Sorry kids, here's why Geno won't get in. The good news? Krystal might.

[Vasilicus]

Nintendo has yet to put a minor character from any game in. That's why. Let's take a look at all the characters released in any smash game so far. Every single one of them was major in some way. Sorry guys, but a character who played a tiny part in a small game isn't going to have much of a chance of getting in.


Bowser - One of Mario's main enemies. Appears in nearly every Mario game.
Captain Falcon - One of the first unlockables in F-Zero games, main character of TV show.
Diddy Kong - Star character in many DK games. Plays a big part in storylines.
Donkey Kong - Main character of DK games.
Dr. Mario - Dr. Mario series of games, this character was a last-minute clone.
Falco - Consistent character in Star Fox games, this character was a last-minute clone.
Fox - Main character of the Star Fox games.
Ganondorf - Main enemy of Link in Zelda games, this character was a last-minute clone.
Ice Climbers - Star characters of classic "Ice Climber" Nintendo games.
Ike - Star character (I think) in Fire Emblem games.
Jigglypuff - Nintendo uses Jigglypuff a lot (popular character in Pokemon series).
King Dedede - One of Kirby's main enemies.
Kirby - Main character of "Kirby's Dreamland" series.
Link - Main character of "Legend of Zelda" series.
Lucas - Main character in newer "Earthbound" games.
Luigi - Main character in many Mario games.
Mario - No **** sherlock
Marth - Lead character in Fire Emblem Games (I think).
Meta Knight - Another one of Kirby's main enemies, appears in most Kirby games.
Mewtwo - Hardest pokemon to get in early games, lead villain in many movies/TV show.
Mr. Game & Watch - Classic nintendo character, star of the "Game and Watch arcade" series.
Ness - Star of early "Earthbound" games.
Peach - Consistent lead character in "Mario" series.
Pichu - Cute little guy, this pokemon was a last minute clone that took 10 seconds to make.
Pikachu - One of the main characters on the TV show, in Pokemon yellow version.
Pit - Main character of whatever series it is he's in.
Pokémon Trainer - Main character in every pokemon game.
Roy - See Marth
Samus - Main character of Metroid series.
Sheik - Goes along with "Zelda" character.
Snake - Main character of "Metal Gear Solid" series.
Sonic - Main character of "Sonic the Hedgehog" series.
Wario - Main character of "Wario" series.
Yoshi - Consistent character in Mario games.
Young Link - Cute little guy, this boy was a last minute clone that took 10 seconds to make.
Zelda - Important character in almost every "Legend of Zelda" game.
Zero Suit Samus - See shiek, goes along with "Samus" character.


Now let's look at some requests.

Midna (Twilight Princess) - played a medium role in ONE "Zelda" game. Not a very good chance of getting in. Not any better than any other medium zelda character (The Wind Fish, for example)

Captain Olimar - very good chance of getting in. Star character of new nintendo series "Pikmin".

Geno - minor character in Super Mario RPG, has showed up as a minor NPC in other games. Low chance of getting in. I'd put him up there with, say, "Tarin the cucco farmer" from the Zelda games.

Star Wolf - minor enemy of Fox in early Star Fox games. Showed up as a minor character in Assault as well. Medium chance of getting in, only since there aren't many SF games.

Skull Kid - Extremely minor character in Zelda Oot, played a slightly larger role in MM, hasn't been seen since. Chance of getting in: Next to none.

Captain K. Rool - Major enemy of Donkey Kong. Stands a good chance of getting in. However, in the SSE video it showed a koopa stealing DK's bananas which slightly diminishes the chances of K.Rool's appearance, but we'll have to see.

Knuckles - Playable character in some Sonic games. Medium chance but Tails has a better chance of making it in.

Isaac - Major character in Golden Sun series. Hopefully Sakurai will remember to put him in, I'll be surprised if he's left out.

Krystal - major character in more recent Star Fox games. Good chance of replacing Falco.

Tingle - minor character in a few Zelda games. No chance of getting into Brawl whatsoever.

 

[domriver]

Um Pit, Ice Climbers aren't huge names and are considered minor. He has put in those characters and continues to do so. This proves nothing. Geno's chances are no way affected by this. Krystal I believe was already confirmed by the voice of her. Of course we have to wait for the dojo to reveal it before it becomes official.

 

[Piks]

First off, Ness only starred in Earthbound only, Ninten was the star of the first one.
Instead of saying "Older Earthbound games" change it to something like "Star of Earthbound"
Same goes with Lucas, change "Newer Earthbound games" to "Mother 3"

Anyway...

Geno isn't a minor character, he was the co-star along with the rest of Mario's party.

 

[shinhed-echi]

There are a few wrong points here...

While I agree with the main concept that Major/main characters will get in, I feel I need to correct some things.

Tingle.- As much as people love or hate him, this guy is very poppular in Japan, and has HIS OWN FRANCHISE. Making him a Main Character (similar to how Yoshi and Wario started out).

Geno.- Actually plays a HUGE role. Sure, he's a minor character in the HUGE Mario universe. But his only given role in the history of VG, was a huge one. (He was the center of the plot).


I lold at Pichu, and the "Wind Fish" remark. :D

And wasn't Geno the MOST requested character for Brawl? (outside Sonic that is). I wonder if Sakurai will really have the heart to ignore this... I'm not a Geno fan, but I think he's got a chance of appearing..

 

[Big-Cat]

Just because a minor character hasn't been playable, that doesn't mean a minor one won't be playable in Brawl. After all, there's a first time for everything.

 

[LotusMyuushin]

There are a few wrong points here...

While I agree with the main concept that Major/main characters will get in, I feel I need to correct some things.

Tingle.- As much as people love or hate him, this guy is very poppular in Japan, and has HIS OWN FRANCHISE. Making him a Main Character (similar to how Yoshi and Wario started out).

Geno.- Actually plays a HUGE role. Sure, he's a minor character in the HUGE Mario universe. But his only given role in the history of VG, was a huge one. (He was the center of the plot).


I lold at Pichu, and the "Wind Fish" remark. :D

And wasn't Geno the MOST requested character for Brawl? (outside Sonic that is). I wonder if Sakurai will really have the heart to ignore this... I'm not a Geno fan, but I think he's got a chance of appearing..

Dedede was the most requested in the Japan Poll, where Geno was 3rd. if I recall correctly. The fanbase for Geno is huge, yet his role in an non canon Mario game where he only was a party member makes it slim. But fanbase > story importancy

 

[The Noob Legend]

Um Pit, Ice Climbers aren't huge names and are considered minor. He has put in those characters and continues to do so. This proves nothing. Geno's chances are no way affected by this. Krystal I believe was already confirmed by the voice of her. Of course we have to wait for the dojo to reveal it before it becomes official.

Ice Climbers are the main protagonists in the Ice Climber series, they aren't minor.

Geno is more of a secondary character.
I wouldn't call him minor.

 

[Big-Cat]

Dedede was the most requested in the Japan Poll, where Geno was 3rd. if I recall correctly. The fanbase for Geno is huge, yet his role in an non canon Mario game where he only was a party member makes it slim. But fanbase > story importancy

Uhh.... When were any of the Mario games, excluding the CD-i, non canon?

 

[Foe]

Pichu is minor.

 

[Urser]

Yes, I have to agree up to Tingle. He IS popular, just not in America, he has his own game and he did play a large role in WW. Although he probably won't be in as a playable character, he DOES stand a good chance as the 4th playable Zelda character.

 

[Aaryk]

First of all, lets set this straight, RIDLEY was the most requested in Japan.
Then Dedede.
THEN Geno.
What you say here about "main characters only" gives him a better chance of getting in, because he had an entire game centered around him.

 

[Mic_128]

Tingle - minor character in a few Zelda games. No chance of getting into Brawl whatsoever.

While I don't think he will(or want) be in Brawl, he has got his own game (2 actually, Rupeeland and Tiingle's Baloon Fight) and is popular in Japan.

 

[LotusMyuushin]

Uhh.... When were any of the Mario games, excluding the CD-i, non canon?

Canon as in the trademark Mario games.

First of all, lets set this straight, RIDLEY was the most requested in Japan.
Then Dedede.
THEN Geno.
What you say here about "main characters only" gives him a better chance of getting in, because he had an entire game centered around him.

Dedede was number 1, ridley was about number 4 or 5.

 

[Big-Cat]

Canon as in the trademark Mario games.

Isn't that just an assumption?

Anyway, I've come to realize something about minor characters. They have as much of a chance as anyone, however, I think that the main character from the game the character is in, must be in first.

 

[LotusMyuushin]

Isn't that just an assumption?

Anyway, I've come to realize something about minor characters. They have as much of a chance as anyone, however, I think that the main character from the game the character is in, must be in first.

Pretty much an assumption, but most of the times the ''trademark mario games'' were made by Nintendo only, which makes them more canon. Super Mario RPG was made by Square Enix(Don't know that much about it) making it less canon somewhat. But by trademark Mario games I ment, the original on NES, followed by 2 and 3. Then the pack and mario world on SNES. The two mario games on the GBC, and then mario 64, sunshine and galaxy.

And I don't think it matters if they're main or minor, sakurai has been mostly going on what the poll said and what he wanted.

 

[Bacon Man11]

Geno is major in a very popular game.

 

[Chiastic]

this guy should've done some research before posting this thread.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Wasn't Geno number 1, with 5 votes in favor?

Ridley had 4.

Dedede had about 3, but was very requested in Melee.

 

[Machete]

Pit - Main character of whatever series it is he's in.

...

Wasn't Geno number 1, with 5 votes in favor?

Ridley had 4.

Dedede had about 3, but was very requested in Melee.

Dedede had 5.

Both Geno and Ridley had 4.

 

[Bassoonist]

Just because Sheik is a transformation of Zelda doesn't mean that she can't be considered a playable character.

The only reason Sheik is a transformation is because that's the only way it'd make sense. Sheik and Zelda are the same person.

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

Skull Kid - Extremely minor character in Zelda Oot, played a slightly larger role in MM, hasn't been seen since. Chance of getting in: Next to none.

Skull Kid was in Twilight Princess. Though yea, probably not getting in.

 

[NessOnett]

Geno was the center of the plot, he is the definition of an important character. More so than a lot of the other characters in melee/brawl. I go so far as to say that Geno was more important to his one game than many characters like zelda/peach/sheik/pichu etc in any of the games they appeared in.

and come on, you can't say pichu was a central character, even if he was a crappy clone he still negates your argument.

 

[Big-Cat]

Pretty much an assumption, but most of the times the ''trademark mario games'' were made by Nintendo only, which makes them more canon. Super Mario RPG was made by Square Enix(Don't know that much about it) making it less canon somewhat. But by trademark Mario games I ment, the original on NES, followed by 2 and 3. Then the pack and mario world on SNES. The two mario games on the GBC, and then mario 64, sunshine and galaxy.

And I don't think it matters if they're main or minor, sakurai has been mostly going on what the poll said and what he wanted.

I wouldn't say he's been going mostly according the poll and what he wanted. Remember Saki? This guy was apparently requested a lot but he never got playable. As for the confirmed characters, the guys revealed, with the exception of the Pokemon Trainer, were considered either shoo-ins or highly likely.

 

[Cinder]

While I don't think he will(or want) be in Brawl, he has got his own game (2 actually, Rupeeland and Tiingle's Baloon Fight) and is popular in Japan.

You're not closing this? Ummm...okay...

Anyway, Geno had a major role in his game...the game revolved around him, practically (fixing the Star Road was his job, and the main purpose of the game)...that, and he was one of the most popular characters on the poll...perhaps you should do a little research before creating crap threads like this...

EDIT: NessOnett posted while I was typing, but I agree with him...

 

[MysticKenji]

Except that Shiek is a minor character.

Logic fail?

 

[Super Smash Master]

Pikachu, Jigglypuff and Pichu all had minor roles in the pokemon GAMES. Sheik was in one game. Sakurai can put in any character he wants. I don't see your logic. o_O

He isn't gonna say "Oh, well I really like this character. It'd be awesome to make him playable in Brawl, but maybe I shouldn't because he isn't the star of the game!" That's not how Sakurai thinks.

 

[DeuceBlade]

I find it odd that he would say midna plays a medium role when she is basically with you throughout the entire game, and she is after all.. the "Twilight Princess".

I really don't care for Geno and if he didn't get in I wouldn't care, but many of the facts used are off.

and its "King" K. Rool, or just K. Rool -- but if you want it to be Kaptain w.e

 

[The Noob Legend]

Nobody knows who or won't be in Brawl.
Heck all the characters are made, it's gone gold.

You cannot support neither defy the participation of a character in the game because all we can do is speculate.

Just remember that...

P.S. Whoever said that Pikachu did not play a major role in Pokemon games doesn't know enough about it.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Jiggs was never major in anything, and had even a minor role in the anime. Your only reasoning is "popular"....

 

[Unknownlight]

Midna (Twilight Princess) - played a medium role in ONE "Zelda" game. Not a very good chance of getting in. Not any better than any other medium zelda character (The Wind Fish, for example)

Medium role? She was the main character in the game, larger than Link! The entire plot focused around her.

Second point, she was only in one game but guess what? I'd like to introduce you to Marth, Roy, Lucas, and Ness who have all been in only one game of their larger series.

Also, I actually don't want Midna to be in Brawl, I just wish he researched the characters before making the thread.

 

[Big-Cat]

Second point, she was only in one game but guess what? I'd like to introduce you to Marth, Roy, Lucas, and Ness who have all been in only one game of their larger series.

I'm just nickpicking here. Marth was in two games prior to Melee and the original is being remade as a DS game.

 

[Machete]

I go so far as to say that Geno was more important to his one game than many characters like zelda/peach/sheik/pichu etc in any of the games they appeared in.

Zelda and Peach are hugely more important than Geno in almost all the games they're appeeared in.

 

[Unknownlight]

I'm just nickpicking here. Marth was in two games prior to Melee and the original is being remade as a DS game.

I stand corrected.

 

[Triple_Factorial]

Except that Shiek is a minor character.

Logic fail?

In OoT, Sheik = Zelda and Zelda = Major character. According to the transitive property (if A = B and B = C, then A = C) Sheik = Major character.

Not that i agree with the OP; Sakurai says Geno would be considered 1st-party in this situation due to him being a Mario character, despite being owned by Square-Enix. That's pretty much Brawl's equivalent of an All-Access VIP Pass when it comes to 3rd-partys.

 

[Cinder]

I just wish he researched the characters before making the thread.

QFT!

I can't believe how fail this logic is...it seems like he assumes that any character that has only been in one game that they weren't the "star" of must have played a minor role, but he makes those assumptions without having played the games or doing any research...he gets the name of the characters, and starts on his illogical rant about how they're "too minor" to be in...it's such a shame...

 

[MIRAI87]

I'm not going to say that Geno is in- nobody knows. But there is no guarantee that he isn't. He has a good chance because...

1. He has an interesting history that could be implemented in SE.
2. Highly requested on the poll (And this is coming from one major role in one game, that was released over a decade ago. Sakurai may see this as an opportunity to include a character that casual/younger gamers will 'WTF!?' over, while still pleasing the legions of fans.
3. Easy to see moveset potential.

Also, slightly off topic, Midna was a major role in the most recent Zelda game. She was your companion for the entire thing, and the story directly involved her. Her role was much bigger than Shiek's OR Pichu's.

 

[DeuceBlade]

In Pokemon Red/Blue all Pokemon played a major role, since it was not like Ruby/Sapphire or Diamond and pearl with these God pokemon things (Groudon,Kyogre,Dialga,Palkia) which were important to the plot of the story.

and Since nearly all pokemon that have been in the smash franchise come from Pokemon Red/Blue (even Pokemon trainer) they are all major to their series.

Geno's role is very similar to Midna's role in TP, meaning he is a major character,but he is owned by square.

 

[Intercept]

You're wrong.
Ice Climbers were in one game, that very few people remembered or considered classic. They are hardly major. Sakurai put them in because he liked the concept and wanted a retro character.

Jigglypuff only got in because they were popular. Not because of their importance. They only had an occasional cameo in the anime.

Doesn't matter that Pichu was a clone, he was still a minor character that got in, negating your point.

Roy was the star of one FE game, which makes him fairly minor, especially considering the game wasn't even out yet.

Sheik was a minor character in OoT. They didn't have to have Sheik to give Zelda a full moveset.

As I showed with Ice Climbers and Jigglypuff, Sakurai can and most likely will put characters in due to popularity and what he wants. Geno is one of the most popular characters worldwide, if Sakurai likes him he's in.

Midna was a major (not medium) character in the well-received, very popular, most recent console Zelda game. Midna was more important to the story than Link, strangely enough.

A koopa stealing DK's bananas doesn't make K. Rool any less likely. Smash is all about crossovers. Kirby fights Petey Pirahna for crying out loud. I expect very few people will fight the enemies from their own series.

Knuckles has almost no chance.

I'll admit that Krystal has a good chance, but even if she does get in, she probably won't replace Falco.

Tingle appears in many Zelda games and has two games of his own.

I'll agree with you that Olimar and K. Rool are practically shoe-ins, while Wolf and Skull Kid have almost no chance. I'll also agree that Isaac has a decent chance. That's all I agree with though.

 

[NessOnett]

Zelda and Peach are hugely more important than Geno in almost all the games they're appeeared in.

how so? Geno was both playable and the center of the plot, neither Zelda nor Peach can say that of ANY game they have been in(that i can think of). They were either damsel in distress; or a random mass character like in mario kart(or melee), in which had no real plot at all.

 

[kackamee]

Okies, Geno may have only appeared in a couple of games, but how high he was on the poll makes him debatable. And Ice climbers aren't big, they only appeared in ONE game, yet are in TWO smash games, and Pit only appeared in one game too. so before you go saying why Geno shouldn't be in, do your homework. Oh and, the story of SMRPG was almost based around him.