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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

Qeomash

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Two years from now there will be a new Fire Emblem by then so don't count yet another rep from them out yet.

I'm super pessimistic right now about both my wants (Isaac and Geno). I hope I'm wrong, but I'm really afraid they will do more third party reps followed by one or two Nintendo characters. Probably another Pokemon and a FE rep for the next game.
 

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Also, I personally like Byleth. I think that if he were from any series other then FE people wouldn't be so mad, but people are people. 3 Houses is a good game and actually worthy of getting a character in Smash (unlike certain other characters whose names rhyme with "torrin" and "hinmineror").
Hold up there! I don't care what anyone else says, Fates and Sun/Moon were both good games and worthy additions to their respective franchises. Granted, I agree neither franchise needed another Smash character (and boy was Ultra Sun/Moon underwhelming), but at least both characters came with unique movesets, with Incineroar's being a particularly interesting addition to the Smash roster.

And on the subject of positivity, I'm still really happy with Ultimate overall. The return of every veteran fighter was great, the new characters have all been interesting in various ways (even the handful I don't care for), and the actual gameplay remains fantastic. I'm also just happy that Nintendo's continuing to support the game long-term like other modern fighting games. I may not be 100% happy as a Golden Sun fan, but as a Smash fan and a Nintendo fan, it's been a great few years! I'm just hoping that all the work of the Golden Sun community will pay off, because as good as things have been, I know they can be that much better.
 

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Two years from now there will be a new Fire Emblem by then so don't count yet another rep from them out yet.

I'm super pessimistic right now about both my wants (Isaac and Geno). I hope I'm wrong, but I'm really afraid they will do more third party reps followed by one or two Nintendo characters. Probably another Pokemon and a FE rep for the next game.
I don’t think there will be as many third party characters in the next pass, but obviously I have nothing to base that on. Just that this first pass was almost all third party and I don’t think Sakurai wants to have to negotiate for 80% of the DLC to this game.

I still think there will be a few more, but I think it’ll be more half first and half third. And I do think we’ll get a Pokémon. I think we’re done with FE, but you never know. Sakurai loves his Fire Emblem.
 
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My thoughts on the next pass:

  • All characters will bring something new on the gameplay side. Sakurai said it about the previous pass.
  • I think there will be several first party. And several third party. It will be mixed.
  • I strongly think there will be at the very least one "community request", probably more. By that I mean "early community requests", those that we can see in the polls previous the launch of the game (Geno, Isaac, Sora, Lloyd, Crash, Phoenix...), but only characters that can appeal to a japanese audience *. Since all these barriers Joker destroyed and all the third party that happened, the community as a whole want every characters in the world, thus every single characters are now "community request" to an extend.
  • * : only characters that can appeal to a japanese audience, except that with more Ubisoft things on this phase, I'm believing in Rayman chances later down the road.
 

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I’m starting to believe there’s a good chance that Geno could end up being another one of those advanced Mii Costumes that Sans and Cuphead got.

Geno is a character that already had a costume that hasn’t returned yet and he has the perfect body type like Sans and Cuphead to fit that unique style. And they could add his famous song to his costume release.

For his fans’ sake I hope he does make it playable. I can just see it happening though. A lot of people point to the fact that only indie characters have gotten that treatment so far but we’ve only had two revealed. We don’t know if that will continue. People thought we’d only get third party characters in the pass and that didn’t happen.
 

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Hopefully Byleth is the last massive Sakubias we'll get. Or maybe he planned 6 slots so he can get one more xD
Well we're not going to get any more FE, so if "bias", as per the current accusations, means the inclusion of more new series like Persona and Fatal Fury, I'm cool with that.

2. we will get to see what happens with the new music brought by Byleth and where it will be assigned, giving us a reference point for what may happen with Isaac.
What do you mean? It'll be assimilated with the other FE music and play on FE stages.

If Isaac gets in, presumably the current GS songs would be yanked out of the Misc. category and put into their own, which would play on the GS stage.

I am happy that Byleth isn’t just another Marth clone. And thank you Sakurai for not giving him a counter.
I'm shocked Divine Pulse wasn't implemented as a counter.

I’m starting to believe there’s a good chance that Geno could end up being another one of those advanced Mii Costumes that Sans and Cuphead got.

Geno is a character that already had a costume that hasn’t returned yet and he has the perfect body type like Sans and Cuphead to fit that unique style. And they could add his famous song to his costume release.

For his fans’ sake I hope he does make it playable. I can just see it happening though. A lot of people point to the fact that only indie characters have gotten that treatment so far but we’ve only had two revealed. We don’t know if that will continue. People thought we’d only get third party characters in the pass and that didn’t happen.
If that comes to pass, we better batten down the hatches so as to avoid splashback from the Geno thread exploding.

Maybe a certain knight with no mind to think? Or the wayward daughter of a king and beast?
They all pale in comparison to an unnamed waterfowl.
 

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I doubt they'd yank them out of the other category. They'd leave them in there, but also add them to the Golden Sun category.
 

Cadillac

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Y'all think Whiplash or Thunder Mine could potentially be one of Isaac's moves?
Also, where would his sword be? Would it be on his left shoulder like right now or his right shoulder?
 
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Isaac: Venus Adept

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Y'all think Whiplash or Thunder Mine could potentially be one of Isaac's smash moves?
Also, where would his sword be? Would it be on his left shoulder like right now or his right shoulder?
It is possible for those type of moves from different elements to be in there but they would definitely prioritise moves using Venus earth and plant spells more. And with Isaac's sword I guess they probably will keep it the same
 
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Cadillac

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Whiplash would be pretty cool since it's a magical whip powered by Lightning/Wind, and I can imagine Isaac whipping Belmonts in a match.
Since the animation for Whiplash is slamming down the whip, Isaac would have less horizontal range but better vertical range.
Also, am I on the supporter list? If not, count me in. True Blue Warrior True Blue Warrior
 
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There it is, Adepts! Our Fighters Pass 2 revealed! Lmao
They couldn't find a single spot for Felix? And why aren't any of the other element's adepts included? Sakubias at it again
 
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Disturbedfan199220

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I will absolute whole heartedly endorse Isaac to be a playable Character in Ultimate or the Sequel to Ultimate. Golden Sun was a terrific game, that I loved as a kid!!! It would be an absolute dream come true if Sakurai can listen to the growing number of fans who want to see Isaac in Smash!!! If I were directing instead of Sakurai, it would be a high priority to make him a playable unlock able character and not just an ordinary assist trophy character!!!
 

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How would you guys feel if the next game by Camelot was Mario Golf, but Isaac is a character in there sporting Polo t-shirt and golf pants?
I mean Sol Sanctum is a stage in Mario tennis aces so it might be possible.
 
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How would you guys feel if the next game by Camelot was Mario Golf, but Isaac is a character in there sporting Polo t-shirt and golf pants?
I mean Sol Sanctum is a stage in Mario tennis aces so it might be possible.
Any Isaac acknowledgement is a plus. Plus it'd be the first time I'd buy a Mario Golf game.

I mean I'd be disappointed they weren't making Golden Sun, but a new GS is like a Mother 3 localization - I've just stopped expecting it until it happens.

And tbf that Sol Sanctum thing is a reference more than a cameo, the stage doesn't look anything like the actual Sol Sanctum.
 

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I’m starting to believe there’s a good chance that Geno could end up being another one of those advanced Mii Costumes that Sans and Cuphead got.

Geno is a character that already had a costume that hasn’t returned yet and he has the perfect body type like Sans and Cuphead to fit that unique style. And they could add his famous song to his costume release.

For his fans’ sake I hope he does make it playable. I can just see it happening though. A lot of people point to the fact that only indie characters have gotten that treatment so far but we’ve only had two revealed. We don’t know if that will continue. People thought we’d only get third party characters in the pass and that didn’t happen.
I really hope Geno nor Shantae get's the Mii costume bobble head treatment or the Mii costume treatment entirely. Those characters' fanbases deserve better than that.
 
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I really hope Geno nor Shantae get's the Mii costume bobble head treatment or the Mii costume treatment entirely. Those characters' fanbases deserve better than that.
Geno fans really deserve their character and I'd be so happy for them if he gets in. BUT if Sakurai does give him the Mii costume treatment at the very least it should be at the quality of Sans and Cuphead where it actually looks like the character and not a cosplay equivalent like Smash 4's one free with a music track
 

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I really hope Geno nor Shantae get's the Mii costume bobble head treatment or the Mii costume treatment entirely. Those characters' fanbases deserve better than that.
I agree. Both of those characters and their fans deserve better. I could see a Shovel Knight Swordfighter costume happening as well.
 

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How would you guys feel if the next game by Camelot was Mario Golf, but Isaac is a character in there sporting Polo t-shirt and golf pants?
I mean Sol Sanctum is a stage in Mario tennis aces so it might be possible.
Mario Golf as their next game would not surprise me, but I would find the Isaac thing funny.
I really hope Geno nor Shantae get's the Mii costume bobble head treatment or the Mii costume treatment entirely. Those characters' fanbases deserve better than that.
I don't think she could work well as one of those costumes considering she's half human, it would have to use a wig instead.
 

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By the way, a few said that if only one AT was to be promoted it would be Waluigi.
However I came to think of something. Isaac might be the face of the AT.
Remember that during the final smash direct, Isaac was the one to open up the AT section. It's also because he is a veteran AT that came back from oblivion, yes, but it showed him up close to everyone. So that puts him as a good spot to show of AT promotion.
 

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By the way, a few said that if only one AT was to be promoted it would be Waluigi.
However I came to think of something. Isaac might be the face of the AT.
Remember that during the final smash direct, Isaac was the one to open up the AT section. It's also because he is a veteran AT that came back from oblivion, yes, but it showed him up close to everyone. So that puts him as a good spot to show of AT promotion.
I like Waluigi. And not in just the meme way. I do think he’s a cool character that I would like to see playable. But I honestly feel like Sakurai just might not care for him or feel like he would make a good fighter.

In Sm4sh he highlighted Waluigi getting AT’d and made a comment about “Just because you try hard to be a fighter doesn’t mean it will happen”. And then for Ultimate he threw Waluigi out there right away, almost as like “Don’t tweet me about him. He’s an AT.”

And of course we got Piranha Plant before we got him, which is just crazy. Even plain Mario baddies are getting in before him. Sakurai just might not like Waluigi...

As for Isaac I felt he was more uninformed of the demand and when he saw it he threw the AT back in with a bunch of GS spirits and a full costume. And of course this is just speculation, but he might just not have had time to work on an Isaac fighter with all of the other content they were working on and negotiating with third parties and what not.

So who knows what will happen. Waluigi is more well known and demanded for outside of the community, but if it’s was just going to be based on outside popularity there are other characters that likely would have already been in as well. I don’t know if he wants Waluigi as a playable character.

And I don’t follow “insiders” in Smash speculation because I think they’re full of crap and want attention, (not to name names, but there’s an individual who hangs out in the Geno thread who speculates and because he constantly says Geno will likely get in everyone there treats him like a prophet). But I’m guessing most of them are just saying Waluigi because he’s popular mainstream and have no actual sources telling them he’s being talked about in the dev circle.
 
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Also, here is something fun.
How about an Isaac reveal starts with this:

But it turns into the Smash logo instead ? Could replay the entire TLA ending with it but talking about the power of Smash instead of the power of the Philosopher's Stone.
 

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By the way, a few said that if only one AT was to be promoted it would be Waluigi.
However I came to think of something. Isaac might be the face of the AT.
Remember that during the final smash direct, Isaac was the one to open up the AT section. It's also because he is a veteran AT that came back from oblivion, yes, but it showed him up close to everyone. So that puts him as a good spot to show of AT promotion.
Some more comparisons to when Waluigi was shown off at E3 2018 vs. Isaac in 11/1:
  • GS music plays when showing off Isaac, Mario music doesn't play with Waluigi
  • Isaac is shown off at the beginning of that Direct's AT showcase, Waluigi is not shown off at the beginning of E3 2018's
And of course this is just speculation, but he might just not have had time to work on an Isaac fighter with all of the other content they were working on and negotiating with third parties and what not.
I think they'd be more willing to make him playable had they had time to make another stage for the base game. Remodeling Melee/Brawl/3DS stages clearly took a huge toll on their stage budget.
 
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I think they'd be more willing to make him playable had they had time to make another stage for the base game. Remodeling Melee/Brawl/3DS stages clearly took a huge toll on their stage budget.
Sure. I also think the characters we got in the base game like the Belmonts, Ridley, K. Rool, another Animal Crossing rep, were characters that just had priority at the time anyways, so they didn’t have time to get to Isaac.

And the first pass was clearly meant to be third party heavy. So now anything is possible.
 

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Water. Earth. Fire. Air.

Long ago, Golden Sun fans lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the November Direct attacked.

Only Isaac, master of all Djinn, could save us. But when the fans needed him most, hope vanished.

An eternity's passed and the Golden Sun fans discovered a new source of hope - the second Fighter Pass, and although our fan campaign was great, we had a lot to learn about the FP2 before he's ready to save anyone.

But I believe Isaac can hype the world.
 

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I don't think she could work well as one of those costumes considering she's half human, it would have to use a wig instead.
Now imagine others putting a Sans head on a Shantae costume that has a bikini. That would be absolutely insulting to the Shantae fans. Trolls will do that cert of **** if a Shantae Mii costume becomes a thing.

And I don’t follow “insiders” in Smash speculation because I think they’re full of crap and want attention, (not to name names, but there’s an individual who hangs out in the Geno thread who speculates and because he constantly says Geno will likely get in everyone there treats him like a prophet). But I’m guessing most of them are just saying Waluigi because he’s popular mainstream and have no actual sources telling them he’s being talked about in the dev circle.
Fatmanonice is just a awesome dude who speculates and creates awesome theories from what he hears in speculation and his contects. He says it himself that he is not a leaker and is just speculating on what he hears. I don't see Fatman as a prophet, I see him as just one of us trying to solve the crazy puzzle that is Sakurai's mind.
 

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Also, here is something fun.
How about an Isaac reveal starts with this:

But it turns into the Smash logo instead ? Could replay the entire TLA ending with it but talking about the power of Smash instead of the power of the Philosopher's Stone.
Yeees, I was just talking with Robo Ky about this in the Discord. Somehow I had never seen this one, that or I forgot about it. It's so much cooler than the western trailer we got.

But yeah the whole Golden Sun event would make an awesome sequence for a reveal. Even just teasing us with Mt Aleph might get Golden Sun fans excited before any other fandom catches on.
 

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Now imagine others putting a Sans head on a Shantae costume that has a bikini. That would be absolutely insulting to the Shantae fans. Trolls will do that cert of **** if a Shantae Mii costume becomes a thing.



Fatmanonice is just a awesome dude who speculates and creates awesome theories from what he hears in speculation and his contects. He says it himself that he is not a leaker and is just speculating on what he hears. I don't see Fatman as a prophet, I see him as just one of us trying to solve the crazy puzzle that is Sakurai's mind.
I understand that. But as you said the dude just speculates, and his speculation is passed around by Geno fans (because he’s a Geno fan) and I guess certain Youtubers looking for clickbait.

I’m not saying he’s a bad person or anything. He isn’t claiming he’s 100% correct, but all his followers like to pretend that’s the case and clearly he likes the attention otherwise he wouldn’t be posting a hundred times a day.

And one of the “insiders” he listens to is Sabi and I think she’s full of crap. Last I heard about her she was hinting at a VGA reveal, but never fully came out and said it. Then when nothing was revealed there she took to Twitter to talk about how credible she is and never claimed there would be a reveal. Yes.....when you’re vague about everything it’s hard for people to 100% call you out on your BS. Congratulations.
 

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I understand that. But as you said the dude just speculates, and his speculation is passed around by Geno fans (because he’s a Geno fan) and I guess certain Youtubers looking for clickbait.

I’m not saying he’s a bad person or anything. He isn’t claiming he’s 100% correct, but all his followers like to pretend that’s the case and clearly he likes the attention otherwise he wouldn’t be posting a hundred times a day.

And one of the “insiders” he listens to is Sabi and I think she’s full of crap. Last I heard about her she was hinting at a VGA reveal, but never fully came out and said it. Then when nothing was revealed there she took to Twitter to talk about how credible she is and never claimed there would be a reveal. Yes.....when you’re vague about everything it’s hard for people to 100% call you out on your BS. Congratulations.
Fatman isn't connected with Sabi in any shape or form anymore because he left Sabi's private discoard quite awhile ago. Like he left in November I think. Fatman is now on his own with certain contects he met in the discoard or outside he follows and protects their information. He only will say something if he is giving the thumbs up from them. Also, Fatman isn't talking bull**** he is just creating theories.
 
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Fatman isn't connected with Sabi in any shape or form anymore because he left Sabi's private discoard quite awhile ago. Like he left in November I think. Fatman is now on his own with certain contects he met in the discoard or outside he follows and protects their information. He only will say something if he is giving the thumbs up from them. Also, Fatman isn't talking bull**** he is just creating theories.
Well, thank you for clearing that up for me. Again, I have nothing against the guy personally. I’m glad he’s having fun with speculating and the people in the Geno thread are having fun with it too. I’m just not putting any stock into what the guy says.

I just don’t believe any “insider” information regarding Smash anymore. Especially since it mostly seems to be guessing from their part and then everyone comes up with all kinds of crazy theories based on pictures of the day or whatever.

And people also like to follow “fan rules” and include that in their speculation which is just stupid because Sakurai doesn’t follow those.
 
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Well, thank you for clearing that up for me. Again, I have nothing against the guy personally. I’m glad he’s having fun with speculating and the people in the Geno thread are having fun with it too. I’m just not putting any stock into what the guy says.

I just don’t believe any “insider” information regarding Smash anymore. Especially since it mostly seems to be guessing from their part and then everyone comes up with all kinds of crazy theories based on pictures of the day or whatever.

And people also like to follow “fan rules” and include that in their speculation which is just stupid because Sakurai doesn’t follow those.
I respect your opinion. I just don't like it when people trash on Fatman calling him a liar when he is really just speculating like all of us. I'm not saying you diss Fatman though.
 

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Yeees, I was just talking with Robo Ky about this in the Discord. Somehow I had never seen this one, that or I forgot about it. It's so much cooler than the western trailer we got.

But yeah the whole Golden Sun event would make an awesome sequence for a reveal. Even just teasing us with Mt Aleph might get Golden Sun fans excited before any other fandom catches on.
Actually that's me, just that the admin is a prankster and changed my name.
 
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