Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[MainJPW]

Why doesn't Mario have one?

It’s because he’s not wearing shoes.

 

[Luigi The President]

Yeah, and we have Cloud for Square Enix, but you don't see me saying we don'y need Geno because of that, do you?

Counter: **** No!

Damn you tryna just bust out the ad hominem huh? Didn't know Geno was a cloned super soldier who wields a blade!
I'm talking about their NICHES AS DEMON HUNTERS BEING SIMILAR not who they represent.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I'd take Adeline. Aside from Geno, she was my most wanted Nintendo character to return to literally anything in a meaningful way. Say what you will about Star Allies but the DLC was amazing.

 

[Deleted member]

Phoenix Wright is no different to me from Mega Man and Simon: a character from a 3rd Party franchise that might as well be a Nintendo one. And he's only now going to non-Nintendo platforms other than mobile, but he's still consistently on Nintendo.
Besides that, no one can deny how fun of a character he would be. Just how much wacky stuff he could bring is just too good to pass up.

 

[lightdrago]

Yeah, and we have Cloud for Square Enix, but you don't see me saying we don'y need Geno because of that, do you?

I forgot about Geno wielding a huge ass sword in SMRPG. Is this a hidden weapon?

Counter: **** No!

Your opinion is wrong.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Why? I had no problem with your post

Which means you didn't see what it was, originally, then?

I still screwed up big time, though...

 

[ChronoBound]

This is the introduction to my analysis. Please tell me what you think, or whether you like it.

Spoiler: Introduction

Everyone is Here – The Impossible Made Possible: A Comprehensive Analysis of the Smash Ultimate Roster

Spoiler: Introduction

For the previous two Smash Bros. games (Smash 4 and Brawl), we had to wait over six years for the game’s release to happen. For Ultimate, its first newcomer was confirmed only two years after the end of Smash 4’s DLC. Ultimate also ended up being released during the same year as its announcement (compare that to Smash 4 where the game was first announced in 2011, but not shown until 2013, and not released until the end of 2014).

Much of the meta behind Ultimate and Ultimate’s roster is the fact that this game broke up a lot of the conventional norms for what speculators thought was the “norm” for the next game.

Who would have guessed that not only every single character from Smash 4 would return (Melee had been the only other game to bring back every veteran, and that was when there were only 12 veterans), but that every single veteran EVER would return including the likes of Pichu and Young Link?

Who would have guessed that Ridley would have made it in after Sakurai gave him one of the hardest deconfirmations back in November 2014 (where he flat out said Ridley was too big to be made into a fighter)?

Who would have guessed they would have gone back to Chrom after Sakurai more or less said the character was too uninteresting and was even mocked in official Smash material (the Robin/Lucina unveil trailer and the Palutena’s guidance for Robin)?

Who would have guessed that Metroid would have been the first franchise out of Metroid, Donkey Kong, Kirby, and Star Fox to make it to four playable characters when Ridley had a hard de-confirmation by Sakurai and Dark Samus herself made her last appearance in her own series back in 2007 and had less requests than the fourth possible characters for those other previously mentioned franchises (Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, and Krystal)?

Who would have guessed that not only Castlevania would gain a playable character, but it would have TWO playable characters, and massive selection of content (over 30 songs, an Assist Trophy, an item, and a stage that has a massive selection of cameos by Castlevania bosses)? Most in the speculation community were talking up the likes of Rayman, Shovel Knight, and Shantae over this historic and legendary franchise.

Ultimate has had the least amount of newcomers for ANY Smash Bros. game. (11). Smash 64 had 12 characters added, Melee added 14, Brawl added 18, and Smash 4 added 21 (17 on the base roster, plus another four newcomers through DLC). Yet, among veteran speculators there is for once a sense of satisfaction and not any bitterness about what was NOT included. Why is this?

A large reason for this is due to, in Sakurai’s own words, “the impossible being made possible”.

 

[Nekoo]

Funny enough I've heard Geno discussed as being decently likely for a while now.

Actually nothing changed and it's still 33%/33%/33% over three Characters that we don't know who it was exactly (or rather wasn't said public)
One was shut down and two were seriously discussed
Without knowing the end result.

Unless if I missed something-

 

[TMNTSSB4]

It's over
Link became a seeb neet who doesnt want to use the Master Sword.

damn Link

What do you guys think of Doomguy, Steve, Dante, Erdrick, and Lloyd as DLC?

I don’t dig it

They shoulda gave Snake a shirtless alt!

Everyone should be shirtless...and I do mean everyone

Can I just talk about how much I love the Ultimate opening? 100% the best one Smash has ever had.

Love you too, can you come be my President? I hate the new one, everyone does. I wish we could have at least kept Dracula.

I can’t decide between Brawl’s and Ultimate’s openings...they both so amazing

 

[Luigi The President]

Actually nothing changed and it's still 33%/33%/33% over three Characters that we don't know who it was exactly (or rather wasn't said public)
One was shut down and two were seriously discussed
Without knowing the end result.

Unless if I missed something-

I know. My point is that Geno isn't instantly ruled out as he was for a bit.

 

[FreeFox]

Pichu in a swimsuit?? Sign me up! ...jk

Nah! Pokémon get this treatment instead:

 

[Wyoming]

Hey now Phoenix hate is illegal.

It's in the Bible.

 

[praline]

damn Link

I don’t dig it

Everyone should be shirtless...and I do mean everyone

I can’t decide between Brawl’s and Ultimate’s openings...they both so amazing

I’d rather Wario and Dedede stay clothed.

 

[Kuon]

Which means you didn't see what it was, originally, then?

I still screwed up big time, though...

I don't think it's screwed up to have an opinion but maybe I did not see what you originally posted

 

[Moydow]

Your opinion is wrong.

Oh boy, are we bringing out the Ace Attorney gifs now?

If Phoenix gets in we should get Edgeworth and Godot as echo fighters too. :p

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Ah, yes, the host of The Game Awards.

George Keighley.

I call everyone who teases george

 

[Deleted member]

Damn you tryna just bust out the ad hominem huh? Didn't know Geno was a cloned super soldier who wields a blade!
I'm talking about their NICHES AS DEMON HUNTERS BEING SIMILAR not who they represent.

Alright fine. But even if they have the same niche, Dante would be still be the best Capcom inclusion aside from a Resident Evil character if you ask me. Roast me for waiting him more than Phoniex if you must, I will die on this hill.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I got exactly what I wanted from Phoenix in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3. I don't think he would translate very well into Smash.

Dante would be cool though. Donte was a lot of fun in Playstation All-stars Longest Name Ever, and I think he could be done even better in Smash.

BUT NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT ****ING LEON KENNEDY. THIS BOI NEEDS TO BE IN SMASH.

I mean c'mon. Resident Evil 2 was on N64 AND Gamecube and Resident Evil 4 was even originally a Gamecube Exclusive. He could even be our first horror game character rep. What's not to love?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

The problem with Phoenix is that he was already in Marvel vs Capcom Ultimate 3.
Not sure how you could make him much different from the goofy stuff he does there.

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[lightdrago]

Oh boy, are we bringing out the Ace Attorney gifs now?

If Phoenix gets in we should get Edgeworth and Godot as echo fighters too.

I’ll agree if we can bring in Apollo as another echo too.

And Franzika von Karma as a Richter echo.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

The problem with Phoenix is that he was already in Marvel vs Capcom Ultimate 3.
Not sure how you could make him much different from the goofy stuff he does there.

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Just take his MvC moveset and tweek them a bit to go down to smash standards

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I don't think it's screwed up to have an opinion but maybe I did not see what you originally posted

It wasn't an opinion on anything, anyway...

 

[Wyoming]

The problem with Phoenix is that he was already in Marvel vs Capcom Ultimate 3.
Not sure how you could make him much different from the goofy stuff he does there.

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Not a problem. Every Capcom character worth their salt was in there. We shouldn't reject another Capcom character because they've been in another fighter.

But I have three different archetypes for Phoenix that stays true to the character, all with a style and a theme that remains consistent. I am sure Sakurai can cook something up with a character that uses magical spiritual stones, your every day lawyer work, and the semantics of ladders and stepladders.

 

[Zinith]

The only clothing concern I have with my boi is "shoeless Yoshi"

*shudders*

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I call everyone who teases george

That there is what we call a quality save.

Alright fine. But even if they have the same niche, Dante would be still be the best Capcom inclusion aside from a Resident Evil character if you ask me. Roast me for waiting him more than Phoniex if you must, I will die on this hill.

I'll die with you. I really don't care for Phoenix as a character. His supporting cast is far more interesting. Would much rather have Dante or Leon.

 

[BXBX]

I would bet anything that Nintendo is not actually picking the next DLC. Based on the fact that Sakurai said he will say if he can make a character out of "their choice" and that he wrote a message in English and at the end saying stop spamming me please. It was such an obvious diversion. Like when a customer complains to you and you tell them it's not your decision its the manager etc.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

The only clothing concern I have with my boi is "shoeless Yoshi"

*shudders*

Uh... Isn't Boshi exactly that?

 

[Idon]

I got exactly what I wanted from Phoenix in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3. I don't think he would translate very well into Smash.

Dante would be cool though. Donte was a lot of fun in Playstation All-stars Longest Name Ever, and I think he could be done even better in Smash.

BUT NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT ****ING LEON KENNEDY. THIS BOI NEEDS TO BE IN SMASH.

I mean c'mon. Resident Evil 2 was on N64 AND Gamecube and Resident Evil 4 was even originally a Gamecube Exclusive. He could even be our first horror game character rep. What's not to love?

The fact that Chris Redfield's going to make it in before him because he's the Marth of the franchise.

 

[Kuon]

It wasn't an opinion on anything, anyway...

Oh, never mind then

 

[xAquaCrystal]

As a huge devil may cry fangirl kinda sad people don’t seem interested in Dante also Leon would by hyped af too

 

[Deleted member]

That there is what we call a quality save.

I'll die with you. I really don't care for Phoenix as a character. His supporting cast is far more interesting. Would much rather have Dante or Leon.

You know what's funny? We're probably not going get even half of the characters that get brought up in this thread XD.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

Tbh, I really wish 3rd Parties were more Nintendo focused, but I mean within their own franchises. Cloud still rubs me the wrong way because if you were a FF fan following it through Nintendo console, Cloud is pretty much a middle finger for keeping your brand loyalty.

This was never THAT serious of a rule though. Obviously, neither Nintendo or Sakurai cares that much about Nintendo ties. As long you are somewhat popular enough, have a gaming legacy they have a good shot at getting in. Even if you chose just Nintendo ties, some be picking the most obscure picks ever. If you just go with Nintendo ties, your limiting who could be great canidates as possible fighters. I'm personally glad that silly rule got broken in Smash 4. So, thank you Cloud!

 

[Zinith]

Uh... Isn't Boshi exactly that?

Only halfway for him...

Besides, it's not "official" ones I'm worried about. It's mods...

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

The fact that Chris Redfield's going to make it in before him because he's the Marth of the franchise.

Difference being that Leon is far more popular than Chris. But hell if we do get Chris, Leon Echo, bip bap bam.

 

[CallMeKnux]

I'm fine with Phoenix, but to be completely honest, I have trouble thinking about how his model would look in Smash.

I think Leon should definitely be the next Capcom rep tho. Probably my most wanted 3rd party rep.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Only halfway for him...

Besides, it's not "official" ones I'm worried about. It's mods...

Don't tease me with terrible thoughts George

 

[Deleted member]

The problem with Phoenix is that he was already in Marvel vs Capcom Ultimate 3.
Not sure how you could make him much different from the goofy stuff he does there.

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Ultimate Marvel VS. Capcom 3 was also seven years ago. I'm pretty sure Sakurai could probably make a diverse enough moveset and take notes from UMVC3 with references to the most recent titles after UMVC3 came out in 2011.

 

[lightdrago]

Alright fine. But even if they have the same niche, Dante would be still be the best Capcom inclusion aside from a Resident Evil character if you ask me. Roast me for waiting him more than Phoniex if you must, I will die on this hill.

Then perish.

 

[Deleted member]

Then perish.

Not if I take you with me XD.

 

[CallMeKnux]

The fact that Chris Redfield's going to make it in before him because he's the Marth of the franchise.

But Resident Evil 4 has been consistently rereleased multiple times on Nintendo systems, specifically the Switch, and has the most Nintendo ties.