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I guess we will have to wait and see how they handle Min Min in WoL. If they replace her spirit battle with a battle to unlock her then Isaac or any spirited/At'd/Mii costumed character would get the same treatment.
The thing is, Min Min doesn't exist in the Spirit Battle beyond the Spirit; Isaac, on the other hand, pops up in multiple battles as an Assist trophy, so it would take a bit more effort to work around that, especially if we're going down the route of "Fighters cannot summon themselves as Assists."
The board would most likely just not have the isaac spirit fight.
What I was thinking of is what happens when you go after Golden Sun Spirits that have Isaac trophy while playing as Isaac himself. Chances are they'll change if you buy the DLC like with the Cuphead Spirits, but it's still something to think about.
Similar to cuphead yeah, and if you're playing as isaac , the enemy isaac will just be a different color alt. That's my guess anyway.
I think it's less of a limit and more about the probabilities, a single upgrade is more likely than 2 or more. Sure, it's possible, but the chances are much lower.
The Min Min battle would still give you the equippable Spirit. As for how you unlock her as playable, the most likely thing would be that there's no unlocking battle at all like the rest of the DLC characters and you just recieve a pop-up message, wether she's unlocked after you finish her Spirit battle or she's unlocked with the exact same methods as the previous 6 characters.
Sure, but that still has to do with the characters themselves, their status as Assist Trophies has no bearing on it. For example, I only think two Assists are incredibly likely to be upgraded (Isaac and Waluigi) but not because those two are Assists, but because they have a massive fanbase and Isaac specifically possibly has games to tie in to.
Well they would easily change it. Either they remove the AT and Mii costume to put Isaac instead, or leave the AT, and when defeated Isaac as a fighter spawns.
Personally I feel like just the fact alone that we were blindsided by the first fighter being from Arms should be giving people a lot more pause before they start heavily believing that any particular character is getting in. I don't think I'd say I was even anywhere near 50% sure of any particular characters chances right now.
But that doesn't mean a Gen 8 Pokemon rep can't come later though because it can.
I never said that it meant that. I was just stating what happened today since I saw some people talking about it in this thread earlier.
I know, I just think a Gen 8 Pokemon is likely to be DLC.
I cannot say spirit and ATs/pokeballs/bosses are the same. Spirits are basically high-resolution images that were drawn by the original games, while the NPCs need to be created with time, effort and budget.
I can clearly say Geno isn't comparable to Min Min when it comes to spirit promotion. Alloring spirit promotion is still not garuntee to a specific character from the ocean of canddiates.
Indeed. People have this idea of this Pass being full of fan-requested characters. That didn't happen in the first pass. This is why I say, if there is one AT upgrade, there won't likely be another. I'm sure Nintendo has promotional characters lined up. We're not going to get Isaac, Geno, Waluigi all in this pass. Sorry.
If I'm interpreting this correctly, you believe that because they spent time and effort to create the Assist Trophies, they wouldn't want to "waste" that effort by upgrading the character. I understand that viewpoint, but I think it's flawed. It's well-known that Sakurai tries to make the most complete game he can, with no consideration for DLC as the game is being developed. Afterwards, he then selects DLC based on what Nintendo wants and what he believes to be feasible. Fighters Pass 1 was a little different, because the characters were decided before the game was released, meaning "promotions" weren't likely because they could've happened during the Pass and a Min Min or Isaac Spirit missing would've tipped people off. However, Fighters Pass Vol. 2 was decided after the game released, meaning they don't have to worry about tipping people off with base-game content. I believe that Sakurai went into Ultimate's development with the intention of adding as much as he could, and characters like Isaac couldn't quite make the base-game roster, so he became an Assist Trophy, because that was the next-best thing Sakurai could do and Nintendo didn't request him for FP1. However, if Nintendo requests Isaac for FP2, Sakurai no longer has to worry about time constraints or whatever left Isaac off the roster initially because he'll be devoting his time to the character. And since presumably he knows that Isaac has a massive fanbase, he'd be jumping at the chance to please the fans.
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mentioned. Chrom is both a playable character and in Robin's Final Smash and Victory screen. So if the devs weren't bothered by the possibility of Chrom beating up Chrom (with the same color, since Robin's FS uses default Chrom), they wouldn't care about a summonable NPC that only sometimes appears out of an item that they can disable.
if we're using the assumption that NIntendo don't mind to spend budget when they really want to do a character, that could be used to explain they are willing to do a whole new character, not necessarily promoting the NPCs.
It could be either we treat this as a special case, or be a reason why fans can ask NIntendo to fix Robin's final Smash to avoid the conflict. Otherwise it'd be same with Spring Man being both cameos in final smash and assist trohpy, this point of view doesn't help too much for new fighter argument.Additionally, we've seen characters that can fill multiple roles in the game, as
You've missed my point about budget. My point was that it would be cheaper to upgrade Assists because some assets have already been made. And I never said promoting NPCs would be easy, I just said it would be easier than starting from scratch.
But that's a false dichotomy, there's more than two options here. You saying that characters should be implemented in non-playable roles, like Bowser as a stage boss, is all fine and good, but acting like the only options are "everyone gets a secondary role" and "nobody can possibly ever have more than one role" is, quite frankly, stupid. As we see in the game, characters hold more than one role, such as my previous example Chrom, King K. Rool, who also has a Mii Costume, characters like Link, Samus, Captain Falcon, and more, who also have Mii Costumes, and hell we even have a precedent for playable characters having a non-playable role and being replaced under certain conditions: Toon Link's role on Spirit Train is just that - a cameo that can be replaced.
On a lot of more recent polls and lists, Isaac is not as high because those results are skewed by people expecting big-ticket third parties and Isaac's status as an AT. But his support was loudest at a point when it arguably mattered the most, which was during the Smash Ballot (the Ballot doesn't get mentioned as much anymore in speculation but it almost certainly still holds a good deal of weight).
I disagree. It is meaningful as it is one of many factors that can skew it. It didn't for Spring Man because the ARMS director specifically chose Min Min over him. There is no such situation I see where that happens with Isaac.
I'm still very doubtful of his chance.
That's a clever thought.
I agree with all of this. I think third parties are less likely on this pass, and since the start, third parties of western studio even less. Maybe Rayman and Steve have a chance, but I hardly disagree in the chance of Doom Slayer/Dovahkiin and a Halo rep. Others are even less likely.
At least five more, according to Sakurai, what makes me think they might pull up a bonus character at the end. Ultimately it comes down to waiting to see what we can expect with this fighters pass, hopefully more 1st party this time around which obviously is good for us, also if Camelot is really working on something Golden Sun related we could get a tie in with that, either remakes or 4th installment.
They actually did this with the Mii costume.
Is there a new game, or remake, or a rerelease happening? I genuinely don't know, which is why I'm asking. I mean I'm not trying to be argumentative, it's just that same logic applies to any Nintendo character. What makes Isaac stand out? Is the fanbase large enough to even warrant a rerelease of the Golden Sun 1&2? I want it to be, I just haven't seen it in my experience. Most people around me who I assume would have heard about it, haven't. Even the subreddit is... modest.
Fair enough I suppose. I'd heard he'd scored high, is there any idea how high exactly? My only argument regarding Byleth is, at the very least, they were a pretty clear advertisement for Three Houses, that series's most popular game to date with TONS of fans. Nintendo likely cares far more about that THAT than whether or not fans want swordies. Does Isaac have that going for him, does Sakurai even care about him?
If you start counting factors that could be important if precedent changes we'll be here all day.
Several insiders as of late have been claiming that Golden Sun is getting a new installment, and NateDrake on resetera has also claimed that Mario Golf is not happening. Plus many other insiders have been just randomly talking about Golden Sun for whatever reason.
Err, what's this about several insiders talking about a new installment to GS happening? This is the first I'm hearing this...
Well hey if all that's true then count me hyped! As long as there has been consistent pressure applied and people have been making their voices (respectfully and through proper channels) heard somewhere that's awesome! Christ I want Isaac so bad, and that's all awesome news.
Yes that's my point, precedent hasn't changed. There's no indication having existing assets is a factor in selecting characters.
Again, I disagree. This is absolutely something to consider, even if it's not a solely defining detail. Namely, it's one of the factors that would push Isaac above Felix or Matthew. Not the only one, but at least one of them.
Why is it something to consider? Because it could happen? Countless things with some logical grounding could happen, that all affect different characters in different ways, but we can't just pick and choose the unproven hypotheticals we want to mean something.
