Step aside Lil' Mac; Knuckles the Echidna punches in!

[Gimj]

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KNUCKLES THE ECHIDNA ​

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Who?​

Knuckles is the anthropomorphic, 16-year-old red echidna from the Sonic the Hedgehog series. He is the last guardian of the Master Emerald, a powerful ancient relic which is his solemn duty to protect from anyone who wants to abuse it or its usage. For a long time, he was thought to be the last of the echidna race, until the Nocturnus Clan was revealed to still be active. His dominant traits are his superhuman strength, and the two spike-like knuckles on each of his hands, from which his name is derived from, that he can use to dig with and climb up walls with ease. He can also trap the wind under his dreadlocks to glide through the air.

A loner by nature, Knuckles is independent, headstrong and serious, yet gullible and short-tempered to a fault. He is fully devoted to his duty, spending most of his time on Angel Island protecting the Master Emerald, and rarely cares for anything else. When his friends and others are in need of his help, however, Knuckles can always be relied on being willing to leave his post and prove himself as a true and good-hearted hero. He is also one of Sonic's oldest friends and rivals.

What?

Glad you asked! Knuckles will be a powerhouse with unseen techniques and unique abilities. He will behave for the most part like a stereotypical heavy-weight with a few differences. One, he is not large like usual powerhouses such as Bowser, Ganondorf, and King Dedede or even Ike. Two, he will run very fast, most likely being the second fastest character in the game; behind Sonic of course. Appropriately, he could have major acceleration issues for the sake of balancing, unlike Sonic. Three, he will have great recovery and yes I know not all heavyweights have horrid recovery. That brings me to my last point, namely his weight. Knuckles will be the lightest powerhouse in the game. He weighs in at 88lbs, and Sonic weighs 77lbs...so logically he would be very slightly heavier than Sonic, but not by much. With all this in mind, what would a moveset look like? Let's take a look:

MOVESET:

B Moves:

Up B - Spiral Upper
Knuckles spins with knuckles pointed horizontal to the ground. This spiral traps enemies in while ascending with Knuckles. Each spin is damaging in short succession until he reaches the peak of his rise and finishes with an uppercut with moderate damage but high knockback
(Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Adventure 2: Battle, Sonic Advance 3 - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Spiral_Upper)
Visual below:

*In air - Same concept


Neutral B - Drill Claw/Dig
In air -(Drill Claw)Similar to Spiral Upper, but downward. Knuckles instantly spirals directly downwards(fists pointing downwards) at an alarming rate, locking in, damaging, and descending with any enemies in the vortex. If B is held after impact with ground, Knuckles will Dig.
(Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Adventure 2: Battle, Sonic Advance 2, Sonic Advance 3 - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Drill_Claw)
Visual below:

*Drill Claw can be canceled by letting go of B
*Can move left and right slightly while in Drill Claw with the control stick

On ground -(Dig) Knuckles burrows into the stage(by Drill Claw from the air, by curling into a ball by ground) and may reappear at a different place as determined by the control stick. Knuckles emerges to deliver an uppercut to those directly above him. Again, these mechanics are identical to the teleportation mechanics of Mewtwo/Zelda/Shiek/MetaKnight.
(Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Generations - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Dig)
Visual below:

*There is only so far Knuckles can go when he is digging, it has limits.


Side B - Spin Dash
Similar to Sonic's Down-B, except it may be charged by simply holding B. Knuckles travels a tad bit slower and cannot jump out of it like Sonic. However, Knuckles' spin dash does considerably more damage, has higher priority, and can KO at decent percentages, and he may turn around and still be rolling like Sonic.
Demonstration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbkYxmjr2IY


Down B - Hammer Punch
On ground - After a short delay, Knuckles jumps up and punches the ground with an immense force, causing tremors; enemies on the same grounding take damage and get knocked in the direction of the control stick.
(Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Hammer_Punch)
Visual below:

*Doesn't work in air
*If no input, then the foe(s) simply fall down
*Control stick input must be before the impact, similar to a teleportation mechanics.


Ground Moves:
Neutral A(3 presses) - Jab, Cross, Uppercut
Knuckles punches his foe(s) once with each hand, then finishes with a fiery slightly-rising uppercut. Knocks enemies upward.
(Sonic Advance - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Punch_Attack#Sonic_Advance)
Visual below:

U-tilt - Knuckles Upper
Knuckles does a large sweeping uppercut. Enemies that are in front of him are knocked above him. Enemies above him in the air, get hit upward.
(Sonic Battle: http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Kuckles_Upper)
Visual below:

Side-tilt - Double Punch
Knuckles uses both his knuckles at the same time to shove enemies back. Good knockback and damage, slight delay in startup and some ending lag.
(Sonic Battle - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Double_Punch_(skill)
Visual below:

Down-tilt - Low Blow
Knuckles sweeps his opponents leg area with a low punch, causing them to fall down at higher percentages.

Up Smash - Tornado Claw
Jumps into the air while delivering a twisting uppercut with his left fist. Knuckles punches anyone above him or closely in front of him. Good damage and knockback, but high ending lag.
(Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Adventure 2: Battle -http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Punch_Attack#Sonic_Adventure_2_and_Sonic_Adventure2:_Battle)
Visual below:

Side Smash - Deep Impact
As a wink to Sonic's forward smash, Knuckles charges up a punch while circling his fist. Knuckles performs a punch which is so powerful that it causes friction with the air, creating a small explosion.
(Sonic Battle - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Deep_Impact)
Demonstration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK_1LQRtigQ&t=0m08s



Down Smash - Megaton Hook
Knuckles swings around a full 360 degrees to deliver a hook punch. Large knockback and range, moderate damage.
(Sonic Battle - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Megaton_Hook)
Visual below:

Demonstration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK_1LQRtigQ&t=0m36s
Running Attack - Dash Punch
Knuckles punches while running without losing speed until he finishes the punch. This leaves a red trail and creates a red energy field around him briefly. This can be used to punch through many projectiles.
(Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure DX, Sonic Heroes - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Punch_Attack)
Visual below:

Grabs:
Knuckle grabs their collar like a bully would with one hand.
Pummel: Knuckles elbows foe with his idle arm.

Up Throw - Thunder Arrow
Knuckles throws his foe in the air with both hands then shortly after points to the mid-air target and uses Thunder Arrow. This shock strikes 3 times in short succession and each shock gives vertical knockback. The last shock gives the greatest vertical knockback. These shocks last just long enough for follow-up.
(Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Thunder_Arrow )

Forward Throw - Fire Dunk
Knuckles holds them in his large hands while the foe acts like his "volleyball." Then, by jumping into mid-air, he releases them by "serving" them forward with such force that they turn into fireballs briefly. This can be used for gimping.
(Sonic Heroes - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Fire_Dunk)
Demonstration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HW4Ra8QxK4&t=2m31s)

Back Throw
As knuckles curls his free arm around the opponent, he turns around and rolls them with a great force as if they were a bowling ball.

Down Throw
Knuckles grabs them with both hands and slams them against the ground. Next, he jumps above them and performs a Drill Claw on them for a short period; damaging them rapidly.

Aerial Moves:

Knuckles has the ability to use Glide.
Knuckles has the ability to Wall Cling.

Gliding Attack - Spiral Attack
Knuckles spins horizontally with fists in front of him while leaving a fiery trail without losing speed until he finishes.
(Sonic Advance 2 - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Double_Punch#Spiral_Attack)


Neutral A - Spin Attack
Almost identical to Sonic's neutral A, but with different values based on Knuckles' playstyle.

Forward A - Knuckles Chop
Knuckles executes a downward chop that can serve as a meteor smash if sweet-spotted.
(Sonic Battle - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Knuckles_Chop)
Visual below:

Down A - Meteor Punch
Knuckles swings his fists downwards to slam opponents into the ground. As name suggests, this too can serve as a meteor smash.
(Sonic Battle - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Meteor_Punch)
Visual below:

-(Alternative)Stationary Drill Claw
Essentially a Drill Claw, but stationary. This could be seen as Sonic's Forward A just pointing Knuckles' fists towards the ground. Behaves similarly to Sonic's Forward A.

Back A - Body Blow
Knuckles glides backwards briefly while standing upright. Using this momentum, he slams the foe(s) behind him with his body and back.


Shielding Pose: Knuckles Guard
Knuckles guards his face by rising his fist to brace himself for impact
(Sonic Battle - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Knuckles_Guard)
Visual below:

Fighting Stance: Knuckles Style
Knuckles rocks back and forth whilst moving his fists.
(Sonic Battle - http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Knuckles_Style)
Visual below:

Where?

So where does Knuckles fit into all of this you might ask? Well Knuckles will be the first, second representative of a third-party franchise in the Super Smash Bros series. I believe this is not a "willy-nilly" addition, since Sega and Nintendo have been working in cohesion for quite some time with a number of Mario+Sonic characters to boot. I think adding a second, fan-favorite character of the Sonic series will show even greater respect for Sega and their franchise. Knuckles,as a longtime rival and best friend of Sonic fits seamlessly into the Super Smash Bros franchise. He's the fighter of the series, with so many fighting moves it's almost as if he fits in better than Sonic himself!

But where are your arguments, readers? I challenge you to list any, and every argument against his addition to the next Super Smash Bros...I will start!

ARGUMENTS:

- What about Tails? Do you really think Knuckles will be able to join before Sonic's first best friend? He is much more deserving.

Response: I hope so. Look, Tails is not a fighter like Knuckles and even Sonic, so that's one point to Knuckles. I'm aware that in and of itself doesn't work, but it's worth considering. Tails, the vast majority of the time, is portrayed as a scared, but loyal friend of Sonic who is almost dependent on him. Most of his fighting, if he does fight is done by machinery...as his specialty is building things. I reiterate, none of this shows Tails will not be in; virtually any character in existence can fight in Super Smash Bros. All I am trying to show is that Knuckles fits the "fighting" aspect, or main aspect of the game much much better. I would not be surprised if we got both Tails and Knuckles to complete the trio of heroes from the Sonic franchise. This is by far the best argument against Knuckles getting in, even I feel that Knuckles would be pushed aside in favor of Tails.
Also, DLC.

- He's not really that popular.

Response: According to http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Knuckles_the_Echidna, he is the fourth most popular character of the Series, and has been out since Sonic the Hedgehog 3. Any person who has played video games with tiny comittment has known, heard of, or seen Knuckles before. Popularity doesn't necessarily indicate entry anyway, Game & Watch, Pit, Wolf are all not "that popular" but seem very fitting in Super Smash Bros.

- This is a Nintendo game, you can't just add another Sonic character. Sakurai doesn't want the focus of the game to be third-party characters nor Sonic.

While this is reasonable, it fails to prove that adding a third, third-party character will definitively make the game "lose focus" of the Nintendo characters. Brawl added 2 third-party characters for the first debut of third-party characters in the Super Smash Bros franchise. So it's not much of a stretch to add one more; it's less than the amount Brawl added and still is consistent with a "lessening" of third-party additions.

- He's too big.

Response: True.

(remember, you can add, improve, or debunk any arguments here. speak up!)

When?

Knuckles was originally created and designed by Takashi Thomas Yuda during the conception of Sonic the Hedgehog 3. The development team wanted to create a new rival for Sonic who had an emphasis on the ability to break walls. The final design of Knuckles was the result of dozens of possible designs inspired by numerous different animals. Knuckles's shoes are based on the color of the Jamaican flag, and he has the Jamaican look as well. Knuckles was originally to be created with a Jamaican accent. Although his first appearance was in Sonic the Hedgehog 3, his first appearance in Super Smash Bros was suprisingly in the latest addition; Brawl. If all goes according to plan, he will enter the fray in the fourth installment of Super Smash Bros.

Why?

Knuckles is one of my favorite video-game characters of all time, and he seems to have all the necessary qualifications to be added to Super Smash Bros 4. He's a brawler with pre-made abilities for the picking that can literally be copy and pasted into SSB4. Not to mention all his unique ones that could bring something new to the fray, such as Dig and Hammer Punch. His playstyle would be a never before seen fighting style, a light-powerhouse with great running speed. I've always had the due respect of Tails being before Knuckles, but I honestly think Knuckles's badassery and fitting design scream for an addition to Sm4sh. He would be such a pleasant surprise, I think, to everyone who buys the game. He isn't just another happy-go-lucky-friend of Sonic, but a strong,silent-typed, loner who's man enough to rival Sonic and attempt to outdo him. He has been in good relations with Mario and the gang for quite a few games now...and he seems to even be part of Nintendo, I feel.

Would you like to see Knuckles in the fray? Or would you rather him be excluded? Do you possibly think it's more fitting or likely to have Tails and Knuckles added? Post below and thanks for reading!

 

[Autumn ♫]

I support. While it's unlikely we will get a 2nd Sonic character, I would love to see him added into SSB4

 

[Sobreviviente]

No, but him over shadow and silver any day, and could also be one of the most fun characters to use.
BUT NOOOOO!!!!

I like how you give him sonic moves nice moveset.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Cool OP but....

This part kinda ruins it for me...

- What about Tails? Do you really think Knuckles will be able to join before Sonic's first best friend? He is much more deserving.

Response: I hope so. Look, Tails is not a fighter like Knuckles and even Sonic, so that's one point to Knuckles. Yes he is... He's seen more action than Knuckles actually if you count all the times where Tails has fought enemies of any kind. I'm aware that in and of itself doesn't work, Good. but it's worth considering.Not really. Tails, the vast majority of the time, is portrayed as a scared, but loyal friend of Sonic who is almost dependent on him. Like ? Because he got in just fine. Moreover, Tails is rarely cowardly, often doing things just as dangerous as Sonic, Knuckles, Shadow, etc. Most of his fighting, if he does fight is done by machinery Not true actually. Machinery is a big part of his character but he has plenty of moves without it.....as his specialty is building things. You realize that could make a whole interesting moveset by itself, right? I reiterate, none of this shows Tails will not be in; virtually any character in existence can fight in Super Smash Bros. <----- This is important. It virtually destroys your entire argument. All I am trying to show is that Knuckles fits the "fighting" aspect, or main aspect of the game much much better. A character doesn't have to fit the "fighting" aspect at all. I mean, c'mon! We got I would not be surprised if we got both Tails and Knuckles to complete the trio of heroes from the Sonic franchise. I would, but only because there won't be that many third party characters from one company, let alone franchise. However, if we did get more than the trio would be top priority methinks. This is by far the best argument against Knuckles getting in, even I feel that Knuckles would be pushed aside in favor of Tails. Exactly. I've just never liked Tails, ever. Not a good thing to include in an argument.

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My responses are in red.

Now, I know I seem harsh here, but I'm trying to help.

This section should be taken out of the OP methinks. The argument is flawed and weak.

However, a better argument would be to state why BOTH Tails and Knuckles are good ideas. There doesn't have to be competition here. Especially, since Knuckles will most likely lose many debates compared to Tails, Shadow or even Eggman. Making competition isn't going to help your movement in this case. My thoughts on that.

I would also recommend improving the third argument. What you're going to get is a lot of "one character per third party company," stuff. Which is a reasonable and frankly is a very likely scenario. I'd recommend getting some stronger arguments for that point.



Still, good OP, especially for your first one.

 

[SonicMario]

If it was possible to have a 2nd Sonic character, I'd rather have Tails. But I'd take Knuckles over Shadow in a heartbeat if Tails couldn't happen.

Just that overall a 2nd Sonic character isn't likely at the moment. And perhaps never will be for as long as Sonic is still 3rd Party (Though I personally think as long as Sonic keeps getting return appearences in the franchise, the possibility of a 2nd Sonic character will raise slightly. I could see a 2nd Sonic character being in SSB5 if there's none in SSB4)

 

[Gimj]

Cool OP but....

This part kinda ruins it for me...

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My responses are in red.

Now, I know I seem harsh here, but I'm trying to help.

This section should be taken out of the OP methinks. The argument is flawed and weak.

However, a better argument would be to state why BOTH Tails and Knuckles are good ideas. There doesn't have to be competition here. Especially, since Knuckles will most likely lose many debates compared to Tails, Shadow or even Eggman. Making competition isn't going to help your movement in this case. My thoughts on that.

I would also recommend improving the third argument. What you're going to get is a lot of "one character per third party company," stuff. Which is a reasonable and frankly is a very likely scenario. I'd recommend getting some stronger arguments for that point.



Still, good OP, especially for your first one.

Harsh indeed. I sorta made the argument section on the fly, it wasn't really planned out. Notice though they are responses, not necessarily arguments designed to destroy the aforementioned arguments. All I'm trying to showcase is the backlash one should expect when supporting Knuckles and possible viewpoints/counterpoints on each matter. However, I think you do miss the point on some things.

Yes he is... He's seen more action than Knuckles actually if you count all the times where Tails has fought enemies of any kind.

Not necessarily. The amount of fights one gets in does nothing to say if the character in question is actually a "fighter." When I say Knuckles is a fighter, I mean his personality and design has the predisposition or affinity towards battle/fighting. This is what I mean when I say "Knuckles fits the main aspect (fighting) more than Tails." For example, through various circumstances, I could be forced to battle enemies in some pursuit of a greater good. However, I still could have the innate sense of not liking to fight/not having the affinity for it, and therefore NOT be a fighter. So, Knuckles' character design, personality, and tendencies all point towards fighting or wanting to fight. As I said later in the OP, this is all I'm trying to demonstrate. Also, Tails existed before Knuckles so it is to be expected that he has seen more battle.

Yes, you don't need to be a fighter to be in smash, but it certainly makes for a more fitting character; it's a fighting game. Unsurprisingly, most characters on the roster are fighters. You are dead wrong about the Star Fox crew not being fighters, they most certainly are. Even without them, there is still a majority of 26 fighters. The "non-fighters" are in the minority.

However, a better argument would be to state why BOTH Tails and Knuckles are good ideas. There doesn't have to be competition here. Especially, since Knuckles will most likely lose many debates compared to Tails, Shadow or even Eggman. Making competition isn't going to help your movement in this case. My thoughts on that.

I would also recommend improving the third argument. What you're going to get is a lot of "one character per third party company," stuff. Which is a reasonable and frankly is a very likely scenario. I'd recommend getting some stronger arguments for that point.

Duly noted. I definitely can say more about the above two topics, but this was done over a couple days so I will refine it later with that in mind.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Yes, you don't need to be a fighter to be in smash, but it certainly makes for a more fitting character; it's a fighting game. Unsurprisingly, most characters on the roster are fighters.

What defines a fighter though? The thing is, it's a subjective label. Before we go any farther, could you give me you definition of a fighter?

Because to me, the characters that fit that mold to me are...



The characters I listed are skilled in combat, and have a notable fighting spirit. Even so... I'm kinda iffy on including and .

You are dead wrong about the Star Fox crew not being fighters, they most certainly are.

The Starfox Crew was brought up because they don't fight outside of Arwings at the time of their inclusion. Error of communication there. My bad.

 

[Gimj]

What defines a fighter though? The thing is, it's a subjective label. Before we go any farther, could you give me you definition of a fighter?

Because to me, the characters that fit that mold to me are...



The characters I listed are skilled in combat, and have a notable fighting spirit. Even so... I'm kinda iffy on including and .




The Starfox Crew was brought up because they don't fight outside of Arwings at the time of their inclusion. Error of communication there. My bad.

I'll just quote myself:

When I say Knuckles is a fighter, I mean his personality and design has the predisposition or affinity towards battle/fighting.

So when you look at that definition, then look at the majority of characters in SSB, it applies. Most of them, in essence, have some liking for or readiness to battle and are designed for such. Here are others you left out that seem to me to be fighters:

: There is nothing about DK that definitively says he is not a fighter. He battles Kremlings and bosses to save his friends in DK 64 and was willing to do so. He is known for being powerful and has actual fighting techniques in his games. He seems to be a fighter, even though he is a "laid-back ape."
: Goes on missions in many games partnering with DK defeating foes. He too shows no apprehensiveness about fighting and may enjoy it, he's known for having a peanut gun and basically wants to be DK.

Since the above two have nothing showing they are not fighters, but fight foes all the time, they are fighters. It's their main purpose in most of their games.

: He may not have the "let's fight" personality like Knuckles, but he too is willing to fight in every circumstance I know of. He helped baby mario by defeating foes, has his own game Yoshi's Story in which all he does is fight. Like DK, he has official fighting techniques to defeat foes(Egg throw, tounge, ground pound).

: They both have games in which they fight and have originated in fighting of some kind...be it each other or something else. Wario often bullies others with his strength. Mario often fights Koopas, Goombas, and Bowser to save his princess. Mario might not punch and kick all the time, but he fights, a lot.

As a note, I still see Knuckles as "more of a fighter" than the ones listed so far because it's simply in his personality to fight and it is explicitly stated that he likes to do it. Also, you look at him and know what his purpose is, mostly unlike the ones previously listed. However, these listed so far still seem to me to be characters designed for and who have some affinity towards fighting. There are varying "degrees" of being a fighter.

: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhMC7K-yNrI

: Pikachu is always willing to fight for Ash in the anime, and fighting is one of his main purposes in the games. Pikachu doesn't not like to fight and is rather good at it. He is a harvester of electricity and is able to fire it at his foes.

All the PKMN Trainer wants to do is fight, to become the best trainer and get all the PKMN(by fighting). He fights indirectly, sure, but he has a fighting spirit and is designed to fight with his PKMN.

: Fights in his game and has psychic abilities that are used to fight. Goes on journeys battling many enemies, and there is nothing to say he doesn't like to fight. Again, designed around fighting.

: I really don't feel I need to explain myself here. Sonic is a fighter, he just doesn't look like one necessarily and doesn't have the love for it like Knuckles.


I'll give you Olimar, Jigglypuff, and even Lucas as a "maybe so" freebie. Still, there are a majority of fighters.

All these characters have some things in common:

- Have fought in more than one game.
- They all originated in fighting of some kind.
- To their most recent games, they are still fighting.
- Don't ever not want to fight, or show a dislike of a fighting.
- Have fighting skill, even if unorthodox (psychic abilities, tounge/eggthrow)
- Possibly even enjoy fighting, just not explicitly shown(that I know of).

Knuckles has the look, personality, design, and origins in fighting. I think he is pretty much the epitome of a fighter, which is why I still stand by my claim that he is "fits" more than Tails. He fits the Super Smash Bros game more than the vast majority of other characters. This is not to say the others are not fighters, just not totally encompassing "fighting" like Knuckles does.

 

[Louie G.]

I support.
Knuckles is my favorite Sonic character.
I would only be okay with another Sonic character if it's Knuckles.

 

[SmashBro99]

I support.
Knuckles is my favorite Sonic character.
I would only be okay with another Sonic character if it's Knuckles.

This.

ANOTHER "punchy" character that would be more fun than Little Mac, since he can't glide, scale walls, drill claw...etc etc

 

[tc1]

I'm waiting the dojo to release him!! ughh.. Please!
I'll main him.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Is this the new LIVING EMBODIMENT OF ROID RAGE? Or old Knuckles?

 

[APC99]

Do they ALLOW use of steroids in the Smash Bros. competition?

 

[Deleted member]

Do they ALLOW use of steroids in the Smash Bros. competition?

I will only accept Knuckles if he's like this.

....and if his legs were like 50 feet long.

 

[Sehnsucht]

I will only accept Knuckles if he's like this.

....and if his legs were like 50 feet long.

They might as well rename him Legs the Echidna.

 

[Deleted member]

They might as well rename him Legs the Echidna.

"Oh hey, shorties!"

 

[ErenJager]

Support, best second sonic rep in my opinion.

Why do I feel like a necromancer?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Nah, he's too hotheaded for Smash. I'm thinking he'll make it into Smash in the fifth installment though. Never say never!

 

[HeavyLobster]

Do they ALLOW use of steroids in the Smash Bros. competition?

Ike seems to be juicing, so I guess there isn't any system of pre-match testing in place.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

To be honest, I originally wanted Knuckles to be in the game as an assist trophy that does what Little Mac did in Brawl, but now that we've seen Shadow return as an assist trophy already, it's a pipe dream.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

To be honest, I originally wanted Knuckles to be in the game as an assist trophy that does what Little Mac did in Brawl, but now that we've seen Shadow return as an assist trophy already, it's a pipe dream.

Nothing says a franchise (even a 3rd Party one) can't get another assist trophy.

 

[GunGunW]

I'd be in support of Knuckles getting in Smash 4!

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Nothing says a franchise (even a 3rd Party one) can't get another assist trophy.

It doesn't matter, they're still not a Nintendo franchise (for now at least), and shouldn't really be expected to get a second assist trophy in a Nintendo all star game.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Heh, normally I dont bring him up because I thought it was the common opinion was that 3rd parties shouldnt get second reps. But if we were to get another Sonic character, I would really have to have Knuckles or Tails. Knuckles perhaps a bit more because of his different fighting style over Sonic and attitude. He doesn't chuckle and he likes to flex his muscles.

Tails would also be cool since his Sonic Battle appearance gave him a very good moveset (plus Tails Adventure) and he is the sidekick to go for Sonic. Thinking about who deserves it more, I think Tails would win the spot.

As for other candidates. Never been a fan of Shadow, though he was the fit choice for a clone of Sonic, but Im glad that ship has sailed with his AT. And Eggman appearance is deserving but as a stage boss probably. He could go as a character in a mech but then we would need a Dr. Wily too and that is just silly.

One last thing, thinking since the Sonic stage this time is Lost Worlds inspired. I really hope there little or none appearance of the Deadly Six, never liked those fellas.

 

[Masonomace]

Oh. My. Hotness. Gimj. Your OP killed it!

Please put me on the supporters list if there is one.

I'd discuss about a good move-set for Nakkurus, but the suggestions I would of gave out before clicking your OP was SA2B, Sonic Battle, & Sonic Fighters. But there's no need since you covered it sowell!

Edit: Knuckles has playable character potential, gliding is frowned upon since it was apparently a removed mechanic, but not according to Palutena's jump glide. . .

The next-best case scenario is Sonic characters being AT's, which is very likely since Sakurai said he was going to make as many Assist Trophies as he could.

 

[BravadoMan_13]

I know it won't happen due to the whole 3rd parties having only one rep, but I would love to see Knuckles playable in Smash. He has a lot of potential based on his past games. Knuckles could possibly be an AT in the game and could be effective in that regard. Tails and Knuckles are probably the only two Sonic characters that I would want in Smash because they have been important and mainstay characters since the Genesis days.

 

[Gimj]

I would actually be really happy if Knuckles got AT status, I was pretty disappointed just seeing him run in the background with Tails on Green Hill Zone.

I'm honestly hoping for a Dr Eggman boss appearance I think it would be sweet. I wish that Nintendo would just buy Sega...Knuckles/Tails would be a shoe-in.

 

[Masonomace]

We've only seen one AT pertaining to Sonic, Shadow. Megaman has ElecMan for an AT too. I'm hoping there's more AT's for the 3rd party characters than just one.

Everything starts out small, Sonic's Green Hill Zone had Silver, Tails, & Knuckles running the loop in the BG. Small things rise up & get more big, eventually being playable-worthy.

 

[Gimj]

We've only seen one AT pertaining to Sonic, Shadow. Megaman has ElecMan for an AT too. I'm hoping there's more AT's for the 3rd party characters than just one.

Everything starts out small, Sonic's Green Hill Zone had Silver, Tails, & Knuckles running the loop in the BG. Small things rise up & get more big, eventually being playable-worthy.

That's what my train of thought was too. Here's to hoping!

 

[Masonomace]

That's what my train of thought was too. Here's to hoping!

To hoping!

Oh right to add on to, Knuckles juiced in Sonic Boom would be his look, but Sakurai would probably find it strange to implement them legs. Despite all that, Enjoy:
http://youtu.be/1Sp4HdRE3q4?t=1m23s​

Edit:
Featuring notable mechanics / moves:
Diggin / Burrowing
Wake-up / Uppercut which is acommon Knuckles tactic
Charge-able forward motion punch which is a common thing in Smash Bros., further proving one point of Knuckles being more of a Smas Bros. fighter.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I would actually be really happy if Knuckles got AT status, I was pretty disappointed just seeing him run in the background with Tails on Green Hill Zone.

I'm honestly hoping for a Dr Eggman boss appearance I think it would be sweet. I wish that Nintendo would just buy Sega...Knuckles/Tails would be a shoe-in.

It's just that I don't really like Knuckles that I wanted him as an AT. Nintendo acquiring SEGA however is pretty likely, Iwata already made clear his desire to purchase some companies to expand Nintendo's influence, and SEGA may as well be the first to go. I do expect it to happen, but I don't want it solely to be just about Smash, i just want to see some of SEGA's other franchises introduced to Nintendo, and maybe a Sonic HD collection.

But overall, here's hoping that Knuckles has a better role at the very least if possible, even if he's an assist trophy.