Boxob
Smash Champion
Dash attack, I call a 55:45, In Boxob's favor.
Really.
Really.
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They can't interupt it with shield breaker. You can spotdodge/roll on reaction to the shield breaker, as long as you're actually looking for it (or just have fast reactions.)This is y I said roll because of that and no its not smart to shield the first 3 hits because they'll interupt the frist hit with Shield breaker.
The Ken combo is not a legitimate combo. You can just airdodge out of it.Or if your close enough to the edge they'll ken combo u but for sonics thats not too much a prob except u get damaged.
Didn't you read the part where I said to look for pauses in his DB. Do you even know the timing for that move? It has a fairly large window between being able to continue the dancing blade...and being able to stop.But back to the shieldbreaker marth acctually incorperate this move alot now when u shield. Thats y u cant shield the frist 3 hits.
If they up B early they stage spike you and end up high above the ledge. Then they just drift foward and grab it. It's not like Marth falls straight down after his up B.And about their recovery read what KID sayed back there it helps on my explaination to. And yes fair on a recovering marth a bad idea thats y i said at the risk of being stage spiked. Also if they'd up b early they'd miss the ledge and die...
But u do have some valid points.
Just for the sake of explaining, this is how the DB mixup works.Terios said:I thought we were talking about dancing blade dance. =3
I also thought he couldn't turn around fast enough to punish it. Though now that I think about it they can probably interrupt it since they are waiting for a spot dodge.
No. I'm sure he means ONSTAGE.I'm guessing you're talking about trying to gimp Marth offstage.
Up Bing early means up Bing at you rather than waiting to try and sweetspot. It's actually what most good Marths do, as long as they're close enough to actually get to the ledge aftewards.@ dark sonic
I'm just saying open ur eyes there are different players out there and if a marth up b's early they will probally be too far away from the stage mostly. They almost half to up b normal time. Marth can float horizontally much at all after up b. But some might do as you speak its up bing early really its just up bing higher than normal not early.
Now you're just being rediculous. This is very easy to avoid, as long as you are actually paying attention to the Marth's timing on his DB. It's pretty obvious that not only has he ended his DB by then, but then you can even react to the shield breaker's startup lag. DB->Shieldbreaker is just a mixup that they throw in once in a while hoping that you're not paying attention.And yes they can throw in a shield breaker after frist hit my bad for saying interuption cuz its not really but still.
It is very easy to airdodge out of. Hell, you can just DI out of the dairs range and not even have to airdodge after the fairThe ken combo IS NOT EASY AT ALL to air dodge out of, u must play someone with f'ed up timing in order to get out of it. But like I said every marths different and its kind irrelavent to sonic cause of his recovery.
That's called shield stabbing. And I covered that. After they've done the third hit you get to roll away or behind them for free, so you shouldn't be attempting to shield the fourth hit. And if you are unfortunate enough to have missed your chance to roll with absolutely no punishment, you can still angle your shield down to prevent the shield stabbing, and then get a free tilt or a grab (you'll have to move foward to get the grab if they've spaced the last hit)And yea I kno the timing for DB but most marths I see play pro go straight through to what their gonna do so you wont have time to react because, down has a random moment everyonce and awhile where it will poke shields. And they like u said time it to trick u, so my point remains roll the hell outta there...
Point out my mistake of use these words of english Mr...omg, come back when you can put an argument into understandable english first please.
^ This ^Why are you guys even discussing his shield breaker? You have a lot of other things you have to worry about.
i played Emblemd Lord and he never tries a sideB~shieldbreaker. Why?1 no I do not have bad refelexes no one is perfect everyone can get hit by something. Play some pro Marths in GA they do this and you will get hit by one outta like the 3.
English courses help.All are based on them, but you dont seem to get in different ways they are based on those moves all over the country. I would imply, Oh yea Dark Sonic has a point (sometimes) but look out if its done like this.
But no u'll just slap it b4 u play someone like it and beat you cuz u couldnt react.
It is you all not yall. You need several commas and you also need better sentence structure.
Yall are Sonic mains yall should kno above anything about some mysterious getting underestimated. No one is perfect I'd dodge shield breakers from DB too but I'd get hit atleastonce with it.
Never happens when you are competent.This advise isn't out dated go out play some marths you'll see. Trust me the last Marth I play seriously was atleast 1 month ago their meta game has not developed that far that short.
Don't care for your anecdotal evidence btw.
Dont knock advise always take it even if you kno it take it. Its the curtious thing to do.
I take advise I kno almost every day.
The way I said Marths play I personally have encountered quite a few lately. Before 1 month ago a course.
Oh, that's perfectly fine. I thought you meant the noob approach of two fairs going forwards.I dunno. I advance the first one and retreat the second one, and it generally goes unpunished so long as my spacing is on point.
Well, it could also be used against ASC approaches (but fair works better anyway) and can be used to beat SDR if your too close for comfort.I don't see Dolphin Slash OOS punishing Sonic for anything except maybe his Jab or Nair.
Thanx for quoting my errors but its just common computer lingo IMO. XD just how I type sometimes.I shall highlight the grammar errors.
i played Emblemd Lord and he never tries a sideB~shieldbreaker. Why?
its too slow, easily avoided and punishable.
You also need 3 commas in the first paragraph I quoted.
English courses help.
It is you all not yall. You need several commas and you also need better sentence structure.
YOU'RE TOO SLOOOOW!
Never happens when you are competent.
You need at least 2 commas in the aforementioned paragraph.
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Ask Emblem Lord.
Don't care for your anecdotal evidence btw.
Depending on the players?Yea that sounds kinda reasonable maybe or it might be 40:60 depending on the players.
FD is everyone right? IDK I might be wrong.
But is say Smasville is good.
true true u got me. 35:65 I say then.Depending on the players?
Match ups are determined by two top level players of equal skill.
Lylat Cruise? I find that Sonic is pretty much beast against anyone on this stage.What about counter pick stages? Castle Siege doesn't seem like it would be too bad (well, the first stage would be troublesome, but all the transformations give you plenty of room to avoid Marth's pressure game).
What advantages do Marth's have on Lylat? Maybe I just played a scrubby Marth but it seemed like he didn't play any better, possibly worse. The edges usually screw over Marth's recovery because they move and Marth has a set recovery trajectory.Lylat is a great level for Marth. And yes marth can up b reverse out of shield with 5 invincibility frames, it's too broken.