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Sorry kids, here's why Geno won't get in. The good news? Krystal might.

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Well, It didn't get playable(sadly:()but it still got in as a pokeball(pokemon gts so manny res anyway includng pokeballs) But Gardevoir got a reletivly small fabase compared o Geno and wasn't as popular in the series as some of theother PKMN( namly Gallade)
Geno has played the role of Cameo in another game, he could come as an AT cameo also.
 

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You're missing the point. This game is (or was) suppose to be a NINTENDO character only game.

Sakurai broke that rule already twice adding Sonic and Snake. But at least both those characters shared a history with Nintendo. What has Cloud or Sora done for Nintendo? What interesting history have they shared with Nintendo? None. The only thing that could be said for both is that they were in a GBA game. And that is not enough. I'm sorry to say that this isn't my opinion, this is fact.
I'm sorry, but what is Snake's big meaningful story with Nintendo? The creator begged for his inclusion? Please and when was it established that a GBA game wasn't enough to get a character in Brawl? Pure fan made crap, that isn't fact at all.

It's true that adding a character like Sora or Cloud will probably double, even triple, SSBB's sales. But I say once again, this is a Nintendo character only game and most of us seem to be forgetting that.
You really need to stop trying to establish fan made rules as actual fact, appearing on a Nintendo system is the only condition and this game is based on sales and advertising, not on piling up tons of retro characters to bring up videogamer nostalgia, that's why they come in small amounts.

Being that Geno was created by SE for the sole purpose of being in Mario game, he is, realisticly, the only SE character capable of being in Smash at this point.
No

one of the best SE characters out there along with Chrono, Sora and Cloud.
Geno one of the best? When he is not even the lead, when he is not making money for SE anymore? It's a real slap in the face to Square to be approached to get a character in Brawl that not only doesn't represent anything to them anymore but on top of that is not even part of their most important series like Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest or Kingdom Hearts, you gotta be kidding me if you think Geno represents Square-Enix.


And no, I'm not against Geno, I'd love to see him in, but please, to say he is the best representative for Square Enix is preposterous.
 

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I'm sorry, but what is Snake's big meaningful story with Nintendo? The creator begged for his inclusion? Please and when was it established that a GBA game wasn't enough to get a character in Brawl? Pure fan made crap, that isn't fact at all.



You really need to stop trying to establish fan made rules as actual fact, appearing on a Nintendo system is the only condition and this game is based on sales and advertising, not on piling up tons of retro characters to bring up videogamer nostalgia.



No



Geno one of the best? When he is not even the lead, when he is not making money for SE anymore? It's a real slap in the face to Square to be approached to get a character in Brawl that not only doesn't represent anything to them anymore but on top of that is not even part of their most important series like Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest or Kingdom Hearts, you gotta be kidding me if you think Geno represents Square-Enix.


And no, I'm not against Geno, I'd love to see him in, but please, to say he is the best representative for Square Enix is preposterous.
I'm gonna grill the crap outta this post! It's the perfect revenge!

Basically what your saying is that Cloud has a chance. Man whatever, he's been in one GBA game. He's not representing SE in Brawl. He's cool and all, but lets face facts, Geno has a way way better shot than anybody at SE witht the exception of Black Mage/Vi Vi. I mean, c'mon, Sakurai's quotes saying he's a pretty much shoe in for Brawl. Plllease. He's everything except confirmed on the Dojo.

And Geno IS one of the best! Just some "divine intervention" had him not be in lots of games no thanks to the split of Square Enix/Squaresoft and Nintendo.
 

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The sentences in the middle suggest he may be in, but the no contact thing seems like another MM. Hmm.... I'm not sure what to make of this.
 

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I'm gonna grill the crap outta this post! It's the perfect revenge!
Get a life.

Basically what your saying is that Cloud has a chance. Man whatever, he's been in one GBA game. He's not representing SE in Brawl. He's cool and all, but lets face facts, Geno has a way way better shot than anybody at SE witht the exception of Black Mage/Vi Vi. I mean, c'mon, Sakurai's quotes saying he's a pretty much shoe in for Brawl. Plllease. He's everything except confirmed on the Dojo.
Cloud does have a chance, is not bigger than Geno's but he has a chance, nor am I saying that Geno doesn't have a better shot than any of them, what I'm saying is that he doesn't represent Square Enix at all, specially since he comes from a frigging Mario game and the "big history with Nintendo" fan made crap is completely destroyed by Snake who's representing a game for PS3, if Square was approached and they had the say on which character to put in Brawl is very obvious that Geno wouldn't be their first choice, Geno is only the first choice because Sakurai is making the decisions.

And Geno IS one of the best! Just some "divine intervention" had him not be in lots of games no thanks to the split of Square Enix/Squaresoft and Nintendo.
Yeah, keep on fantasizing with your drugs or pot or whatever.
 

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Geno has played the role of Cameo in another game, he could come as an AT cameo also.
That doesn't seem likely. I've explained in the past that Mario and Luigi: Super Star Saga had the same two directors that Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and the how Alpha Dream is run by one of Square Enix's former presidents and thus made Geno extremelly easy to obtain in this situation. Alpha Dream is still a second party to Nintendo and all three of these people still work for it. The situation is different though because the forementioned directors are obviously not directing Brawl so thus their influence isn't as strong. You also have to consider the scale of Brawl compared to the scale of MaL:SSS. Because of this, contacting and paying Square Enix for a meer cameo (in a non-Mario game) would be a complete waste of time seeing how SE would still have to be credited for Geno. With that established, Geno will either be playble, SE will have another playable rep (thus justifying Geno being made into an AT), or Geno won't show up at all. Those are the only options. This is supported by how all the third parties revealed so far have a playable rep and have supporting ATs.
 

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Get a life.



Cloud does have a chance, is not bigger than Geno's but he has a chance, nor am I saying that Geno doesn't have a better shot than any of them, what I'm saying is that he doesn't represent Square Enix at all, specially since he comes from a frigging Mario game and the "big history with Nintendo" fan made crap is completely destroyed by Snake who's representing a game for PS3, if Square was approached and they had the say on which character to put in Brawl is very obvious that Geno wouldn't be their first choice, Geno is only the first choice because Sakurai is making the decisions.



Yeah, keep on fantasizing with your drugs or pot or whatever.

^^Got one, ya prick. Suck it!

Cloud has roughly 22 % chance of making it with his short history with Nintendo. It might as well be zero. I mean, I know for a fact that FF 7 came out after the split between SE and Nintendo. Nintendo has to have some sort of grudge against that series seeing how it was so successful on Playstation and not Nintendo. Geno is in, Cloud is out, and Sora is a maybe.

You know you keep talking about drugs and such "cuz." You know I'm willing to bet that you're some **** dumb Guatemalan drug lord. I mean, I got hispanic blood flowin through my veins ese, but you are clearly what's wrong with my bloodline.
 

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ALPHA DREAMS THE SECOND PARTY COMPANY WORKING UNDER NINTENDO ALSO WORKS ON SQUARE GAMES, MEANING LIKE IN M&L:SSS THEY CAN EASILY USE GENO.

GENO= OWNED BY THIRD PARTY, USED BY SECOND PARTY FOR FIRST PARTY GAMES
To have a Blackmage representing Square is saying that Square-Enix is generic.

To say that Cloud representing Square is like saying that SE only makes games with pretty boys.

To say Geno represents SE is like saying they have uniqueness but as the same time people who don't know much of gaming might tihnk that they represent kiddy games like Nintendo, simply cause Geno looks like a doll.

this is coming from a person who doesn't know games well.

Blackmage is could be easily Vivi

Cloud is recognizable but i remeber that FF will not be a part of Brawl

Geno is a Mario character owned by Square, and SE can't really use him or Mallow or anything or anyone else from SMRPG so they might as well sell them the rights to the characters.
 

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^^Got one, ya prick. Suck it!

Cloud has roughly 22 % chance of making it with his short history with Nintendo. It might as well be zero. I mean, I know for a fact that FF 7 came out after the split between SE and Nintendo. Nintendo has to have some sort of grudge against that series seeing how it was so successful on Playstation and not Nintendo. Geno is in, Cloud is out, and Sora is a maybe.

You know you keep talking about drugs and such "cuz." You know I'm willing to bet that you're some **** dumb Guatemalan drug lord. I mean, I got hispanic blood flowin through my veins ese, but you are clearly what's wrong with my bloodline.
Thank you for reinforcing my point... loser! I don't know why you get mad, unless you're high I really doubt that you think that if Geno gets in Brawl he'll achieve Sonic or Megaman like status, or then again, maybe you're just a ******.

To have a Blackmage representing Square is saying that Square-Enix is generic.

To say that Cloud representing Square is like saying that SE only makes games with pretty boys.

To say Geno represents SE is like saying they have uniqueness but as the same time people who don't know much of gaming might tihnk that they represent kiddy games like Nintendo, simply cause Geno looks like a doll.
Way to understate SE characters and overstating Geno.
 

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That doesn't seem likely. I've explained in the past that Mario and Luigi: Super Star Saga had the same two directors that Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and the how Alpha Dream is run by one of Square Enix's former presidents and thus made Geno extremelly easy to obtain in this situation. Alpha Dream is still a second party to Nintendo and all three of these people still work for it. The situation is different though because the forementioned directors are obviously not directing Brawl so thus their influence isn't as strong. You also have to consider the scale of Brawl compared to the scale of MaL:SSS. Because of this, contacting and paying Square Enix for a meer cameo (in a non-Mario game) would be a complete waste of time seeing how SE would still have to be credited for Geno. With that established, Geno will either be playble, SE will have another playable rep (thus justifying Geno being made into an AT), or Geno won't show up at all. Those are the only options. This is supported by how all the third parties revealed so far have a playable rep and have supporting ATs.
Im sure it will not be hard for them to add to the credits "Thanks Square Enix" -.-


^^Got one, ya prick. Suck it!

Cloud has roughly 22 % chance of making it with his short history with Nintendo. It might as well be zero. I mean, I know for a fact that FF 7 came out after the split between SE and Nintendo. Nintendo has to have some sort of grudge against that series seeing how it was so successful on Playstation and not Nintendo. Geno is in, Cloud is out, and Sora is a maybe.

You know you keep talking about drugs and such "cuz." You know I'm willing to bet that you're some **** dumb Guatemalan drug lord. I mean, I got hispanic blood flowin through my veins ese, but you are clearly what's wrong with my bloodline.
Woah no need to stereotype. and lol at the pic.
 

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Here's a new blog by that person

Please disregard the "Geno" post.
I am sorry if this post scared anybody, you see I share my user with my little bro, and ever since the Megaman thing he has been trashing Geno into the ground. I JUST noticed this post and I deeply apologize if this has offended or irritated anyone, he fabricated the whole thing, and to anyone who ACTUALLY took this as truth needs some help, Anyways, as of right now I will be deleting that post; the lesson today is never share your user with family!

Just so that way to keep this post Brawl related I will give a quick shout out to Geno and Megaman.
 

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Thank you for reinforcing my point... loser! I don't know why you get mad, unless you're high I really doubt that you think that if Geno gets in Brawl he'll achieve Sonic or Megaman like status, or then again, maybe you're just a ******.
Whatever ya stupid troll! Clearly you want all of the attention. Fine then, lets take the focus off of Geno and put all the focus on you. Vesperview for Brawl.

Wanna moveset? I got one right here.

Forward B: (Mr. Saturn) Vesper throws Mr. Saturn at you. Hold B to charge the attack.

Down B: (My Space Autograph) Vesper writes you an autograph on his picture on myspace, shows it to his foe, and then throws it at you.

Up B: (PK Douche) Vesper, in Ness esque fashion, shoots a piece of lightning outta his arse and if you rotate it juuust right, he can use it to recover.

Taunt: Vesper looks at the screen and issues a middle finger hand jester at you.

Kirby Hat: Nope. For some reason he unable to swallow Vesper. Now why would Kirby wanna take the powers of such a pansy?
 

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I wish people would copy ans paste cause w/e was there is now gone. . . what did it say?
It was a fake message saying someone contacted Square and they said Geno was not in Brawl...

However, it was quickly debunked
 

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I wish people would copy ans paste cause w/e was there is now gone. . . what did it say?
Here's a new blog by that person

Please disregard the "Geno" post.
I am sorry if this post scared anybody, you see I share my user with my little bro, and ever since the Megaman thing he has been trashing Geno into the ground. I JUST noticed this post and I deeply apologize if this has offended or irritated anyone, he fabricated the whole thing, and to anyone who ACTUALLY took this as truth needs some help, Anyways, as of right now I will be deleting that post; the lesson today is never share your user with family!

Just so that way to keep this post Brawl related I will give a quick shout out to Geno and Megaman.
DEBUNKED!

10char
 

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Whatever ya stupid troll! Clearly you want all of the attention. Fine then, lets take the focus off of Geno and put all the focus on you. Vesperview for Brawl.

Wanna moveset? I got one right here.

Forward B: (Mr. Saturn) Vesper throws Mr. Saturn at you. Hold B to charge the attack.

Down B: (My Space Autograph) Vesper writes you an autograph on his picture on myspace, shows it to his foe, and then throws it at you.

Up B: (PK Douche) Vesper, in Ness esque fashion, shoots a piece of lightning outta his arse and if you rotate it juuust right, he can use it to recover.

Taunt: Vesper looks at the screen and issues a middle finger hand jester at you.

Kirby Hat: Nope. For some reason he unable to swallow Vesper. Now why would Kirby wanna take the powers of such a pansy?
Whatever with you, seriously, you're just mad cause no one agrees with you on that ****, Geno will never be in the same league with Mario, Sonic and Megaman and apparently you're too much of a no life to even do posts like this one so, you're not worth anyone's time, enjoy yourself, stupid fanboy.
 

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Whatever ya stupid troll! Clearly you want all of the attention. Fine then, lets take the focus off of Geno and put all the focus on you. Vesperview for Brawl.

Wanna moveset? I got one right here.

Forward B: (Mr. Saturn) Vesper throws Mr. Saturn at you. Hold B to charge the attack.

Down B: (My Space Autograph) Vesper writes you an autograph on his picture on myspace, shows it to his foe, and then throws it at you.

Up B: (PK Douche) Vesper, in Ness esque fashion, shoots a piece of lightning outta his arse and if you rotate it juuust right, he can use it to recover.

Taunt: Vesper looks at the screen and issues a middle finger hand jester at you.

Kirby Hat: Nope. For some reason he unable to swallow Vesper. Now why would Kirby wanna take the powers of such a pansy?
lulz.

I wish people would copy ans paste cause w/e was there is now gone. . . what did it say?
It basically said Nintendo did not contact Square about Geno, and since Brawl has gone gold Geno could not be in brawl.

But the guy took it down cause it was fake.
 

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Im sure it will not be hard for them to add to the credits "Thanks Square Enix" -.-
You're grossly understating the situation. Nintendo would still have to pay Square Enix to use Geno and I seriously doubt that Square Enix wants to be represented in Brawl (which is pretty much guarenteed to be one of the biggest games of the decade) with a meer cameo and seeing how Geno was the only Square Enix character (and only one of two third party characters too) that was mentioned in Sakurai's journal more then once...
 

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Whatever with you, seriously, you're just mad cause no one agrees with you on that ****, Geno will never be in the same league with Mario, Sonic and Megaman and apparently you're too much of a no life to even do posts like this one so, you're not worth anyone's time, enjoy yourself, stupid fanboy.
Uh oh, somebody's getting alittle upset. Is lil Vesperview throwin a tantrum cause he's gettin pwned as far as insults go. Ha! Oh well, go on and get over yourself ya Smash Scrub.

And I knew the whole time that that crap about Geno being deconfirmed was a bunch of bull.

Geno 4 Brawl.
 

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Uh oh, somebody's getting alittle upset. Is lil Vesperview throwin a tantrum cause he's gettin pwned as far as insults go. Ha! Oh well, go on and get over yourself ya Smash Scrub.
I'm getting upset? I'm sorry, I thought you were the one who hated me with every ounce of his being lmao! I'm not the one who started the insults and lol @ you for thinking you're winning an "insult war" goes to show yet again, how much of a no life troll you are.

Nuff said
 

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You're grossly understating the situation. Nintendo would still have to pay Square Enix to use Geno and I seriously doubt that Square Enix wants to be represented in Brawl (which is pretty much guarenteed to be one of the biggest games of the decade) with a meer cameo and seeing how Geno was the only Square Enix character (and only one of two third party characters too) that was mentioned in Sakurai's journal more then once...
You are putting Geno on a pedestal, im pretty sure Square does not care for Geno as if he is Cloud, Sora, Tidus.. or any other Major Square Character. Since Geno is part Nintendo anyway, giving Geno to nintendo as a cameo would probably not cost anything. The Journal entries does not mean he wants him as playable, he could want him for something else.. maybe a awesome AT. Since unlike Pokemon they have different moves, and abilities.
 

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I'm getting upset? I'm sorry, I thought you were the one who hated me with every ounce of his being lmao! I'm not the one who started the insults and lol @ you for thinking you're winning an "insult war" goes to show yet again, how much of a no life troll you are.

Nuff said
Oh I do hate you, but I'm not angry. And you started it. All I was doing was minding my own business making a (Geno could have his own game thingy) and then you're trolling trash comes outta nowhere trying to pick apart my post saying that I'm ********, I'm tipsy, etc etc. Then your anti Geno posse came out of the word works and did the same thing so yeah, you so started it and added further fuel to the fire. Seriously, don't make me have to go get Mr. Phoenix Wright. Oh he'll prove my case.

Anyways, sorry to get off topic, but ^^loser like him need to be put in their place. Period.

Man, I don't even have anything to add that's Geno related this post except...

Geno for SSBB
 

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Ok I'm back once again. Let me try to clear some points up:

1) Yes it's true, Snake got in on a whoop, just because Kojima asked him to and Sonic got in just because of his popularity. But at least both shared a history with Nintendo, maybe not a meaningful one, but one nonetheless which is something that could not be said for Cloud or Sora yet.

2) It wasn't established by me. But last time I checked this game was a game for Nintendo "all-star" characters only. Since when was Cloud a Nintendo all-star character? Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against Cloud, but I don't get how a character who has done little for Nintendo gets to be in one of their best games.

3) This game is a Nintendo fighting game, if it is advertising anything, it would obviously be the games of those Nintendo characters, not advertising the games of other 3rd party characters. If that were the case then Sakurai would be busting his balls getting Master Chief in SSBB. My "crap" isn't fan made crap, these aren't my rules, these are Sakurai's rules.

4) Yes

5) Again that was in my opinion, also I say it because I think they are one of their best creations. I didn't mean it from a financial view, because in that case, obviously Cloud would be the best SE character. Just like Mario is the best Nintendo character since he brings in the most cash. Although as we can see in these boards, each person has a different ideas on who the best Nintendo character is.
Anyways back to the point. Geno stands to have better chances to be in Smash because he is the only SE character who has shared a meaningful history with Nintendo. It wouldn't be a slap to the face for SE, some of you make it sound as if SE is the one that wants their character to be in Smash when it would actually be Sakurai.

6) I know you have nothing against Geno. I want to make it clear I have nothing against Cloud, nor any other SE character. But we have to stop kidding ourselves and actually look at these points from a realistic point of view
 

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You are putting Geno on a pedestal, im pretty sure Square does not care for Geno as if he is Cloud, Sora, Tidus.. or any other Major Square Character. Since Geno is part Nintendo anyway, giving Geno to nintendo as a cameo would probably not cost anything. The Journal entries does not mean he wants him as playable, he could want him for something else.. maybe a awesome AT. Since unlike Pokemon they have different moves, and abilities.
Square-Enix doesn't care about them, but Nintendo obviously does, or the dev's of this particular title. Sakurai wants that character, because he's shown interest, and again it all boils down to if he asked. No doubt if there WAS a Square-Enix meeting, he would've asked by now, and it's basically a matter of if they agreed or not (provided the meeting took place).

I'd honestly rather him not be in the game at all, if not a PC, seeing as all an AT would do is make people who wanted him playable, angry. And yes, generally the journal entries DO mean he wants him playable, seeing as that poll has alot of characters confirmed off of it.

I mean, it's been a long 11 years, Pit has gotten an arrival for his fans, so why are we not entitled to have ours? Geno advertised in this game for future titles would be marvelous, but if this were his last game he'd be in, I'd be satisfied also.
 

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You are putting Geno on a pedestal, im pretty sure Square does not care for Geno as if he is Cloud, Sora, Tidus.. or any other Major Square Character. Since Geno is part Nintendo anyway, giving Geno to nintendo as a cameo would probably not cost anything. The Journal entries does not mean he wants him as playable, he could want him for something else.. maybe a awesome AT. Since unlike Pokemon they have different moves, and abilities.
Cloud and Sora barely qualify because the only Nintendo game they appeared in, Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, stopped being a Nintendo exclusive in 2006 when Square Enix released the Final Mix of Kingdom Hearts 2 (on the PS2) that included a 3D version of the game and Tidus has never appeared on a Nintendo platform thus killing his chances.

You're right, Geno is a character in a first party franchise but Square Enix still owns the rights to him and thus Nintendo can't use him without paying SE "rental" dues. Granted, Geno's worth is much less then the characters you forementioned so his cost would naturally be much less but that cost still exists none-the-less.

The 290 entries that appear in Sakurai's journal consist of the entries in the offical Brawl poll that Sakurai and his staff found the most interesting/ most amusing. Geno appeared in 5 entries and tied with King Dedede for the most mentioned character. Let's look at some other characters that were mentioned 3-5 times:

1. King Dedede (5 entries, confirmed)
2. Ike (4 entries, confirmed)
3. Diddy Kong (4 entries, confirmed)
4. Krystal (4 entries, semi-confirmed)
5. Ridley (4 entries, confirmed to at least be in the game)
6. Captain Olimar (3 entries)

Notice anything? Did you notice how all these characters are from different franchises? Did you notice how many of these characters were highly requested even before Brawl was offically announced? Did you notice how all of these characters play important roles in at least one canon game? There are many other similarities that can be seen among these top picked characters.

Also, like I said in another post, all the ATs that have appeared so far either didn't appear in Sakurai's journal at all or were only mentioned once. It should also be noted that no character that has been mentioned 3 or more times has had anything major shown against the possibility of their inclusion.

Also, I'm going off what we've been shown and I'm not putting Geno on a pedestal. If it weren't for the things we've been shown and the journal entries, his chances would absolutely suck but that's not the case. I've also stated in other posts that there are definately other characters that have higher chances then Geno but, currently, the only real competitor he has when it comes to Mario characters is Paper Mario and seeing how the Mario franchise will most likely have the most characters like it did in Melee and how Dr. Mario is practically guarenteed gone, the possibility of both of them becoming playable isn't farfectched.

*add in* If you think about it, what do Snake and Sonic have in common besides the fact that they are third party characters and have had Nintendo exclusives? They have made references to first party Nintendo games in at least one of their games. In Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater, both a bobble head of Yoshi and Mario appeared and, as we all know, Sonic and Mario recently appeared together in Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games. If you think about it, wouldn't this make Geno an appropriate addition for Brawl? How many characters out there can claim to be both a third party character and a Mario character, Nintendo's biggest, oldest, and most successful franchise? Considering how Brawl celebrates Nintendo's history, what better way to show what Nintendo and Square Enix have done in the past together then have someone like Geno or Mallow as an addition?
 

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Rick88 and DeuceBlade both have Sora for there avatar. Very confusing to tell who's who.:dizzy:

Exactly, Cloud definitely isn't a Nintendo All Star. He's cool and all as I said before and if he by chance DID make it, I wouldn't mind maining him. However, saying he will be added to the roster is a pipe dream.

And SE doesn't like Geno. Lets just face facts. They didn't wanna use em for anything because he's one of the characters that once again represents the split between SE and Nintendo. That just has to be it. Otherwise, he'd be in alot more games than just two on his resume.
 

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Rick88 and DeuceBlade both have Sora for there avatar. Very confusing to tell who's who.:dizzy:

Exactly, Cloud definitely isn't a Nintendo All Star. He's cool and all as I said before and if he by chance DID make it, I wouldn't mind maining him. However, saying he will be added to the roster is a pipe dream.

And SE doesn't like Geno. Lets just face facts. They didn't wanna use em for anything because he's one of the characters that once again represents the split between SE and Nintendo. That just has to be it. Otherwise, he'd be in alot more games than just two on his resume.
I look as Geno as the character that represents the relationship of Square and Nintendo when it was at it's peak before the rapid decline
 

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Geno was actually requested a 5th time in a music suggestion when someone asked for "Geno's theme" then made a side note that said "Might as well throw in Geno along with it"
Really?
Wow, I didn't know that.

Thanks for the info.
 

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Cloud and Sora barely qualify because the only Nintendo game they appeared in, Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, stopped being a Nintendo exclusive in 2006 when Square Enix released the Final Mix of Kingdom Hearts 2 (on the PS2) that included a 3D version of the game and Tidus has never appeared on a Nintendo platform thus killing his chances.

You're right, Geno is a character in a first party franchise but Square Enix still owns the rights to him and thus Nintendo can't use him without paying SE "rental" dues. Granted, Geno's worth is much less then the characters you forementioned so his cost would naturally be much less but that cost still exists none-the-less.

The 290 entries that appear in Sakurai's journal consist of the entries in the offical Brawl poll that Sakurai and his staff found the most interesting/ most amusing. Geno appeared in 5 entries and tied with King Dedede for the most mentioned character. Let's look at some other characters that were mentioned 3-5 times:

1. King Dedede (5 entries, confirmed)
2. Ike (4 entries, confirmed)
3. Diddy Kong (4 entries, confirmed)
4. Krystal (4 entries, semi-confirmed)
5. Ridley (4 entries, confirmed to at least be in the game)
6. Captain Olimar (3 entries)

Notice anything? Did you notice how all these characters are from different franchises? Did you notice how many of these characters were highly requested even before Brawl was offically announced? Did you notice how all of these characters play important roles in at least one canon game? There are many other similarities that can be seen among these top picked characters.

Also, like I said in another post, all the ATs that have appeared so far either didn't appear in Sakurai's journal at all or were only mentioned once. It should also be noted that no character that has been mentioned 3 or more times has had anything major shown against the possibility of their inclusion.

Also, I'm going off what we've been shown and I'm not putting Geno on a pedestal. If it weren't for the things we've been shown and the journal entries, his chances would absolutely suck but that's not the case. I've also stated in other posts that there are definately other characters that have higher chances then Geno but, currently, the only real competitor he has when it comes to Mario characters is Paper Mario and seeing how the Mario franchise will most likely have the most characters like it did in Melee and how Dr. Mario is practically guarenteed gone, the possibility of both of them becoming playable isn't farfectched.

*add in* If you think about it, what do Snake and Sonic have in common besides the fact that they are third party characters and have had Nintendo exclusives? They have made references to first party Nintendo games in at least one of their games. In Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater, both a bobble head of Yoshi and Mario appeared and, as we all know, Sonic and Mario recently appeared together in Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games. If you think about it, wouldn't this make Geno an appropriate addition for Brawl? How many characters out there can claim to be both a third party character and a Mario character, Nintendo's biggest, oldest, and most successful franchise? Considering how Brawl celebrates Nintendo's history, what better way to show what Nintendo and Square Enix have done in the past together then have someone like Geno or Mallow as an addition?
What I see from that list of characters.. are characters who are important to their respective franchises.. and characters who are either the main character or play major roles in more than 1 game.

I do agree that brawl does celebrate Nintendo's history, but Geno is not a massive part of the history nor is he a small part.. So him being an AT seems fitting.

And if you wouldn't mind.. do you have any of the journal entries that I could read/see for myself.

and btw, The Mario franchise is not the oldest Nintendo Franchise.. Donkey Kong is.. although you could say they spawned 2 successful franchises.
 
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