Sunrise Up Again! Isaac for Smash Ultimate DLC

SirCamp

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My top 10 (which I'm sure it won't match at all with the new dlc characters). I don't have any specific order, except Isaac, which is the one I care most.
1) Isaac.
I don't think I have to say anything about him. Great potential moveset, good design (but I would like more a mix with his DD design in terms of clothes).
2) Andy/Any AW character.
I hate the strategic games but I comprehend the legacy Wars has. Even if the series has never sold a lot (none of this entries hit 1 million), it was active for 20 years, even if half of them were generic entries. IMO, it deserves a spot (and a new opportunity). Also, I visualize him as a minion control character, with using NES soldiers as a special attacks, like King Dedede in Brawl, but with more control and more useful.
3) Dixie Kong.
Using Diddy Kong as a model, she can be easy to do. She could be an easy semi-clone, changing the special attacks to be more original and relatable of her appearances.
4) Any Zelda character.
Just anyone. Ideally, I would love one Zora (Mipha) and one Goron (Idc which one) just to represent the most important races in Zelda games. But if they included Skull Kid or Vaati, I wouldn't complain at all.
5) Bomberman
The only 3rd party character I wouldn't raise my eyebrows and it's feasible to be a playable character. I'm not fond of its games, but Bomberman is a series heavily associated with Nintendo since it was born.
6) Any Rhythm Heaven character, except Karate joe.
Like Golden Sun (well, even more I think), Rhythm Heaven/Paradise has a strong presence as a Nintendo franchise and has been successful with great sales.
I would enjoy more Chorus kids, Marshall or Rhythm girl, and a rhythm attack character would be interesting (but it would be horribly in the current net). Karate Joe, apart from being ugly visually, it could be a brawler character, which there're a lot of them in the current roster.
7) Ray MK
Mii Gunner is basically him in terms of moveset lol Also, I like his design.
8) Masked Man (Mother)
Yeah, a strange pick. But I don't like Porky at all and MM would be another villain and it could be an interesting character combining PSI energy, a light sword and a pistol/cannon beam.
9) Elma - Rex with Pyra/Mythra.
A character with a double swords with guns with a great mobility? Yes, please (though it would be propably like Bayonetta) I prefer Elma over Rex with Pyra and Mythra, but the other ones are also cool and I wouldn't complain about it if they included. Also, they're more recent and more popular.
10) Any ARMS character.
The last one. A "pure fighting" game (even with its gimmicks) which was one thing Nintendo lacked since... Joy Mech Fight? Normally I would agree with Spring Man, but Min Min or Twintelle would be better, because I find Spring Man a bit boring, design wise. But he's the mascot, so I guess he would be first, with Ribbon Girl as an echo and/or costume.

But, as I said before, I think they'll go for the 3rd parties for the new characters, like season pass, with maybe one or two promotional Nintendo picks, which it's a shame for me, considering I like more Nintendo characters picks.
Oh wow , I just realized your list is basically the same as mine. Or at least the first half of it. But the second half are also characters I thought about (barring Masked Man tbh) but didn't quite make the cut for me. The only Nintendo character that is missing for me from your list is Captain Syrup, but she's a fairly niche pick tbh lol so that's no surprise really. Also yay Bomberman! =D
 

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Is this true? I am not knowledgeable on how these things work. I just always thought (and got the impression from others) that Camelot was working on Mario sports titles because that's what Nintendo was wanting, so thus there was working with Nintendo for those properties.
I'm sure Nintendo approaches them to do some titles, at least it's that what happens with Mario Golf/Mario Tennis.
In this famitsu interview ( https://www.famitsu.com/news/201806/28160050.html ), if you use google translate (yeah, it sucks, but it's the only way), in the first question it is said the executive producer (Izuno) was the man who contacted with Camelot to do a new Tennis game.
Regarding Mario&Luigi, I also think it's Nintendo which approached Alphadream to do the Mario&Luigi games. In this interview, it seems Nintendo chose the ecosystem, for example.
The "royalties" for using a Nintendo IP I think it's more to the big publishers like Koei (Warriors game) or Ubisoft (MarioxRabbid), for example. They publish those titles in their areas (Ubisoft in the west and Koei in Japan), so it makes sense.

Anyways, the speculation for my part about Camelot doing a Mario RPG it's just that, a speculation. I think it makes sense: a more established IP, less risky, more people could jump to do a Mario game rather than a Golden Sun game, they could use some of the models of Mario Tennis, more market, etc.

But obviously, I don't want to happen. And it's a big "if".
Oh wow , I just realized your list is basically the same as mine. Or at least the first half of it. But the second half are also characters I thought about (barring Masked Man tbh) but didn't quite make the cut for me. The only Nintendo character that is missing for me from your list is Captain Syrup, but she's a fairly niche pick tbh lol so that's no surprise really. Also yay Bomberman! =D
Masked Man is just a niche pick, it's just the concept that I like, and also for being an antagonist, but it's the "random pick" that I have and I know it won't happen.
In the end, for me it's just to have the more Nintendo middle-important characters rather than 3rd party characters, or those being really linked to Nintendo platforms.
 
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Add me to support list. I liked the first two Golden Sun games and I really like Isaac, I was hoping he would make it to the base roster with a bit of luck.

I think it's complicated but if there's a second fighter pass I believe he has good chances for joining the roster.
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Anyways, the speculation for my part about Camelot doing a Mario RPG it's just that, a speculation. I think it makes sense: a more established IP, less risky, more people could jump to do a Mario game rather than a Golden Sun game, they could use some of the models of Mario Tennis, more market, etc.

But obviously, I don't want to happen. And it's a big "if".
Except that doing a Mario RPG right now is a decently large risk for them? Even if the market is empty, it doesn't mean Camelot's going to just decide to do something they've never done before
 
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Man, major respect for continuing to keep this list updated, even so long after the page was first started.
 

Hydewell

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Except that doing a Mario RPG right now is a decently large risk for them? Even if the market is empty, it doesn't mean Camelot's going to just decide to do something they've never done before
Why is more risky than Golden Sun?
They cannot decide what projects want to do. They can suggest, but in the end is Nintendo who decides if they do a Mario Golf, a Mario Tennis, a Golden Sun game or whatever Nintendo wants. And if they don't want to do those games, Nintendo doesn't contract them and, considering the Camelot gold days basically ended 15 years ago, Camelot would be really screwed.
 

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Why is more risky than Golden Sun?
They cannot decide what projects want to do. They can suggest, but in the end is Nintendo who decides if they do a Mario Golf, a Mario Tennis, a Golden Sun game or whatever Nintendo wants. And if they don't want to do those games, Nintendo doesn't contract them and, considering the Camelot gold days basically ended 15 years ago, Camelot would be really screwed.
No, that's not how it works at all. Camelot is an independent studio; Nintendo literally cannot force them to make a specific game. They can suggest or pitch to Camelot, but it's up to Camelot to decide whether or not to do it. This is why when Nintendo asked Camelot to make a new Golden Sun after TLA right away, they were allowed not to. They were not contractually obligated.
 
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Have you guys seen this guys stuff, he's been recreating a bunch of other psynergy spells and doing a really good job at it
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Hydewell

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No, that's not how it works at all. Camelot is an independent studio; Nintendo literally cannot force them to make a specific game. They can suggest or pitch to Camelot, but it's up to Camelot to decide whether or not to do it. This is why when Nintendo asked Camelot to make a new Golden Sun after TLA right away, they were allowed not to. They were not contractually obligated.
Sure, but if Nintendo asks to do a Mario RPG (or a Mario Golf) and they don't want to do that, they won't contract them.
They aren't contractually obligated, but if they don't have any publisher (other than Nintendo) behind them, they might not be able to survive by themselves, because they aren't that big like Arc Systems or Kodansha, and they don't have the property of any valuable IP.
So that's the paradox. They are technically an independent studio, but at the same time, they aren't. They can refuse to work with Nintendo, but that could cost their jobs.
As you said, when they finished TLA and Mario Tennis games, they chose to work with Capcom instead of Nintendo. They were a really good studio with benefits and publishers were interested on them. Nowadays? I really doubt it. It could happen some publisher wants them, obviously, but their games has drop a bit of their quality.
 
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Camelot doing a Mario RPG? Am not against the idea or anything, seems like a good thing to try something safe with the RPG genre for them again, but I don't think it's very likely honestly. If anything, they would first probably touch the Donkey Kong franchise, as they already said they would be interested in working on a DK64 like game or sequel.

Mario RPG could be revived through a remake of the original SNES game honestly, if they are taking a total safe approach with it, this would or probably be the most successful way. Square would be willing to lend a hand with it too am sure. RPG remakes are a big thing on the Switch now, especially from that era in time. And I think Golden Sun getting a remake is also highly probable because of it.

In MY ideal situation, Camelot works on both a DK128, and a remake of the original GBA Golden Sun games at the same time with the help of Nintendo themselves, or Retro Studios for Donkey Kong, and another dedicated RPG studio for Golden Sun, again with Nintendo overseeing both projects.

Both would be great for Camelot, because I can't think of them being 100% satisfied with making the same old Mario Tennis and Golf for every Nintendo system.
 

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Sure, but if Nintendo asks to do a Mario RPG (or a Mario Golf) and they don't want to do that, they won't contract them.
They aren't contractually obligated, but if they don't have any publisher (other than Nintendo) behind them, they might not be able to survive by themselves, because they aren't that big like Arc Systems or Kodansha, and they don't have the property of any valuable IP.
So that's the paradox. They are technically an independent studio, but at the same time, they aren't. They can refuse to work with Nintendo, but that could cost their jobs.
As you said, when they finished TLA and Mario Tennis games, they chose to work with Capcom instead of Nintendo. They were a really good studio with benefits and publishers were interested on them. Nowadays? I really doubt it. It could happen some publisher wants them, obviously, but their games has drop a bit of their quality.
It is not just that they won't contract them, it literally just won't end up happening. They have no obligation to do what Nintendo wants, but at the same time, if Camelot pitches a game, Nintendo also has no reason to deny it if development costs are coming from Camelot. Your assumption comes from thinking that if Camelot doesn't do Mario sports like Nintendo asks, Nintendo won't allow any other submissions from them that aren't Mario sports. If this was true, they would have done Tennis or Golf for the Wii instead of Dark Dawn. Again, Nintendo literally asked them to do another game, they declined, and they were perfectly fine.
The only thing Nintendo cares about for publishing games is A. exclusivity and B. adhering to brand regulations. This is why Super Mario Spikers was rejected some time ago; it wasn't because it wouldn't have been profitable and it was guaranteed an exclusive, but it was because it didn't mesh with what Nintendo wanted the Mario series to present itself as.

And also, you misused the term Paradox. A paradox is a logical statement that contradicts itself, not "being one thing but also another". That's closer to
Schrödinger's theory.
 
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We're actually 1st for first party.
Steve and Sora being very unlikely (we just got banjo and hero) we're actually second overall. And since the poll was created by 2 geno supporter, who shared it with their community, I think Isaac and Geno are actually pretty even, and Isaac is more likely because, again, we just got Hero.
 

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We got 4th at the Sabi/Papa/Scott Poll a couple hours ago and nobody has posted it here yet? I'm disappointed in all of you.
1) Who is Reimu Hakurei?

2) This feels like a good result given we are up there with some massive, 3rd party requests. Like Kalaam said, this originating in Geno circles might cloud things a smidge. I wouldn’t be surprised at him being on top of the results regardless though. We are still top 3 for Nintendo-centric characters with Geno and Shantae. Speaking of...

3) Is anyone else surprised at the gap between the top 3 Nintendo-centric requests (Geno, Isaac, and Shantae) and all the other ones? It feels like two distinct tiers between those 3 and the next trio of Phoenix Wright, Bandana Dee, and Waluigi.
 
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It's neat to see Isaac having done well, but I still think this was a really weird, unintuitive time to conduct a poll. Isaac seems to be the only exception in that characters seen as "deconfirmed" will have muted responses not truly indicative of their popularity were it unencumbered by the current situation. I mean, even Isaac would probably be higher if he wasn't already an AT.

Past that, Isaac again seems the only exception insofar as the current trend of only expecting third-parties has cut off first-party fervour at the knees. Look, there's only a single first-party in the top ten. Were we not steeped in precedent, there'd be less expectation guiding voting, and more genuine desire (which is what they're actually trying to gauge).

That's why the further you get from initial announcement, the more skewed results are going to get; shaped by preconceptions and deconfirmations. If you eliminate Isaac from the equation (since he is exception here), you can really see as much.

And while these results provide an interesting snapshot of current trends, once the paradigm next shifts, they'll be fairly useless.
 

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The rest of my post might touch on that.
Right, but I'm not sure I understand your perspective on it. There's always short phases where characters are deemed likely or unlikely and different characters come and go from that status, but the most popular always shine through regardless. Isaac's always been one of the most requested, same with Geno. It's like how Ridley was still voted for a lot on the ballot regardless of boss status at the time.
 
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N3ON

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Right, but I'm not sure I understand your perspective on it. There's always short phases where characters are deemed likely or unlikely, but the most popular always shine through regardless. Isaac's always been one of the most requested, same with Geno. It's like how Ridley was still voted for a lot on the ballot regardless of boss status at the time.
You say that, but you won't find Ridley or Geno among the top 10 on ballot-era exit polls. So, do the most popular always shine through? I mean, the likes of Waluigi, Bandana Dee, Shadow, Dixie, a Xenoblade character, probably Bomberman... they're on the poll, but they're not in ranks indicative of their potential were current preconceptions not shaping the results.

This poll is useful insofar as it represents one of the short phases where some characters are deemed likely or unlikely, but if the goal of the poll was to represent anything more than a snapshot wherein factors which supplant more genuine desire with popularity spikes (born of transient theorycrafting common in the phase where the majority of the roster is already known) conducting a census when all characters are still seen as in play (or at least more than currently, where the entirety of first-party is barely seen as in the running) would've provided a picture less susceptible to becoming quickly outdated.

It's fine to quantify the current trends, but I just don't believe it's an optimal time to take a poll if you want the results to have value in posterity. That comes towards the beginning, or right at the end when the cycle has reset. At least with exit ballot polls people were trying to determine who actually got votes.
 

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Also i'm pretty sure that's an initial pie chart found in one of the discords, it's not the official result. So take it with a pinch of salt. When I tallied the raw data Isaac was ahead of Sora, but there wasn't much difference in it.

That being said, Sora and Steve got waaay more 'least wanted' votes than Isaac did.
 
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Honestly, I'm rather disappointed by the sheer quantity of trend / group mentality that exists. I honestly cannot understand it whatsoever. Where is the satisfaction on having someone "get in" when the only reason people claimed to want said character in the game is because people said they were likely instead of actively supporting said character long term, and being rewarded? Why even support something so avidly when you'd only get tired of it as soon as it's no longer relevant?

In my opinion, unless you're willing to stick by and continue supporting that character even when they aren't likely, than you don't actually want them at all.
 

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I don't know why people let trends in character choices shape their most wanteds. Nothing will stop me from supporting Isaac. I can tell that this poll has been shaped by the times regardless of what people will say, but I wish people wouldn't stop supporting their characters just because they seem disconfirmed. People screaming about Ridley all the time ended up getting him in even though Sakurai didn't really like the idea.
 

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I don't know why people let trends in character choices shape their most wanteds. Nothing will stop me from supporting Isaac. I can tell that this poll has been shaped by the times regardless of what people will say, but I wish people wouldn't stop supporting their characters just because they seem disconfirmed. People screaming about Ridley all the time ended up getting him in even though Sakurai didn't really like the idea.
I feel like the characters that super popular, ala Ridley, are bound to always have demand regardless of what the flavor of the month is.
 

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I never gave up on King K. Rool and I wanted Ridley in big time. When it finally happened I was happy beyond belief. My most wanted and a character that I wanted to see in.


I don't think people give up on their most wanted newcomers Don't think they should.

But I guess sometimes people just hop on the popular choice of the month.
 

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Yeah, you can usually see who are bandwagon characters, in that case you can actually "disregard" them (not entirely, but just taking their score with a grain of salt, especially if they are super high up compared to the rest) and you can see who are the actual consistent most wanted. Isaac and Geno are both of those.
 

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Yeah I hear you. The good news in polls like this is that. Geno and Isaac have constantly remained at the top of popular choice their momentum not dropping.

I don't know what Sakurai's stance on them is at this point Nor do I know if he plans to make them DLC. But I hope he sees the support and moveset potential to make them characters. Which would be great for Geno and esspescially Isaac.
 

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I think if Isaac is in this next batch of DLC, it would be decided by now. But who knows how long he'll carry it on making DLC for. Maybe he'll upgrade Assists as like a final concession. But I like to hope not, and he's actually in with a shot earlier as a fan pleaser.
Seeing how Sakurai rather wants to keep supporting Ultimate as long as they can (maybe during all Switch's life) due to how difficult it woudl be to make a new smash living up to the hype of Ultimate, I totally see ATs being upgraded as a possibility, nothing official is stated against it, just fan rules based on "so far patterns", which are constantly broken by Sakurai as we know by now well.
 
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I mean, I've tried to see things from Sakurai's perspective and gotten them sorely wrong before, but he has said he wants to expand Ultimate's crossover nature and wants to try and improve upon this game for as long as possible. If he's really trying to live up to the Ultimate title, I feel like he'd try to include as many long-standing fan requests as possible, even when he otherwise wouldn't have wanted to (like Ridley.) I don't see why he would skip out on Isaac just because he is currently an AT when Isaac has been one of the most popular characters in the community for years now. Isaac is basically the only first party character from a series without a character in Smash currently on that level. If he wants to keep adding new series and still wants to include Nintendo characters, Isaac feels like an absolute necessity. I could be wrong and he could just go with all third parties or add the only new first parties as characters from represented series, but that doesn't really line up with what he said in the last direct and columns. It's hard to say, but I can't see why they would pass up Isaac this time other than him not being a good choice for advertisement, which doesn't really seem to be this game's goal.
 

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I don't know why people let trends in character choices shape their most wanteds. Nothing will stop me from supporting Isaac. I can tell that this poll has been shaped by the times regardless of what people will say, but I wish people wouldn't stop supporting their characters just because they seem disconfirmed. People screaming about Ridley all the time ended up getting him in even though Sakurai didn't really like the idea.
Smash Bros exists as simultaneous gestalt of several different self-contained pockets:

  • Platform fighting game (what you will see competitively, frame data, ect)
  • Video game history loveletter and crazy crossover of IPs (Banjo's taunt is a reference to..., Wicked Weaves summon Madama Butterfly's limbs... ect.)
  • Casual party game (the emotion of chaos. random fun from wild moments. Watch M2K play causally and you'll understand)
  • 15 million sold on the Switch, more lifetime as a franchise. Smash Bros as "Smash Bros."
  • and more, of course (music, spectator consumption, ect.)

Of course, those are kind of arbitrarily defined by me and overlap for all of us all the time. And naturally, in this thread, our support for Isaac would come from the second bullet point. We want to see Golden Sun acknowledged because we love the source material. I think the people who you reference in your post are more fans of the fourth aspect. That is, fans divorced from even the other aspects, or at least further separated from them, who are primarily concerned with Smash Speculation in and of itself. The act of prospecting like it's a stock market of characters, of hitching your horse to one and betting like it's a roulette wheel.

You see this type of behavior anywhere people let themselves be passionately attached to a cause, even if it's irrational. Console fanboyism, politics, sports, whatever. You don't like the Patriots because you think their strategy matches up with what you love or because you're from Boston, you like them because you want to engage in the narrative of the sport and have some stake in it. Poor people who will give the rich tax breaks at their own expense because that's the horse they've hitched their wagon to. What you're rooting for hardly matters, as long as you can cheer when they win.

It's like that comic:
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I think if Isaac is in this next batch of DLC, it would be decided by now. But who knows how long he'll carry it on making DLC for. Maybe he'll upgrade Assists as like a final concession. But I like to hope not, and he's actually in with a shot earlier as a fan pleaser.
This is why I'm excited. This means our support for Isaac and the speculation/grinch leak/rathalos tweet/first Golden Sunday/Mario Tennis Aces finishing up all hit at the right time. That would have been when all of this was decided.

You are right though. It is absolutely still worthwhile to push. You never know how long this could continue.

I mean, I've tried to see things from Sakurai's perspective and gotten them sorely wrong before, but he has said he wants to expand Ultimate's crossover nature and wants to try and improve upon this game for as long as possible. If he's really trying to live up to the Ultimate title, I feel like he'd try to include as many long-standing fan requests as possible, even when he otherwise wouldn't have wanted to (like Ridley.) I don't see why he would skip out on Isaac just because he is currently an AT when Isaac has been one of the most popular characters in the community for years now. Isaac is basically the only first party character from a series without a character in Smash currently on that level. If he wants to keep adding new series and still wants to include Nintendo characters, Isaac feels like an absolute necessity. I could be wrong and he could just go with all third parties or add the only new first parties as characters from represented series, but that doesn't really line up with what he said in the last direct and columns. It's hard to say, but I can't see why they would pass up Isaac this time other than him not being a good choice for advertisement, which doesn't really seem to be this game's goal.
Well said!

Finally, I'm thinking about recapping all the speculation and evidence like this into some sort of primer video for the franchise and its dances with Smash, probably with an intended audience of those people in that fourth group I mentioned. Going briefly through the history of the Takahashi siblings, Shining Force, Camelot and its relationship with Nintendo and the journey of being so close and so far to Smash and the people who have always wanted it in. I dunno that I can make it as good as I'd like, but I'd like to do for Golden Sunday. I've got a bit written already.
 
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I mean, I've tried to see things from Sakurai's perspective and gotten them sorely wrong before, but he has said he wants to expand Ultimate's crossover nature and wants to try and improve upon this game for as long as possible. If he's really trying to live up to the Ultimate title, I feel like he'd try to include as many long-standing fan requests as possible, even when he otherwise wouldn't have wanted to (like Ridley.) I don't see why he would skip out on Isaac just because he is currently an AT when Isaac has been one of the most popular characters in the community for years now. Isaac is basically the only first party character from a series without a character in Smash currently on that level. If he wants to keep adding new series and still wants to include Nintendo characters, Isaac feels like an absolute necessity. I could be wrong and he could just go with all third parties or add the only new first parties as characters from represented series, but that doesn't really line up with what he said in the last direct and columns. It's hard to say, but I can't see why they would pass up Isaac this time other than him not being a good choice for advertisement, which doesn't really seem to be this game's goal.
In addition, the theme of the game has either been answering to demand or including legacy third parties which carry fanbases of their own. I wouldn't be surprised to see a promotional character or two squeeze their way in when all is said and done, but there's no reason to suddenly sway from the design philosophy now. From the way Sakurai spoke of deciding on more DLC, it was just as much about leaving the game behind feeling truly "complete" to the fans as it was to simply push the boundaries of the crossover and add new worlds (another encouraging phrase right there). At this point, it probably is being mostly dictated by the high-volume requests considering what the future of the series after this game looks like.

As long as first parties and assist trophies are on the table (and if Nintendo and Sakurai are still listening to people, they would be because by now they would have to see all the Twitter users basically throwing their wallets at them to include Waluigi and the like), that's what matters. They probably were just testing the waters with DLC by using safer third party characters that would gain more attention and sales, but now they can open the playing field up to everyone else as long as there's a proven audience.

While I don't want to put myself in an echo chamber and prop up Isaac's importance, there's not many places Nintendo could look for suggestions and not see him since there wasn't that long of a decline in his demand post-AT reveal. Banjo & Kazooie really helped provide a motivational spark to a lot of fanbases.
 
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