn around.
Does not work if he's biking in the air. (We can't get gimped from this!)
Does not work if the platform is too high (BF or Brinstar's top platform.)
Does work if you bike from another platform.
Does work if it's on a tilting or moving platform.
Krystedez
Awaken the Path
I'll reveal one after me and BPx employ it together at SiiS6
TheRealBobMan
Smash Rookie
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Did anybody bother to test the tire lock I mentioned probably over a year ago? Just like a sourspot Fair, you can "nudge" someone that misses a tech with a tire, and if you use some of the techniques mentioned here to reduce the amount of time it takes to reset tire hitboxes (like grabbing them with no lag and then canceling that into a throw when you're airborne), it should be possible to tire lock the same way Falco can laser lock.
And then you can work on setting up missed techs with footstools. You can footstool out of Dair at some percentages, or tire throw > footstool, so.... get to work?
Also, I'm pretty sure it should be possible to set up some mean gimps on some characters with it.
And then you can work on setting up missed techs with footstools. You can footstool out of Dair at some percentages, or tire throw > footstool, so.... get to work?
Also, I'm pretty sure it should be possible to set up some mean gimps on some characters with it.
PieDisliker
Smash Lord
| Big D |
Smash Master
Wario's Tire Lock
Frame / Input
00 : 00 input jump
07 : 07 First time you can dthrow the tire
15 : 15 Tire hits (assuming frame 7 input)
16 : 27 airborn
28 : 36 input Up air
44 : 44 Upair connects (assuming input of frame 36)
45 : 53 Hitlag
54 : 57 hitstun/lag
58 : 68 Buffer Jump/hitsun/lag
69 : 79 airborn
80 : 80 footstool
109 : 109 Hits floor
110 : 138 This is your window to hit them with the tire or else they will get up
139 : 176 Your window to hit them again to continue the lock
This is an ideal tire lock
A couple of things that should be noted
Tires have a combined 26 frames of hitstun, their shield comes up at 27 frames
If downthrown right next to the opponent, Wario has a 12 frame advantage
Upair has 44 frames of hitstun and hitlag
You have 19 Frames
you have an 8 frame window to input Up air for a true combo
Glide tossing with Wario requires 1 frame for shield, 1 frame for roll, and the next frame for the throw, making it a 1-2 frame window
This is humanly possible, I have done it to PR'd People, they say that they don't know how it happens, too late to react.
Even if your off by a few frames, if the other person doesn't see it coming, I doubt they'll buffer an airdodge.
I have tested this many times with humans to figure out if this was a true combo set up, and it is.
Frame / Input
00 : 00 input jump
07 : 07 First time you can dthrow the tire
15 : 15 Tire hits (assuming frame 7 input)
16 : 27 airborn
28 : 36 input Up air
44 : 44 Upair connects (assuming input of frame 36)
45 : 53 Hitlag
54 : 57 hitstun/lag
58 : 68 Buffer Jump/hitsun/lag
69 : 79 airborn
80 : 80 footstool
109 : 109 Hits floor
110 : 138 This is your window to hit them with the tire or else they will get up
139 : 176 Your window to hit them again to continue the lock
This is an ideal tire lock
A couple of things that should be noted
Tires have a combined 26 frames of hitstun, their shield comes up at 27 frames
If downthrown right next to the opponent, Wario has a 12 frame advantage
Upair has 44 frames of hitstun and hitlag
You have 19 Frames
you have an 8 frame window to input Up air for a true combo
Glide tossing with Wario requires 1 frame for shield, 1 frame for roll, and the next frame for the throw, making it a 1-2 frame window
This is humanly possible, I have done it to PR'd People, they say that they don't know how it happens, too late to react.
Even if your off by a few frames, if the other person doesn't see it coming, I doubt they'll buffer an airdodge.
I have tested this many times with humans to figure out if this was a true combo set up, and it is.
Krystedez
Awaken the Path
No name for this yet but, tentative:
1000mg of Vitamin C(hopper)
1. Send opponent off stage at an awkward downward angle.
2. Pick up bike at ledge
3. Throw bike in an arc (light toss, press A) or straight forward (C-stick forward) at opponent
4. If bike connects, jump over immediately to your opponent
5. Tap jump button like crazy, to footstool their face while they're being hit by the bike, adding more hits then usual, and disallowing them to DI as effectively out of it
6. ???
7. FART/LAUGH
1000mg of Vitamin C(hopper)
1. Send opponent off stage at an awkward downward angle.
2. Pick up bike at ledge
3. Throw bike in an arc (light toss, press A) or straight forward (C-stick forward) at opponent
4. If bike connects, jump over immediately to your opponent
5. Tap jump button like crazy, to footstool their face while they're being hit by the bike, adding more hits then usual, and disallowing them to DI as effectively out of it
6. ???
7. FART/LAUGH
GOL | 482 | JSalt
The Folse Deity
I could totally see you going to do that, only it's a Marth, and when you get to step 5, they upB and you get stagespiked. 
Sup guys.
Sup guys.
Krystedez
Awaken the Path
Mmm. I guess if I was really low and DI'd it wrong. Thanks for the tidbit, I'll keep that in mind next time I face a marth and do it.
could you please make a video of that description? i cant imagine how that should be look like
btw guys i see nobody posted this technique this is really useful against snake/ddd and maybe other heavy characters.
Really easy to do like the cg on falco!
Wario DThrow to Buffered Reverse DTilt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UmdbvFiJOE
Really easy to do like the cg on falco!
Wario DThrow to Buffered Reverse DTilt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UmdbvFiJOE
Good damage and positioning. We need percentage numbers!
It's definitely guaranteed on Dedede. DMG used to remind everyone of that all the time. 
Pwneroni
Smash Lord
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Sweet! Definitely gotta practice that, it can really give you a positional advantage. I think it would especially be beneficial against and 
because they are slower in the air. The risk would be of course messing up and missing your dtilt. Wario's Dtilt does however clash with Snake's Ftilt, maybe even his Utilt. Against D3's grab you are hosed.
and because they are slower in the air. The risk would be of course messing up and missing your dtilt. Wario's Dtilt does however clash with Snake's Ftilt, maybe even his Utilt. Against D3's grab you are hosed.