Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Iko MattOrr]

It has been a while since I posted here helping with the ESRB leak from Smash 3DS. Hi everybody

So here's something you can try with the background if you have photoshop, and understand what happens to the image because of the low quality and artifacts caused by the recording.

Let's compare the clean background with the leaked background. Look at the spots marked in red, which are (at least to me) the most suspicious spots in the image.

View attachment 172360

Now, let's apply a filter to the clean background: Filter > Noise > Median.

See what happens to the waterfalls if I increase the value of the filter:
View attachment 172363

The waterfall from the right tends to dissapear, just like in the leaked image.

And this is what happens to the castle area:

View attachment 172364

Doesn't it look a lot more like the leaked image? I just played with the "median" filter in photoshop, that's all. You can try!

So, yeah... My point is that we have been look at the same exact background all the time, but it has been severely modified because of quality and artifacts stuff. Don't forget we are looking at the screenshot of a video in motion of a draft print.

(If you want the same result, apply Median 19 for the waterfalls and Median 28 for the castle area).

This is an awesome finding, and I think that it plays both in favor and against the leak.
-In favor, because it may just be a loss in quality causing those artifacts
-Against, because since the artifacts are consistent between the several Smash pictures and the rest of the photo seems less distorced, maybe the leaker applied that specific filter on the pictures before printing them, to make sure they were blurry enough.

In support of the second option, the picture of the hanging cylinder thing on the left has a texture, and said texture is WAY MORE blurry than anything else in the photo. Maybe that's a closer look at the banner, and maybe it's not blurry because of the camera but because the picture is natively blurry.

Unfortunatelly I can't find the part of the banner matching with the one on the cylinder and can't compare, if anyone has better eye than me and a better monitor overall (my monitor sucks) that would help.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

All this over some crystals and waterfalls.

I'm not a graphic artist expert. I can't get too into the nitty gritty about it.

But Grinch refuses to die after three solid days of investigation.

At this point I'm just along for the ride.

Obligatory music.

 

[Luigi The President]

A question.

Are we 100% sure the plant item thing is from Golden Sun?

Absolutely not
Consensus is that it's GS or original

 

[Untouch]

A question.

Are we 100% sure the plant item thing is from Golden Sun?

no, we arent

 

[Deleted member]

I'm sorry but the irony in this statement is astounding.

For the 100th time dudes: The reason the Grinch leak has legitimacy isn't because of the roster image, but because of the CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING IT.

Ofc anyone could fake the Smash Mural. That's never been the reason people clung to it. People believe it, because EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT IT MAKES IT SEEMS ACTUALLY LEGIT. That's why the background debunk is so dumb. Because none of us are hung up on the quality of something that's relatively easy to fake, but rather the insane CIRCUMSTANCES that it would take for this to be fake in the first place.

Is it REALLY that hard for people to understand that? The reason this makes the Rayman leak look like a goddamn joke, is because that proved that anyone could put any effort into making a leak look AUTHENTIC. But NO ONE has ever tried to legitimize a leak by providing an identity, and a company, and other authentic material made by a professional, putting ALL these individuals and companies at risk in the process. As well as creating fake promo material for ANOTHER totally random product, just to prove you really ARE someone who works in this field and handles this sort of material. And then casually set up a trail of breadcrumbs for internet detectives to follow and discover. And the effort necessary to fake this, is MONUMENTALLY larger than any leak ever. That's what makes this real, not the goddamn image, holy ****.

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

I would say it's the same reason. We are being tricked by the quality and artifacts. Certain colors tend to move caused by the same reason and this leads to the illusion that the crystals are indeed in different shapes and positions (I think the use of "totally different" is exaggerating too much tough). Look at the original leak with all the new characters and compare them with the official clean image.

View attachment 172372

Pac-Man for example just looks like a total red mess caused by the compression and motion of the video. See how there's some extra red parts that are not present in the real one:

View attachment 172373

you're making this leak feel more real everytime ;0;

 

[Noipoi]

A question.

Are we 100% sure the plant item thing is from Golden Sun?

Not at all.

 

[Luigi The President]

What reason do this people have to tell us the truth though? At least visual leakers give us EVIDENCE.

The more truths they get the more their reputation increases as does their popularity

 

[Will]

What reason do this people have to tell us the truth though? At least visual leakers give us EVIDENCE.

They're leakers. They don't have a reason, they just do.

A question.

Are we 100% sure the plant item thing is from Golden Sun?

No.

 

[TheCJBrine]

you're looking at the wrong castle
its the one under zelda's hand thats the big one

The one under Zelda's hand is the smaller one, and appears to be present in the leak.

 

[Deleted member]

I suppose I should've specified Ultimate-wise haha
Believe me I know. I recall insiders confirming Shovel Knight was in as DLC for 4!

It's all good, lol.

I just don't wanna jump the gun and assume just because the track record's good now means it's 100% infallible. Gematsu was doing pretty good until everything fell apart. Some things could be misinformation, outdated information, ETC.

 

[IMainKingKRool]

you're looking at the wrong castle
its the one under zelda's hand thats the big one

Thank you, Grinch! But our inconsistencies are in another castle!

 

[kirbstr]

How about we all just assume this leak is fake until we have actual evidence from Nintendo or Sakurai themselves that it could be real.

That way we can all hype responsibly while also taking a more critical perspective on the situation, void of our own emotions.

 

[TaichiYaegashi]

A question.

Are we 100% sure the plant item thing is from Golden Sun?

No, we're definitely not 100% sure (or at least no one should be IMO since all we do know currently is it's a sprout in a bubble.)
It could be a Smash original item for all we know.

 

[KMDP]

And what exactly have you seen?

He saw the true spirit of Christmas.

And his hype grew three sizes that day.

All this over some crystals and waterfalls.

I'm not a graphic artist expert. I can't get too into the nitty gritty about it.

But Grinch refuses to die after three solid days of investigation.

At this point I'm just along for the ride.

"Refusing to die after three days".

Guys, are we in some kind of Christ allegory?
When did Hallowe'en become Easter?

 

[Pyra]

It has been a while since I posted here helping with the ESRB leak from Smash 3DS. Hi everybody

So here's something you can try with the background if you have photoshop, and understand what happens to the image because of the low quality and artifacts caused by the recording.

Let's compare the clean background with the leaked background. Look at the spots marked in red, which are (at least to me) the most suspicious spots in the image.

View attachment 172360

Now, let's apply a filter to the clean background: Filter > Noise > Median.

See what happens to the waterfalls if I increase the value of the filter:
View attachment 172363

The waterfall from the right tends to dissapear, just like in the leaked image.

And this is what happens to the castle area:

View attachment 172364

Doesn't it look a lot more like the leaked image? I just played with the "median" filter in photoshop, that's all. You can try!

So, yeah... My point is that we have been look at the same exact background all the time, but it has been severely modified because of quality and artifacts stuff. Don't forget we are looking at the screenshot of a video in motion of a draft print.

(If you want the same result, apply Median 19 for the waterfalls and Median 28 for the castle area).

What the **** is it with me getting or making dinner that makes important things happen

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I would say it's the same reason. We are being tricked by the quality and artifacts. Certain colors tend to move caused by the same reason and this leads to the illusion that the crystals are indeed in different shapes and positions (I think the use of "totally different" is exaggerating too much tough). Look at the original leak with all the new characters and compare them with the official clean image.

View attachment 172372

Pac-Man for example just looks like a total red mess caused by the compression and motion of the video. See how there's some extra red parts that are not present in the real one:

View attachment 172373

Now this.

THIS IS REAL EVIDENCE RIGHT HERE.

None of that hypothetical **** all ya'll team real dudes have been preaching.

 

[Luigi The President]

For the 100th time dudes, goddamn. The reason the Grinch leak has legitimacy isn't because of the roster image, Jesus Christ, but because of the CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING IT.

Ofc anyone could fake the Smash Mural. That's never been the reason people clung to it. People believe it, because EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT IT MAKES IT SEEMS ACTUALLY LEGIT. That's why the background debunk is so ****ing ********. Because none of us are hung up on the quality of something that's relatively easy to fake, but rather the insane CIRCUMSTANCES that it would take for this to be fake in the first place.

Is it REALLY that hard for people to understand that? The reason this makes the Rayman leak look like a goddamn joke, is because that proved that anyone could put any effort into making a leak look AUTHENTIC. But NO ONE has ever tried to legitimize a leak by proving providing an identity, and a company, and other authentic material made by a professional, putting ALL these individuals and leaks in the process. And the effort necessary to fake this, is MONUMENTALLY larger than any leak ever. That's what makes this real, not the goddamn image, holy ****.

Hi there!

Please take a look at this handy pyramid:

What you're doing is called name-calling, the lowest of the low. Please use this pyramid to build handy arguments that are more constructive towards our discussion.

Have a nice day!

 

[Chrollo.]

All this over some crystals and waterfalls.

I'm not a graphic artist expert. I can't get too into the nitty gritty about it.

But Grinch refuses to die after three solid days of investigation.

At this point I'm just along for the ride.

You know what grew three times its size?

LEAK CONFIRMED

 

[FalKoopa]

No, we're definitely not 100% sure (or at least no one should be IMO since all we do know currently is it's a sprout in a bubble.)
It could be a Smash original item for all we know.

That's fair.
A lot of people are treating it like it's confirmation of Golden Sun so I was curious.
Isaac for Smash pls

 

[kylexv]

Here is a cleared-up of the banner, courtesy of Tr1pleDee on Reddit:

It also makes it easier to see the unrevealed characters.

He said it took him an insane amount of effort to do. So either the leaker went through a ludicrous amount of effort to create this, do a bunch of research to gain false credibility, and post it on Snapchat of all places, or the leak is real.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

I would say it's the same reason. We are being tricked by the quality and artifacts. Certain colors tend to move caused by the same reason and this leads to the illusion that the crystals are indeed in different shapes and positions (I think the use of "totally different" is exaggerating too much tough). Look at the original leak with all the new characters and compare them with the official clean image.

View attachment 172372

Pac-Man for example just looks like a total red mess caused by the compression and motion of the video. See how there's some extra red parts that are not present in the real one:

View attachment 172373

Now this.

THIS IS REAL EVIDENCE RIGHT HERE.

None of that hypothetical **** all ya'll team real dudes have been preaching.[/QUOTE]

And YOU were the one telling me not to be a braggart the other night.

Irony.

 

[Ridrool64]

At this point, I want a Smash Speculation anime. It would last for 40 episodes on each part of Smash Spec. (Teaser Saga, E3 Saga, August Saga, Grinch Saga, Release is a 10 part finale).

 

[Untouch]

The one under Zelda's hand is the smaller one, and appears to be present in the leak.

it isnt present, which is the point

 

[Pazzo.]

PAC-MAN looks odd because Ganondorf moved.

If fake, there was a LOT of changes made, holy moly.

 

[Metal Shop X]

It has been a while since I posted here helping with the ESRB leak from Smash 3DS. Hi everybody

So here's something you can try with the background if you have photoshop, and understand what happens to the image because of the low quality and artifacts caused by the recording.

Let's compare the clean background with the leaked background. Look at the spots marked in red, which are (at least to me) the most suspicious spots in the image.

View attachment 172360

Now, let's apply a filter to the clean background: Filter > Noise > Median.

See what happens to the waterfalls if I increase the value of the filter:
View attachment 172363

The waterfall from the right tends to dissapear, just like in the leaked image.

And this is what happens to the castle area:

View attachment 172364

Doesn't it look a lot more like the leaked image? I just played with the "median" filter in photoshop, that's all. You can try!

So, yeah... My point is that we have been look at the same exact background all the time, but it has been severely modified because of quality and artifacts stuff. Don't forget we are looking at the screenshot of a video in motion of a draft print.

(If you want the same result, apply Median 19 for the waterfalls and Median 28 for the castle area).

Not all heroes wear capes.

This leak is truly is the craziest **** I ever seen.

 

[xpnc]

It has been a while since I posted here helping with the ESRB leak from Smash 3DS. Hi everybody

So here's something you can try with the background if you have photoshop, and understand what happens to the image because of the low quality and artifacts caused by the recording.

Let's compare the clean background with the leaked background. Look at the spots marked in red, which are (at least to me) the most suspicious spots in the image.

View attachment 172360

Now, let's apply a filter to the clean background: Filter > Noise > Median.

See what happens to the waterfalls if I increase the value of the filter:
View attachment 172363

The waterfall from the right tends to dissapear, just like in the leaked image.

And this is what happens to the castle area:

View attachment 172364

Doesn't it look a lot more like the leaked image? I just played with the "median" filter in photoshop, that's all. You can try!

So, yeah... My point is that we have been look at the same exact background all the time, but it has been severely modified because of quality and artifacts stuff. Don't forget we are looking at the screenshot of a video in motion of a draft print.

(If you want the same result, apply Median 19 for the waterfalls and Median 28 for the castle area).

You absolute legend. God Bless you.

 

[dezeray112]

A question.

Are we 100% sure the plant item thing is from Golden Sun?

Like the others had stated, not really at the moment.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

How about we all just assume this leak is fake until we have actual evidence from Nintendo or Sakurai themselves that it could be real.

That way we can all hype responsibly while also taking a more critical perspective on the situation, void of our own emotions.

We don't need people to tell us to "hype responsibly" Let each individual decide how they want to handle their hype. We're all adults here.

 

[Artsy Omni]

Hey guys, just wanted to stop in and offer a download to the PSD I've been using to compare various versions of the banner to see if the background has changed. So far, I've got the Wendy's truck, the 21752px wide E3 banner (post-ridley), the off-screen empty banner from the E3, the most recent website banner, and the empty background from the leak.

If you guys can provide links to other versions of the banner, I can add them as well. If updated, it'll still be downloadable from the same link. =)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dh2k3q1pr58p870/smash banner comparison.psd?dl=0

 

[WaddleMatt]

Are we sure the LinkedIn account is deleted because right now we are discussing it on my discord server and someone has just sent screenshots showing they can still access both accounts, you just need to be logged in.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

What the **** is it with me getting or making dinner that makes important things happen

I shall now immortalize this in my sig. You’re welcome.

 

[Luigi The President]

You absolute legend. God Bless you.

100+ likes legend XPNC returns to bless their apprentice

We don't need people to tell us to "hype responsibly" Let each individual decide how they want to handle their hype. We're all adults here.

A vast majority of this thread are teenagers

 

[Androobie]

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You can't just blindly agree on the grounds of bias and expect to take it legitimately because he wrote an ubiquitous arrangement of lexicon.

That’s.

The.

****ing.

Joke.

 

[Pyra]

THIS IS REAL EVIDENCE RIGHT HERE.

None of that hypothetical **** all ya'll team real dudes have been preaching.

I feel attacked and I know you aren't talking about me because every time I thought of something like this I explicitly didn't say anything about it and all I've been doing is posting ****posts and recaps

Tell me you aren't attacking me ponycorn
pls

 

[ZephyrZ]

Exactly. The issue here is that you refuse to believe it, cause you're not convinced, and you're unaware of just how much camera quality and compression affect an image, and just how radically they can change it.

Thus, the only way to effectively convince you is to have you recreate the exact same conditions under which the snapchat screens were taken, and see for yourself just how much your own images get distorted. Literally, apply the scientific method to it. If you're not willing to that far, yet insist on clinging to that dumb argument, then that's on you. The background debunk is as equally stupid as the "Shulk is a photoshopped L.Mac" debate from the ESRB. It's probably the dumbest way to try and debunk the Grinch Leak. Which I do think COULD have better angles that I wish people who wanna prove is fake would approach and explore, but everyone is so hung up on believing the backgrounds being different is strong enough evidence to prove the leak could be faked.

Here's the thing, burden of proof falls on the leaker.

That said, I am still open to the possibility of it being real. I'm just going to need more actual evidence in its favor to be convinced.

I would say it's the same reason. We are being tricked by the quality and artifacts. Certain colors tend to move caused by the same reason and this leads to the illusion that the crystals are indeed in different shapes and positions (I think the use of "totally different" is exaggerating too much tough). Look at the original leak with all the new characters and compare them with the official clean image.

View attachment 172372

Pac-Man for example just looks like a total red mess caused by the compression and motion of the video. See how there's some extra red parts that are not present in the real one:

View attachment 172373

Pac-man is a little blurred there, but it still has nothing on those crystals.
I'm talking about these crystals, for the record.

That crystal on the right looks like it's in a "totally different" shape and position to me. I made sure to line the two images up to before I cropped them down like this, so I didn't just move one of the to the side.

 

[Sigran101]

Is it just me or does it seem like insiders have seen more than Ken and Incineroar? If they're right and the Grinch leak is fake, it seems like the box theory is still most likely wrong.

 

[Union of Darkness]

So while everyone is bending over backwards trying to prove/disprove the leak, has anyone stopped to consider that this man from the printshop is likely having his life torn apart by random people trying to contact him out of nowhere? Whether he is actually involved or not, his name is attached to this and it's not going to end well for him. Just something to think about.

 

[KingBroly]

Is it just me or does it seem like insiders have seen more than Ken and Incineroar? If they're right and the Grinch leak is fake, it seems like the box theory is still most likely wrong.

I agree that it looks like they've seen more. If I had to guess, this thing is missing Minecraft Steve. He completely disappeared from peoples' lips.

 

[Untouch]

Is it just me or does it seem like insiders have seen more than Ken and Incineroar? If they're right and the Grinch leak is fake, it seems like the box theory is still most likely wrong.

well vergeben has been talking about a square enjix rep