Meta SSB4 Falco Matchup Discussion 57 - Bayonetta - To the Moon

Ffamran

The Phantom Link
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Welcome to the Bayonetta matchup discussion.

Falco and Bayonetta.png

All credit goes to Quas-quas for the original images.​

Here's a link to the main post: SSB4 Falco Matchup Discussion - Main Post. This will be more for general matchup discussions like making a suggestion and such. Or, you could head over to the social thread and ask there: Where We Prefer The Air And The Points Don't Matter!. Or PM me if you really have to, but don't make a habit out of it.

Oh, and if you guys and girls want to play each other to have fun or learn about the MU, check out the NNID and FC sharing thread on the Falco boards: http://smashboards.com/threads/anyone-want-to-exchange-nnids-or-friend-codes.386513/.

There's also the regular NNID and FC sharing threads in the Online discussion if you just want to ask anyone to play.

Notice: Some rules, guidelines, and tips. Some of these are a given since you joined any forum.

1. Be respectful of each other. No insults, no trolling, no flaming, or any of that nonsense.
2. Be aware that some of the discussions can and will be old, so don't call out someone for "wrong" data if that post was referring to say, patch 1.0.3 stuff.
3. Be impartial; learn to see things from other sides. So, don't boast about all the advantages. Notice weaknesses and strengths from both parties.
4. Stay on topic.
5. Have fun.

And here is a frame speed ranking of their regular attacks and grabs - no Specials yet, sorry - to clear up on things since sometimes a move may feel slow, but it's actually fast and vice versa. Plus more information doesn't always hurt. Data from Crescent Valley: Umbra Witch Data and Research Depository by @BJN39 and http://sixriver.web.fc2.com/ssb4/Character_data.htm - search for ベヨネッタ.

As of patch 1.1.4.
Move Hit Frames :4falco: :4bayonetta:
Jab 2-4, 10-12, 17-21, 22-26, 27-31, 32-36, (infinite), 41-42 9-12, 25-27, 40-41, (infinite), (finisher)
Dash Attack 8-11 or 12-19 15-20 or 21-26
Ftilt 6-8 12, 26, 43-44
Utilt 5-9, 12-16 7-8 or 9-10
Dtilt 7-9 7-9
Side Smash 17-19 or 20-20 19-21
Up Smash 7-12, 13-20 18-19 or 20-21 or 22-23
Down Smash 7-9 20-21 (Bayonetta) or 25 or 26-27 (Wicked Weave)
Nair 3-5, 6-9, 14-17, 21-24 9-17 or 18-25 or 26- ∞ (Bullet Art)
Fair 10-13, 14-17, 18-21, 22-25, 26-27, 28-29 7-9, 18-20, 35-38
Bair 4-5 or 6-11 11-14
Uair 7-11 9-18 or 21- ∞ (Bullet Arts)
Dair 16-19 or 20-31 18-24 or 25-35
Grab 8-9 7-8
Dash Grab 10-11 9-10
Pivot Grab 11-12 10-11
 
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Ralugi

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Bayonetta tears Falco a new one from my experience. Her approach has many more options, and her combo game along with Falco's weird weight properties turn him into combo fodder. Perhaps 40-60?

I can only see Falco winning if the witch makes any sort of mistake, which would already be difficult to punish. Not to mention Falco's multihits are easy pickings for WT.
 
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