Pupp135
Smash Champion
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This was influenced by an incomplete thread, and I decided to make a thread where make something where SSB was created during the Switch Era.
Rules:
Before we start going into characters, I want to start with two different jobs as this will affect the decisions of who are eligible to join. For now, we’ll have Mario and Link as the first two confirmed fighters.
Job 1: How should Pokemon (Pokemon Company is technically not fully owned by Nintendo) and Third Parties be treated for Base Game? In this case, what is the maximum number of pokemon and third party characters allowed?
I’m fine with leaving the door open to Pokemon and third parties. As this is the first game, and there probably won’t be more than thirty fighters base game, I’ll propose a limit of three pokemon and two third party fighters. In the case of Pokemon, it allows us to add another fighter outside of Pikachu and a potential promotional pick.
Job 2: What is the timeline for the game’s release? This will affect who’s eligible as some characters may debut during the Switch era.
I think a late 2019/early 2020 release window would be good as it still allows for Switch era Legend of Zelda, Fire Emblem, Pokemon (assuming that we’re allowing Pokemon content), and Xenoblade games to be represented.
Rules:
- Please be respectful to others! Debate is welcome, but please keep it civil.
- While this is a scenario where SSB did not exist before the Switch (we decided on a Holiday 2021 release timeline), I encourage you to submit the characters/content YOU want, not just the ones you think would be most marketable.
- Non-Videogame content will be excluded.
I’m in agreement with Knee about avoiding any super complex UI gimmicks or comeback mechanics. I think our point of reference for complexity should be Brawl. We can have stuff like Wario Waft or Olimar’s Pikmin management, but less so Hero’s spell menu, and so forth. Let’s play a little neater within the lines of archetypes.
I think otherwise it should play more or less like Ultimate, as Pupp said. I’m okay with keeping side specials around, I think it would have been a natural feeling thing to implement even without the prior experience. But it could be interesting to explore without it! I’m pretty go with the flow on this stuff and I’ll just play by the rules once we establish them.
Something I do want to propose though - a proper EX meter. Final Smashes would be more unified in function similar to a super in Street Fighter or Guilty Gear. And just as well, a sufficient charge may provide a stronger version of a special attack. If we’re not going to explore individual character meters, maybe it would be appropriate to give everyone their own.
I think otherwise it should play more or less like Ultimate, as Pupp said. I’m okay with keeping side specials around, I think it would have been a natural feeling thing to implement even without the prior experience. But it could be interesting to explore without it! I’m pretty go with the flow on this stuff and I’ll just play by the rules once we establish them.
Something I do want to propose though - a proper EX meter. Final Smashes would be more unified in function similar to a super in Street Fighter or Guilty Gear. And just as well, a sufficient charge may provide a stronger version of a special attack. If we’re not going to explore individual character meters, maybe it would be appropriate to give everyone their own.
Mario (Super Mario) Moveset Recolors Alts (Refer to 7 and 8) | ![]() |
Princess Peach (Super Mario) Moveset Recolors | ![]() |
Princess Daisy (Super Mario) Recolors | ![]() |
Bowser (Super Mario) Moveset Recolors |
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Luigi (Super Mario) Moveset Recolors | ![]() |
Yoshi (Super Mario) Moveset Recolors |
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Donkey Kong (Donkey Kong) Moveset Recolors |
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Little Mac (Punch-Out!!) Moveset Recolors |
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Link (Legend of Zelda) Moveset Alts | ![]() |
Princess Zelda (Legend of Zelda) Moveset Recolors | ![]() |
Samus Aaran (Metroid) Moveset Recolors |
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Lucina (Fire Emblem) Moveset Recolors |
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Chrom (Fire Emblem) Recolors |
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Edelgard (Fire Emblem) Moveset Recolors |
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Kirby (Kirby) Moveset Recolors |
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King Dedede (Kirby) Moveset Recolors | ![]() |
Pokemon Trainer (Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Eevee) (Pokemon) Moveset Recolors | ![]() |
Sami (Advance Wars) Moveset Recolors |
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Isabelle (Animal Crossing) Moveset Alts |
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Tom Nook (Animal Crossing) Moveset Recolors |
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Pikmin & Olimar (Pikmin) Moveset Recolors |
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Pyra/Mythra (Xenoblade) Moveset Recolors | ![]() |
Pneuma (Xenoblade) Recolors |
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Inkling (Splatoon) Moveset Alts |
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Octoling (Splatoon) Recolors | |
Dr. Coyle (ARMS) Moveset Recolors |
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Single Player
Arcade Mode
Smash Adventure
All-Star
Target Test
Home Run Contest
Mob Smash
Training Mode
Multiplayer
Smash (Four player maximum)
Special Smash
Squad Strike
King of the Hill
Stage Builder
Arcade Mode
Smash Adventure
All-Star
Target Test
Home Run Contest
Mob Smash
Training Mode
Multiplayer
Smash (Four player maximum)
Special Smash
Squad Strike
King of the Hill
Stage Builder
Series Original | Smash Ball Assist Trophy Food Home Run Bat Timer |
Super Mario | Green Shell Blue/Spiny Shell Fire Flower Super Star Ice Flower Coin Super/Tanooki Leaf Super Mushroom Poison Mushroom Bob-Omb Lightning Bolt 1-Up Mushroom |
Donkey Kong | Banana G U N Hammer |
Yoshi | Egg Bomb |
Wario | Wario Bomb |
Legend of Zelda | Heart Container Ice Rod Sand Rod Deku Nut Pegasus Boots Bombchu |
Metroid | Screw Attack |
Fire Emblem | Nosferatu Killing Edge |
Kirby | Star Rod Warp Star Parasol Superspicy Curry |
Star Fox | Smart Bomb |
Pokemon | Pokeball Master Ball |
Animal Crossing | Pitfall Beehive |
Pikmin | Hocotate Bomb |
Xenoblade | Core Crystal |
Splatoon | Rainmaker |
ARMS | Shock Bomb |
Misc. | Ultra Hand Labo Piano |
Super Mario | Mario Princess Peach Princess Daisy Bowser Luigi Yoshi King Bob-Omb Hammer Bro Cosmic Clone King Boo Kamek Green Shell Blue/Spiny Shell Fire Flower Super Star Ice Flower Coin Super/Tanooki Leaf Super Mushroom Poison Mushroom Bob-Omb Lightning Bolt 1-Up Mushroom Koopa Troopa Piranha Plant Hammer Bro Birdo Goomba Mini Mario Toy Mario & Cappy Kooplings Fire Mario Toads Toadette Captain Toad Rosalina Bowser Jr. Bowser, Bowser Jr. & the Koopa King Boo King Boo Poulterpup Dr. Mario Viruses Pauline Wario Waluigi Petey Piranha Wiggler Boom Boom Pom Pom Ninji Spike Shy Guy Cat Mario Paper Mario Baby Mario Mario & Pipe Frame Mario & B Dasher Peach & Mach Bike Yoshi & Mach 8 |
Donkey Kong | Donkey Kong Banana G U N Hammer Cranky Kong Diddy Kong Dixie Kong Funky Kong Lanky Kong Cranky Kong Animal Friends (Rambi, Expresso, Squawks, Enguarde, Winky) King. K Rool Lord Frederick Tiki Tong Kong’s Banana Hoard Donkey Kong Jr. |
Punch-Out!! | Little Mac Bad Bull Doc Louie Glass Joe King Hippo Mr. Sandman Great Tiger Piston Hondo Bear Hugger Von Kaiser Super Macho Man |
Legend of Zelda | Link Princess Zelda Calamity Gabon Marin Heart Container Ice Rod Sand Rod Deku Nut Pegasus Boots Bombchu Guardian Impa Light Arrows Hylia Four Champions Master Sword Agahnim Toy Link Triforce Wind Fish Ocarina of Time Saria Sheik Ganondorf Skull Kid Majora’s Mask Tingle Midna Zant Ghirahim Sidon Purah Tetra Young Link Triforce |
Metroid | Samus Aaran Kraid Metroid Zero Suit Samus Ridley Mother Brain Chozo Statue Anthony Higgs Metroid Prime Dark Samus Sylux EMMI Raven Beak |
Fire Emblem | Edelgard Lucina Chrom Tiki Soren Noferatu Marth Lyn Ike Robin & Chrom Lissa Frederick Corrin Byleth Demitri Claude Rhea Seteth & Flayn Sothis Dorothea Yuri Anna Units’ Class 1 (Mercenary, Mage, Knight, Cavalier, Archer, Pegasus Knight) Units’ Class 2 (Myrmidon, Hunter, Priest, Dark Mage, Soldier, Brigand, Dragon Knight) |
Kirby | Kirby King Dedede Adeleine & Ribbon Magolor Kracko Marx Star Rod Warp Star Parasol Superspicy Curry Meta Knight Waddle Dee Gooey Lololo & Lalala Dyna Blade Bandana Waddle Dee Tarzana & Sectonia Waddle Doo Animal Friends Susie Three Mages |
Pokemon | Chase Elaine Pikachu Jigglypuff Eevee Pokeball Magikarp Scizor Gardevoir Garchomp Chandelure GoGoat Mimickyu Toxtricity Kanto Eeveelutions Jhoto Eveelutions Eeveelutions Red & Charizard Blue & Blastoise Leaf & Venusaur Pichu, Raichu, Alolan Raichu Igglybuff, Wigglytuff Professor Oak Meowth Mewtwo Team Magma Team Aqua Cynthia and Garchomp Zoroark Greninja Kukui and Rockru Grooky, Scorbunny, & Scobble Hop & Wooloo |
Advance Wars | Sami Olaf Andy Jake Rachel |
Animal Crossing | Isabelle Tom Nook Villagers Pitfall Beehive Redd Kapp’n Mabel KK Slider The Able Sisters Dodo Airlines (Orville and Wilbur) Lottie Timmy and Tommy Tortimer Rover Rosie Ankha |
Pikmin | Pikmin & Olimar Water Wraith Hocotate Bomb Alph Charlie Brittany Louie Emperor Bulbax Bulborb Plasm Wraith Hocotate Ship |
Xenoblade | Pyra Mythra Pneuma Nia Core Crystal Shulk Fiora Reyn Melia Elma Rex Rex (Master Driver) Zeke & Pandoria Tora & Poppi Morag and Brighid Malos Jin Lora Amathus Vandham Artifice Siren Dunban |
Splatoon | Inkling Octoling DJ Octavio Squid Sisters C. Q. Cumber Commander Tarter Enemy Octoling Off the Hook Inkling (Squid Form) Mr. Grizz Cap’n Cuddlefish Octocopter Rainmaker Judd & Li Judd Octobot King |
ARMS | Dr. Coyle Shock Bomb Spring Man Ribbon Girl Ninjara Mechanica Min Min Max Brass Master Mummy Lola Pop Byte & Barq |
Misc | Dragaux (Ring Fit Adventure) Ultra Hand Game & Watch Console Yoshi Bomb (Yoshi) Wario Bomb (Wario) Mach Rider (Mach Rider) Ducks (Duck Hunt) Dog and Ducks (Duck Hunt) Forman Spike (Wrecking Crew) Popo (Ice Climber) R.O.B. (Gyromite) Doshin the Giant Takamaru (The Mysterious Murasume Castle) Pit (Kid Icarus) Palutena (Kid Icarus) Ayumi Tachibana (Famicon Detective Club) Captain Falcon (F-Zero) Fox McCloud (Star Fox) Falco Lombardi (Star Fox) Wolf O’Donnel (Star Fox) Arwing (Star Fox) Smart Bomb (Star Fox) Ness (Mother) Lucas (Mother) Porky (Mother) Lip (Panel de Pon) Saki (Sin & Punishment) Isaac (Golden Sun) Felix (Golden Sun) Matthew (Golden Sun) Starfy (The Legendary Starfy) Matt (Wii Sports) Wii Fit Trainer (Wii Fit) Wii Balance Board (Wii Fit) Mallo (Pushmo) Monita (Nintendo Land) Clip & Snip (Snipperclips) Labo Piano (Labo) Dragonblood Prince (Dragalia Lost) The Stretchers (The Stretchers) Officer Howard (Astral Chain) Ring Fit Trainee (Ring Fit Adventure) Dragaux (Ring Fit Adventure) NES Game Boy SNES Virtual Boy N64 Gameboy Advance Gamecube DS Wii Remote 3DS Wii U Gamepad Nintendo Switch |
Bonus Fighter |
Rhythm Troupe (Rhythm Heaven) |
![]() ![]() Rhythm Fever (Rhythm Heaven) | History Cards Rhythm Troupe Sneaky Spirit Karate Joe Reporter and Wrestler Barista Wandering Samurai Sumo Brothers Tibby Animal Acrobat Mandrill Conductor Ms. Whiskers Tram and Poline | |
Wave 1 | ![]() Fox McCloud (Star Fox) Moveset Recolors |
![]() Corneria (Star Fox) | History Cards Andross General Pepper Leon Powalski Pigma Dengar James McCloud Kat Monroe Krystal Peppy Hare Slippy Toad ROB 64 Landmaster Great Fox | |
Wave 1 |
Wario (Wario) Moveset Recolors |
![]() Wario Ware (Wario Ware) | History Cards Ashley Mona Jimmy T. Dribble & Spitz Captain Syrup Rudy the Clown A Hidden Figure Golden Diva Shake King Kat & Ana 9-Volt Penny | |
Wave 2 | ![]() Off the Hook (Splatoon) | |||
Wave 2 |
Ganon (Legend of Zelda) |
Before we start going into characters, I want to start with two different jobs as this will affect the decisions of who are eligible to join. For now, we’ll have Mario and Link as the first two confirmed fighters.
Job 1: How should Pokemon (Pokemon Company is technically not fully owned by Nintendo) and Third Parties be treated for Base Game? In this case, what is the maximum number of pokemon and third party characters allowed?
I’m fine with leaving the door open to Pokemon and third parties. As this is the first game, and there probably won’t be more than thirty fighters base game, I’ll propose a limit of three pokemon and two third party fighters. In the case of Pokemon, it allows us to add another fighter outside of Pikachu and a potential promotional pick.
Job 2: What is the timeline for the game’s release? This will affect who’s eligible as some characters may debut during the Switch era.
I think a late 2019/early 2020 release window would be good as it still allows for Switch era Legend of Zelda, Fire Emblem, Pokemon (assuming that we’re allowing Pokemon content), and Xenoblade games to be represented.
Job 1: How Should We Handle Pokemon and Third Parties
Job 2: What is the Timeline for Release
Job 3: Submit a Fighter Count
Job 4: Submit a Gameplay Proposal
Job 5: Submit a Nintendo Character
Job 6: Submit a Stage for Super Mario and Legend of Zelda
Job 7: Submit a Number of Stages
Job 8: Submit a Number of Playable Clones
Job 9: Submit How Items Should Work And an Item Count
Job 10: Submit an Arcade Mode Format
Job 11: Submit a Splatoon and Kirby Stage
Job 12: Submit Mario and Link Movesets
Job 13: Submit Metroid and Animal Crossing Stages
Job 14: Submit a Maximum Number of Fighters per Battle
Job 15: Submit a Character from a Represented Franchise
Job 16: Submit Inkling and Kirby Movesets
Job 17: Submit a Collectible
Job 18: Submit a Single Player Minigame
Job 19: Submit a Multiplayer Game Mode
Job 20: Submit Samus and Isabelle Movesets
Job 21: Submit a Character from an Unrepresented Franchise
Job 22: Submit an Assist Trophy Count
Job 23: Submit a Maximum Number of Alt Costumes
Job 24: Submit a Maximum Number of Collectible
Job 25: Submit Stages franchise
Job 26: Submit Bowser and Peach Movesets
Job 27: Submit a Fighter
Job 28: Submit an Assist Trophy
Job 29: Submit a Donkey Kong and Fire Emblem Stage
Job 30: Submit a Pikmin and ARMS Stage
Job 31: Submit Movesets for Donkey Kong and Edelgard
Job 32: Submit a Fighter from an Unrepresented Franchise
Job 33: Submit an Assist Trophy not from a represented franchise
Job 34: Submit a Gamemode
Job 35: Submit an Arcade Mode Boss
Job 36: Submit Isabelle and Inkling Recolors and Alts
Job 37: Submit a Stage from Xenoblade and Pokemon
Job 38: Submit Olimar & Dr. Coyle Movesets
Check-In
Job 39: Submit a Fighter from a Represented Franchise
Job 40: Submit an Assist Trophy From a Franchise with a Fighter
Job 41: Submit a Stage (Open Ended)
Job 42: Submit a Samus and Kirby Recolors and Alts
Job 43: Submit a Boss Not from Legend of Zelda
Job 44: Submit Pokemon Trainer and Aegis Movesets
Job 45: Submit a Clone
Job 46: Submit an Assist Trophy
Job 47: Submit a Number of Bosses
Job 48: Submit Peach and Bowser Recolors and Alts
Job 49: Submit an All Star Mode Format
Job 50: Submit Edelgard and Donkey Kong Recolors and Alts
Job 51: Submit a Stage (Open Ended)
Job 52: Submit Luigi and Princess Zelda Movesets
Job 53: Submit a Fighter (Open Ended)
Job 54: Submit an Assist Trophy
Job 55: Submit a Boss
Job 56: Submit Recolors and Alts for Dr. Coyle and Olimar
Job 57: Submit a Stage
Job 58: Submit Movesets for King Dedede and Yoshi
Job 59: Submit a Fighter
Job 60: Nominate a Pokeball Pokemon for Kanto/Jhoto
Job 61: Submit Recolors and Alts for Pokemon Trainer and Aegis
Job 62: Submit an Assist Trophy
Job 62: Submit Luigi and Princess Zelda Recolors and Alts
Job 63: Submit a Stage
Job 64: Submit A Hoenn and Sinnoh Pokeball Pokemon
Job 65: Submit Movesets for Sami and Tom Nook
Job 66: Submit a Fighter (Open Ended)
Job 67: Submit an Assist Trophy
Job 68: Submit a Boss
Job 69: Submit Princess Daisy and Octoling Recolors and Alts
Job 70: Submit a Stage (Open Ended)
Job 71: Submit a Unova and Khalos Pokemon
Job 72: Submit a Lucina and Little Mac Moveset
Job 73: Submit an Approach to DLC
Job 74: Submit Yoshi and King Dedede Recolors and Alts
Job 75: Submit an Assist Trophy
Job 76: Submit a Stage
Job 77: Submit a Clone
Job 78: Submit Sami and Tom Nook Recolors and Alts
Job 79: Submit an Alola and Galar Pokemon
Job 80: Submit Lucina and Little Mac Recolors and Alts
Job 81: Submit an Assist Trophy
Job 82: Submit a Stage
Job 83: Submit Final Recolors and Alts
Job 84: Submit an Assist Trophy
Base Game Check-In
Job 2: What is the Timeline for Release
Job 3: Submit a Fighter Count
Job 4: Submit a Gameplay Proposal
Job 5: Submit a Nintendo Character
Job 6: Submit a Stage for Super Mario and Legend of Zelda
Job 7: Submit a Number of Stages
Job 8: Submit a Number of Playable Clones
Job 9: Submit How Items Should Work And an Item Count
Job 10: Submit an Arcade Mode Format
Job 11: Submit a Splatoon and Kirby Stage
Job 12: Submit Mario and Link Movesets
Job 13: Submit Metroid and Animal Crossing Stages
Job 14: Submit a Maximum Number of Fighters per Battle
Job 15: Submit a Character from a Represented Franchise
Job 16: Submit Inkling and Kirby Movesets
Job 17: Submit a Collectible
Job 18: Submit a Single Player Minigame
Job 19: Submit a Multiplayer Game Mode
Job 20: Submit Samus and Isabelle Movesets
Job 21: Submit a Character from an Unrepresented Franchise
Job 22: Submit an Assist Trophy Count
Job 23: Submit a Maximum Number of Alt Costumes
Job 24: Submit a Maximum Number of Collectible
Job 25: Submit Stages franchise
Job 26: Submit Bowser and Peach Movesets
Job 27: Submit a Fighter
Job 28: Submit an Assist Trophy
Job 29: Submit a Donkey Kong and Fire Emblem Stage
Job 30: Submit a Pikmin and ARMS Stage
Job 31: Submit Movesets for Donkey Kong and Edelgard
Job 32: Submit a Fighter from an Unrepresented Franchise
Job 33: Submit an Assist Trophy not from a represented franchise
Job 34: Submit a Gamemode
Job 35: Submit an Arcade Mode Boss
Job 36: Submit Isabelle and Inkling Recolors and Alts
Job 37: Submit a Stage from Xenoblade and Pokemon
Job 38: Submit Olimar & Dr. Coyle Movesets
Check-In
Job 39: Submit a Fighter from a Represented Franchise
Job 40: Submit an Assist Trophy From a Franchise with a Fighter
Job 41: Submit a Stage (Open Ended)
Job 42: Submit a Samus and Kirby Recolors and Alts
Job 43: Submit a Boss Not from Legend of Zelda
Job 44: Submit Pokemon Trainer and Aegis Movesets
Job 45: Submit a Clone
Job 46: Submit an Assist Trophy
Job 47: Submit a Number of Bosses
Job 48: Submit Peach and Bowser Recolors and Alts
Job 49: Submit an All Star Mode Format
Job 50: Submit Edelgard and Donkey Kong Recolors and Alts
Job 51: Submit a Stage (Open Ended)
Job 52: Submit Luigi and Princess Zelda Movesets
Job 53: Submit a Fighter (Open Ended)
Job 54: Submit an Assist Trophy
Job 55: Submit a Boss
Job 56: Submit Recolors and Alts for Dr. Coyle and Olimar
Job 57: Submit a Stage
Job 58: Submit Movesets for King Dedede and Yoshi
Job 59: Submit a Fighter
Job 60: Nominate a Pokeball Pokemon for Kanto/Jhoto
Job 61: Submit Recolors and Alts for Pokemon Trainer and Aegis
Job 62: Submit an Assist Trophy
Job 62: Submit Luigi and Princess Zelda Recolors and Alts
Job 63: Submit a Stage
Job 64: Submit A Hoenn and Sinnoh Pokeball Pokemon
Job 65: Submit Movesets for Sami and Tom Nook
Job 66: Submit a Fighter (Open Ended)
Job 67: Submit an Assist Trophy
Job 68: Submit a Boss
Job 69: Submit Princess Daisy and Octoling Recolors and Alts
Job 70: Submit a Stage (Open Ended)
Job 71: Submit a Unova and Khalos Pokemon
Job 72: Submit a Lucina and Little Mac Moveset
Job 73: Submit an Approach to DLC
Job 74: Submit Yoshi and King Dedede Recolors and Alts
Job 75: Submit an Assist Trophy
Job 76: Submit a Stage
Job 77: Submit a Clone
Job 78: Submit Sami and Tom Nook Recolors and Alts
Job 79: Submit an Alola and Galar Pokemon
Job 80: Submit Lucina and Little Mac Recolors and Alts
Job 81: Submit an Assist Trophy
Job 82: Submit a Stage
Job 83: Submit Final Recolors and Alts
Job 84: Submit an Assist Trophy
Base Game Check-In
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