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I know a lot of characters WILL have to wait till next game to see their chances, but I never really liked that argument for older first-parties. Particularly because the next game's gonna be out after I'm in my 30s presumably, meaning I'll suck even more at the game, and I'll have to deal with new weird gameplay quirks Sakurai did because he's so afraid of the game being more than a casual party game while still making increasingly complex fighters with every installment and adding a minor thing here or there that helps the competitive scene.
Eh, what the hell else are they gonna do? Final reveals are never massive third-parties, this pass hasn't been kind to people who now thought literally any third-party series could join, and all the possible promo picks are either spirited or have something else going on to make their chances seem iffy.
Without getting into the weeds about possibilities for a DLC character that may well be confirmed three hours from now, there are plenty of other reasonable arguments out there for both third-party and first-party characters that I can't in good faith assume a spirited- and assist trophied-character from a dormant series is a particularly strong contender for that final spot. I'll be ecstatic if I'm proven wrong, of course, but I'm not setting myself up for disappointment just because I think Isaac should be playable. After all, there will be plenty of time to anticipate a possible Isaac reveal once the inevitable next Smash game rolls around.
Most of those "reasonable" arguments have to ignore factors against those characters that are bigger than any three year old, poorly made item whose userbase is mostly gone now.
Aaaaaaaand it's not over yet. gdi I just want to stop tormenting myself over it already. -_-#
And now those "reasonable" arguments for various third-parties have another issue: Mr. Sakurai Presents (currently unknown character) presentations tend to NOT be big. And in today's Smash climate, most third parties are automatically bigger than most first parties just because hype from Nintendo not owning them.
The issue there comes with Steve, who was confirmed in a non-direct presentation.
He wasn't revealed in a Mr. Sakurai Presents, though. That came after.
And, yet, there are a lot of people still expecting Master Chief or other crap on r/smashbros. That's insane how these people are blinded.
But it was in the middle of a Covid year, with no E3. Would it have been a normal year, he would have been revealed at E3, I'm sure.
While I am not going to say that Master Chief is impossible at this point, it would be strange not to have him at E3. We’ve never had a clearly much bigger third-party character follow the third-party character shown at E3 in a Smash or Nintendo Direct. No, Cloud doesn’t count, since
But...wouldn't they WANT a bunch of people to see his reveal live? Announcing a solo presentation 2 weeks ahead of time is enough time for those not interested in Smash enough to forget they announced a final Sakurai presentation. Until it comes out and Smash fans whine it's not third-party of course.
Also, it wasn't a presentation, but a livestream.
Considering once 7am PT/10am ET got locked in with Terry, the only exceptions were those that lead into something (Minecon or Sephiroth challenge - also consider Banjo's was immediately following a Direct), which seems more to imply that 7am/10am just became their standard time after Hero/Banjo for those that weren't tied to something else.
It is interesting to me that the only DLC characters that have been revealed in a Presentation were Nintendo ones.
That is a very fair point. I do wonder why the final character wasn't delayed until TGA considering it is only around 2 months away from October 5. Ah well, who cares.
Because it's not gonna be a big 3rd party character, unlike everyone else seems to be assuming it / predicting it to be.
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I'm with you on this. For me, am currently not too sure what to expect, but I do expect a first party character too. To me it's a toss up between a Zelda character, a Pokemon, and Isaac. All would make a lot of sense retrospectively, and this Fighters Pass so far has been all about reconsidered ideas.
I was on my own "it could still be Eevee!" train, but that, like any other Pokemon or third-party, is something Nintendo should really hope outsiders see. If the presentation is as far away from the announcement as it is, that isn't a good sign that it's someone well-known. Which is perfect for Isaac in 2021.
They weren't pushing it that hard in the Western version of the last Direct. Compare DQXIS, which is something they definitely wanted Westerners to play despite a lack of interest in DQ in the West.
Yeah same! Those three are the only ones I can viably think of. Beyond that there's Advance Wars or Kirby reps but I think they're less likely. I'm basically thinking anything released 2018 or after is probably not getting considered, because it's hard to plan and design a character that's halfway through development. The exception being Pokémon where Sakurai can go off concept art apparently.
I mean, it's better to dig deep for reasons WHY it might be Isaac then just give up and default to Cinderace or something. That's what speculation is, isn't it?
I mean speculating doesn't change reality. It will just change your (and perhaps other's) perception. But I'd rather be very pleasantly surprised, then majorly let down if that makes sense. Note that I don't think he's impossible or anything, I just said I wouldn't count on it.
Well, no it doesn't. But what's bandwagoned the most isn't guaranteed to get in either, and FP2 has been a huge lesson in that.
Is it supposed to be a con to them? Because I can think of another character well-known to this thread who is also an AT...
It is the best chance we got in a long time, considering the strong thematic of "second chance" of this pass, and the circumstances of this particular presentation, leading to think it's a first party. I will still go in this Direct expecting a Zelda rep but I must admit I still have true hope for Isaac.
The bandwagon for a lot of third-parties is quite recent, it changed nothing for them in this pass indeed. There are only three third-party characters I can see who have a long term bandwagon: mainly Sora, somewhat Phoenix Wright, and Geno but he is out. Rayman seems to not be big enough, and everything else is just too recent (and too much westerny for a lot of them I also think).
Well I don’t think we are getting a Gen 8 Pokemon due to the spirit event. Another factor is that it makes no sense to not save the legendaries and the starter Pokemon for a hypothetical Sword & Shield Challenger Pack since they are the most iconic Mon of that Gen.
