Sonic Hitboxes/Hitbubbles

[Camalange]

Utilt has a pretty awesome vertical range, and surprisingly not too bad horizontal range. Regardless of the hitbubble possibly being a little off, it's nothing like nair -__- lol

 

[Jim Morrison]

This almost made me wanna play Sonic. Then I realized those hitboxes are whack.

 

[Phoenix_Dark]

Lol @ you dumb *****s who always tried to tell me N-air was useful. Get @ your non-existent hitboxes. Oh but it can almost set up a jab lock? Dumb *****s stay dumb. U-tilt is where it's at. KO someone with U-tilt, and watch their spirit shatter. You'll ruin their whole day.

 

[MarKO X]

nair has some "uses".
it can set up a jab lock. (lol)
it can "break" "combos."
it's also a neat alternative to fair after a spindash combo, as it's almost guaranteed to do max damage.

see, that's why I had to stop playing competitive Sonic. The Sonic 3 fan in me keeps imagining invincibility frames and this extended hitbox in the form of the insta-shield.

MetaKnight has the Sonic 3 nair though.

 

[Browny]

Bio, post some screenshots of jab 1 and 3 range, ill compare that with the sparks from normal brawl. if u dont mind, zoom in as much as you possibly can such that all of sonic and the hitbubble is visible, it will help...

Also im gonna say it. if the jab doesnt line up with the in-game screenshots of its maximum range, this whole hitbubble thing is wrong. the bair/ftilt might just be a random incident, its the first time ive seen anything like it. but on a lot of character boards ive seen a lot of attacks with truly ridiculous hitboxes, not surprisingly all involving scaling and lingering attacks. far too many instances of it being inccorect to be believed anymore imo (if jab is wrong)

 

[Chis]

Speaking of which, what is the disjoint of the sandbag's hurt box anyways? So how can we be so sure that the pictures are 100% correct?

 

[Isatis]

I don't have the Debug Pause code for a classic controller, so I can't make snapshots. Nor does my laptop want me to

The emphasis at the moment is to show which hitboxes are where and show that some exist that people thought didn't. You didn't know Sonic's Fair and Usmash had 4 separate hitbubbles now did you?

And I've said repeatedly that I'd fix the scaling errors in the PSA, no matter how many of them there are. I know they're wrong now, but there is a way to fix them.

 

[Browny]

Speaking of which, what is the disjoint of the sandbag's hurt box anyways? So how can we be so sure that the pictures are 100% correct?

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

the extent of the hurtbox is irrelevant, all that matters is the location of the glancing blow

you wont get 1 pixel to closer without it hitting or further with it missing. The very definition of range. Its next to impossible to get glancing blows on aerials, but for all ground moves thats as close as you can get...

jab is wrong because its so blatantly obvious. I cant believe how anyone would think it has that big range. its one of the worst jabs in the game for a reason.

 

[JayBee]

i like djs pics so much..
well, I'll just wait for the revisions then. Still interesting about moves like fair and bair though. too bad it made me think uptilt could beat tornado. that was silly of me.

 

[Kinzer]

jab is wrong because its so blatantly obvious. I cant believe how anyone would think it has that big range. its one of the worst jabs in the game for a reason.

You mean for reasons other than how it only does 7% damage, and Sonic gets a frame disadvantage if he tries to cancel it into anything else?

 

[Camalange]

Nair is still an awful way to end a spindash combo. I don't care what you punks say. Fair or Uair everytime. Bair if the opportunity is available.

 

[TwinkleToes]

Who is ending their spin-dash combos with nair?

Who is doing ANYTHING with nair?

 

[Camalange]

I read it in posts all the time.

It's frustrating.

 

[infomon]

I love Nair, especially SDJ > Nair. too pro.

It's a surprise kill move, I won a game with it just this past wknd.

DJ: Are you sure that the "spark area" is 1-pixel wide?

Also, what is the shape of a hurtbox, anyway?

 

[JayBee]

i like nair

when i use it is kinda random, tho. its really bad for beating anything tho.

 

[Kuraudo]

I use nair often after my Spin Dash/Spin Charge. If they're behind you though back air for the win.

 

[Camalange]

whyyyyyyyyyy

 

[Browny]

I love Nair

i like nair

I use nair often

You're all masochists

 

[Trent]

Wtf is Nair?

That move that gets rid of Pikmin that're on you?

 

[Kupo Rose]

Wtf is Nair?

That move that gets rid of Pikmin that're on you?

iirc spin charging gets rid of them too.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong though >.>

 

[infomon]

Spin Charing is what like 11 frames slower to come out?

 

[Browny]

So... did anyone ever find out how to fix that scaling problem?

 

[SothE700k]

What the ****!?!? Sonic's Bair hit straight below him!?! There's literally nothing there, and it hits!?
BAIR IS BROKEN! =DD

 

[Isatis]

Kita said he'd take up the scaling stuff on Sonic, so you're basically waiting on him

 

[Camalange]

What the ****!?!? Sonic's Bair hit straight below him!?! There's literally nothing there, and it hits!?
BAIR IS BROKEN! =DD

Yeah, but that hitbubble is an exaggeration. The hitbox below him isn't THAT big.


...that's what SHE said?

 

[Espy Rose]

Is there any way I could get these hitbox/bubbles on my Wii right now?

Have they been fixed, first of all?

 

[Browny]

Apparently not... blame kita, hes supposed to be fixing it >_>

 

[Isatis]

I'll see about re-scaling the hitboxes myself tomorrow if I get some time.

If you want them right now, right now? Put FitSonic.pac inside sd:\private\wii\app\RSBE\pf\fighter\sonic\ and run the "File Patch 3.5.1" code. In the match, down-taunt to activate hitbubbles, up-taunt to deactivate hitbubbles.

 

[Espy Rose]

I don't have the Pac for that. Is there something I'm missing?

 

[Isatis]

Whoops, forgot the download: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ifyq1hlqjnk

 

[LiL.Will]

Wow...I knew Bair's hitbox was good but I seriously didn't think it was THAT good. I can't wait to abuse that range even more. Uair's hitbox was good as well and lol at when Sonic did his Upsmash in normal motion it look like some mini rave.

Thanks for showing this Bionic Sonic.

 

[infomon]

Wow...I knew Bair's hitbox was good but I seriously didn't think it was THAT good. I can't wait to abuse that range even more. Uair's hitbox was good as well and lol at when Sonic did his Upsmash in normal motion it look like some mini rave.

Thanks for showing this Bionic Sonic.

no no no they're all broken don't listen aaaaaaaaaaah~~

 

[Tenki]

I have a question concerning these-

Do all of the hitbubbles... do damage?

I haven't looked at the char data but there's a possibility that certain bubbles either don't have damage attributed to them (left in during testing and forgotten about), or do something else, like wind/etc.

For example, I don't think I've ever seen anyone get hit by the bubble under F-tilt. However, I've never used it on a platform directly above someone either ._.;

 

[Browny]

did you not read the thread? there is clearly an issue with this hitbubble method, there is most DEFINITELY not a hitbox that low below ftilt or bair, you only have to test it for 1 second in-game to see that lol.

you cant trust anything in these pictures, if its not a scaling issue its imaginary hitbubbles lol...

 

[Tenki]

did you not read the thread?
...
lol...

actually, no, i didn't

:D