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This is stupid.So we're paying $10 entrance fee and they're taking 10% of the pot? Jesus christ
Sometimes players learn best from other people.because we dont dickride other people just because they are better than us at the game like you do.
if you want to get better, learn how to pick apart your opponent habits yourself, and stop relying on other people
I'm not supporting coaching during the games of a match. That would be distracting. I'm saying if someone needs some advice in between games, by all means that is fair because it is not distracting for either player, and both players can take that time to find someone more knowledgeable about the character they are fighting.not in the middle of a game
p.s. the idea that the idea of being coached is available equally to everyone is full of crap.
???Missed the FF discussion... FML
I would like to have a ride to this, if possible.
6 is better than 7. 12 is good. Nobody mentioned 4.
Restart SON
I pray that you are trollingWe had a discussion the other day at my fest. And we all agreed FF X-2 was the best.
I agree wholeheartedly that random neutrals is fine. HOWEVER, brawl doesn't exactly have "neutral" stages. It just has stages that are less unfair for a given matchup than others.Currently, yes.
I mostly prefer random nuetrals, and most people I play in tourney tend to no have a preference either.
but this specific tourney I wanted to go with an exclusively MBR ruleset for melee, since its a pretty new ruleset. which consists of stage striking
I highly encourage EVERYONE to read through the entire ruleset.
That's exactly my point, lol. The first game of a set is supposed to be on the most neutral stage possible. If we want randomness to determine the winner of games lets just turn items onSome characters had a rather big disadvantage on some of the neutral stages and random maybe their only hope of getting a good stage.
I agree wholeheartedly that random neutrals is fine. HOWEVER, brawl doesn't exactly have "neutral" stages. It just has stages that are less unfair for a given matchup than others.
Examples why I think random starters is bad:
-IC's on FD
-Diddy on FD
-Olimar on yoshi's
To name a few.
The striking system was implemented specifically for this reason. While that stage list is MOSTLY neutral, it is not neutral all the time. And I'm gonna have a really hard time convincing, for example, a diddy player to not let it random when he knows it could come up with FD and give him a huge advantage. And the entire system is defeated if I end up on a stage that puts me at a huge disadvantage in the first game of a set.
blue are stages that I could take or leave, and if enough people take issue, i dont mind banning them.Distant Planet
Green Greens
Pokémon Stadium 2
Jungle Japes
Pictochat
Hanenbow (Doubles only)
So your counter argument is...there are characters even more broken on FD than diddy is. Okay, cool. How exactly does that support random neutrals?Diddy is not autowin on FD,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93wxSc8JoCc
learn that and youll be begging diddys to go to fd. lol...
fd is actually a really bad idea for some of diddys matchups as far as I can tell, since they are one of the best stages for sonic, falco, and rob, the latter 2 of which do very well vs diddy. people only think diddy is amazing on fd because most diddys fight a lot of mks, and fd is mks worst stage.
so...when someone gets screwed by random neutrals giving them the worst possible stage for a matchup, they should be cheered up by the fact that they had an equal chance of the other person getting screwed? But you're only playing one set, so if you get screwed by random, then you're basically playing a set where your opponent got 2 counterpicks. That's fair?Ics on fd.
Yea, thats really gay, but at the same time as far as im concerned, smashville is one of the strongest counterpicks AGAINST the ics in the game. so you have an equal chance of getting possibly the best and the worst stage for your character in the game, seems pretty fair to me.
I knew someone was going to say "nobody plays olimar". SO WHAT. You don't know what random kids are gonna show up. If you're gonna be a good TO you need to think about the larger picture.and since when is olimar on yoshis such a great idea? nobody here even plays olimar, so that seems like a doubly moot point to me.
So your counter argument is...there are characters even more broken on FD than diddy is. Okay, cool. How exactly does that support random neutrals?
What if you are playing a matchup where the opponent ***** you on 3 of the 5 stages and you can only strike 2? your screwed regardless, theres a way to get screwed in every system, I just happen to think this system screws people less in the big picture (that thing you said I was out of touch with) because in a practical setting, theres going to be a large number of people playing metaknight and random neutrals gives the opponent a chance to fight him on FD as opposed to letting him get a free pass to never play on a stage that give the opponent a decent chance...so...when someone gets screwed by random neutrals giving them the worst possible stage for a matchup, they should be cheered up by the fact that they had an equal chance of the other person getting screwed? But you're only playing one set, so if you get screwed by random, then you're basically playing a set where your opponent got 2 counterpicks. That's fair?
I knew someone was going to say "nobody plays olimar". SO WHAT. You don't know what random kids are gonna show up. If you're gonna be a good TO you need to think about the larger picture.
And newsflash, platforms are AMAZING for olimar. His upsmash *****, and platforms protect him from aerial approaches. He can camp the middle of yoshi's all day and most characters can't do **** about it. Granted I don't know a lot about pikmin pull percentages and stuff so maybe yoshi's isn't a good stage for him in that regard.
Except when those characters that beat Diddy on FD play a non-diddy on FD....
you say, "Diddy is broken on FD, so if a character can beat him there, that means they are even more broken which is bad"
I say, "Diddy is broken on FD, but if a character can beat him there, that means its not as broken as I thought, which is good"
Name some matchups that 3 out of 5 neutrals are going to be terrible for one player. And then tell me how it's bad that you get to pick which one of those 3 neutrals you actually play on against that character. Yes, you're at a disadvantage, BUT you get to determine the exact form that disadvantage takes.What if you are playing a matchup where the opponent ***** you on 3 of the 5 stages and you can only strike 2? your screwed regardless, theres a way to get screwed in every system, I just happen to think this system screws people less in the big picture (that thing you said I was out of touch with) because in a practical setting, theres going to be a large number of people playing metaknight and random neutrals gives the opponent a chance to fight him on FD as opposed to letting him get a free pass to never play on a stage that give the opponent a decent chance...
So olimar likes 75% of the stages, you like 25% of the stages, and this is fair?
battlefield has platforms.
smashville has a moving platform,
yoshis has a platform, this is one of those situations where if platforms are really that good for olimar I would like a chance to get fd on random so that he doesnt get to over power me with platforms.
see? fair.
No.
Striking is the most widely accepted and easiest method for doing starters IMO, but I don't recall ever saying that it MUST be stage strikingthe solution to the problem you are presenting is not stage striking
ICs on FD arent really that great in my opinion. Its good against certain match ups such as Mk, Marth, ike and dk and more. But its terrible for certain match ups. Diddy vs IC on fd is really good for diddy. Snake vs IC is already 70-30 on FD it probably becomes a 75-25 to 80-20.No.
And mana you're pretty close with the 100:0 statement when it's IC's on FD. Obviously it's still player dependant, but a really good IC's is gonna get grabs on FD unless you play literally perfectly for an entire game, or plank I suppose
Stages have a pretty high impact on a lot of matchups, that's like 90% of the reason that counterpicking exists. I don't see why myself or my opponent should be given a free counterpick in the first game of a set due to luck.