Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Luigi The President]

As excited as some of the Ultimate reveals have been, nothing tops the holy **** that is this:

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For me personally the thing no Smash can ever top is Snake flashing in during the Ultimate reveal.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, can ever really top that for me. It was just...it was beautiful.

 

[Knight Dude]

I vote we go back to debating the Squenix rep

A tier : Lara Croft, Crono, Adam "I didn't ask for this" Jensen, Maaaaybe Bub/Bob

A- tier (not for me but others like them): Sora, Geno

B tier (More FF): Tifa, Barret, Terra, Cecil, Black Mage, Chocobo

C tier (DQ stuff): Erdrick, that new guy, Eight, Slime

D for Dank tier: Gex

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Once again, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

You know what: leave. You don't belong here.

 

[Idon]

As excited as some of the Ultimate reveals have been, nothing tops the holy **** that is this:

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Yeah while I'm not the biggest fan of Cloud... He's the only character that got me to say "... no ****ing way."
The only character that's come remotely close is Shulk.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

As excited as some of the Ultimate reveals have been, nothing tops the holy **** that is this:

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That was the one thing no one saw coming. Well that and Planty boi.

After the Cloud announcement, I sat there in front of my computer screen with a blank face for about a minute wrapping my head around what the **** just happened.

 

[LetterO]

I was more excited about her and her reveal trailer than any other character. And even if she's a semi-clone, she's still a unique fighter, which allows her to have a long trailer than echoes. To me her trailer was very exciting, just in a more tame way. I know that's probably an oxymoron, but it's true. Not every reveal has to be big and in your face and full of energy to be exciting.

It was boring for me because mostly everyone already knew it was for Smash. It just went on for too long. For a fighting game, it indeed should be big and in your face and full of energy. It also didn't have anybody but Isabelle and the mailman, the trailer didn't have anybody else crossing over.

 

[Will]

A tier : Lara Croft, Crono, Adam "I didn't ask for this" Jensen, Maaaaybe Bub/Bob

A- tier (not for me but others like them): Sora, Geno

B tier (More FF): Tifa, Barret, Terra, Cecil, Black Mage, Chocobo

C tier (DQ stuff): Erdrick, that new guy, Eight, Slime

D for Dank tier: Gex

S Tier: THE QUEEN AND MILF OF ALL SQUEENIX

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I vote we go back to debating the Squenix rep

If it's not Space Invader, then there's some real missed potential

 

[LetterO]

A tier : Lara Croft, Crono, Adam "I didn't ask for this" Jensen, Maaaaybe Bub/Bob

A- tier (not for me but others like them): Sora, Geno

B tier (More FF): Tifa, Barret, Terra, Cecil, Black Mage, Chocobo

C tier (DQ stuff): Erdrick, that new guy, Eight, Slime

D for Dank tier: Gex

Where's Neku

 

[Deleted member]

For me personally the thing no Smash can ever top is Snake flashing in during the Ultimate reveal.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, can ever really top that for me. It was just...it was beautiful.

I thought Snake would be gone forever. A few months later and we've got 3 Konami characters. Funny world we live in.

 

[KMDP]

As excited as some of the Ultimate reveals have been, nothing tops the holy **** that is this:

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I will forever be disappointed in all the reactors who didn't recognize the stars and super iconic violin.

Praise be to Maximilian Dood, who actually understood it from the moment the stars showed up.

 

[ThatOneAnon]

You know what: leave. You don't belong here.

Do people like Shisoe not belong here either?

 

[Knight Dude]

As excited as some of the Ultimate reveals have been, nothing tops the holy **** that is this:

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Yeah Cloud's a character I thought would NEVER EVER happen. I'm not even a huge fan of the guy but he's easily got one of the top 5 reveals in Smash alone because of that.

 

[SoccerStar9001]

So we are talking Grinch leak again? I was team fake because poster was too good to be true and it was. I didn't rub any salt when it was disproved (I was busy salting about Isaac), but the biggest takeaway is to know that crazy leak can be made and a lack of denial doesn't mean confirmation.

 

[zeldasmash]

As someone who isn't that hyped about Isabelle, I'd say they timed her inclusion trailer poorly. It didn't do a good job hyping me up since I am not a big Animal Crossing Fan anymore.

But yea, hype is dependent on the person. I am super hyped even though I don't care about any of the newcomers and was Team Real, cause at least I still get to play as Ike, Roy, and Cloud.

Just hoping I get 1 DLC character that interests me.

I agree with the her inclusion being timed poorly, though I would argue that can be said about the reveals as a whole.

The August Direct had many reveals and when you factor in the reveals the final November Direct had, the August Direct and the November Direct should have switched in terms of reveals or lessened them. Isabelle's reveal in the September Direct sticks out like a sore thumb with how unhype it overall was and even Sakurai acknowledged how all over the place the reveals were to the point where he slowed them down to a drought after Isabelle.

I also feel the Assist Trophies were spaced out poorly. The November Direct was the graveyard of many people's dreams due to how many Assist Trophies were held off from being revealed until that point and The Grinch CERTAINLY didn't help matters.

 

[Blargg888]

No, what happened was I used the same bait twice and you still fell for it.
I still do agree that Team Fake has every right in the world to laugh at Team Real.

Honestly, I don't believe you.

Maybe you were joking about it at one point, but it feels like that's not true anymore.

And why would you want someone to think you're making real death threats? Does that not strike you as an bad idea?

It was boring for me because mostly everyone already knew it was for Smash. It just went on for too long. For a fighting game, it indeed should be big and in your face and full of energy. It also didn't have anybody but Isabelle and the mailman, the trailer didn't have anybody else crossing over.

Honestly, it was about the same length as every other SSBU trailer. It even had the same pacing as the others.

I think what made it come off differently was the presentation.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

You know what: leave. You don't belong here.

I remember when I inadvertently called some one out and someone told me that. What I did was just a simple mistake, I meant no actual harm back then, just bad wording, that is all. And I apologized to that guy through PM, too. However, I can see WHY you said that to Anon. He is not being socially...productive for a lack of a better word, no offense to him, but I do think he can do better than this.

 

[Kuon]

No, it is a big deal. We can’t simply pretend it didn’t happen. Otherwise, nothing will change. History will repeat itself.
The people who believed it SHOULD be shamed and insulted so that they don’t blindly believe anything again.

But the thing is, it's going to happen again, even if we tell them they shouldn't act that way again. History will repeat itself. When the next Smash game is announced, and convincing leaks like this come around, people are going to believe it, get overhyped, and then be let down if it's fake. We're human, and it's natural to get excited about stuff that we want to hear. So even if we tell them and tell ourselves to not make this same mistake again, it's going to happen, because that's just how people are

 

[Deleted member]

I will forever be disappointed in all the reactors who didn't recognize the stars and super iconic violin.

Praise be to Maximilian Dood, who actually understood it from the moment the stars showed up.

It's my fault for not recognizing Bombing Mission simply because I hadn't played FFVII yet. Shame on me. I'm pretty sure I had the emulator set up long before that day too...

 

[Will]

You know what: leave. You don't belong here.

That's just pathetic. There's no joke here this is the worst thing I've had to witness with my eyeballs.

 

[ThatOneAnon]

Honestly, I don't believe you.

Maybe you were joking about it at one point, but it feels like that's true anymore.

And why would you want someone to think you're making real death threats? Does that not strike you as an bad idea?


Honestly, it was about the same length as every other SSBU trailer. It even had the same pacing as the others.

I think what made it come off differently was the presentation.

I didn’t make any death threats, though.
...You’re right, though. I think I need to stop.

 

[Zinith]

I think the closest thing to being excited for me this speculation cycle was Richter and my boi's Final Smash

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Okay, but can we all agree that these two are the biggest "Oh, ****!" moments?

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Only the DK part I agree with

No, it is a big deal. We can’t simply pretend it didn’t happen. Otherwise, nothing will change. History will repeat itself.
The people who believed it SHOULD be shamed and insulted so that they don’t blindly believe anything again.

Uh....
How about no.

Once again, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

You know what: leave. You don't belong here.

What The **** with the Enzo Amore like moment

 

[SuperSceptile15]

There are people out there who are hyped as **** about Piranha Plant. You can't decide what is hype.






You can however decide what isn't hype though, Isabelle isn't hype, **** Isabelle.
I'm joking of course I like all of Ultimate's newcomers

I think Isabelle would have been better received if her trailer wasn't so boring and the Direct wasn't delayed.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Everyone who has replied to me was on Team Real LOL

Luigi The President wasn't on team real. She may of been not on "team real", but at least she has some human decency, something that you, ThatOneAnon , lack.

You seem to want to spread negativity everywhere you go, everytime you post. Can you not be humble and actually be a responsible person instead of being a jerk and wanting people to pick on the people who believed that grinch leak. Oh, Im soooo sorry people wanted to believe that their favorite character wanted in, what a crime.

I get that what a lot of what team real did wasn't good, I understand that, but what you're currently trying to do now: telling people to shame, mock, and harass people who believed the leak, is nearly just as bad as what a lot of team real did. You have no room to talk, you absolute ****ing hypocrite.

Go outside, take a walk, hang out with friends, read a book, do something productive with your live instead of acting like another typical internet troll who wants to get attention by baiting people into replying and trying to talk to you. This is the last time in a long while I'll reply to you, because as much as you wanna deny it, you're a lost cause who can't comprehend that what you're doing is not good or nice.

 

[Kuon]

It was boring for me because mostly everyone already knew it was for Smash. It just went on for too long. For a fighting game, it indeed should be big and in your face and full of energy. It also didn't have anybody but Isabelle and the mailman, the trailer didn't have anybody else crossing over.

But for a character like Isabelle it should be calm. Animal Crossing is calm. The trailer, though for Smash, was of the Animal Crossing nature. It was supposed to be calm and not action-packed because that's not the kind of character Isabelle is. The trailer fit for the her and her series

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Hypest moments?

Yeah, for K.Rool, I knew once it got to Link/Zelda vs. Dorf. The screen shaking was just me curious, and Mario/Bowser was a set up. But at the Zelda crew, I knew it was villains, and I knew who was coming.

I was also at work so I was trying so hard not to scream out loud.

Also, I was scared to watch at E3, so I waited until it was over and then just checked to see if Ridley was in. And that's where I was the trainer was back, but I didn't look at who else or how many characters were there. Cue me going straight to Youtube to watch, and I was smiling the whole time. I loved the 'Everyone is Here' trailer - I wasn't counting at the time; every character was a 'yeah, makes sense they'd return' or a 'really? They're back?', but once we hit Snake I was shocked. I didn't expect him with Konami's implosion. Cue 'EVERYONE IS HERE' and then PICHU?! OMG EVERYONE IS HERE!!!

 

[Knight Dude]

I will forever be disappointed in all the reactors who didn't recognize the stars and super iconic violin.

Praise be to Maximilian Dood, who actually understood it from the moment the stars showed up.

Yeah he's only one who noticed it, definitely a fan of FF7.

S Tier: THE QUEEN AND MILF OF ALL SQUEENIX

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Will she cook up the bodybags?

Where's Neku

Color Swap for Sora. Many feelings will be felt.

 

[Good Guy Giygas]

I was more excited about her and her reveal trailer than any other character. And even if she's a semi-clone, she's still a unique fighter, which allows her to have a long trailer than echoes. To me her trailer was very exciting, just in a more tame way. I know that's probably an oxymoron, but it's true. Not every reveal has to be big and in your face and full of energy to be exciting.

I think it's fine for you to be excited for a character you wanted, and I agree that not all trailers have to be exciting. But as a non-Animal Crossing player, if they wanted her trailer to convince someone in my position to become interested in her, then her trailer definitely did not really succeed in that regard. However, I do think Villager's trailer did a better job of handling how to do an understated Animal Crossing reveal. It wasn't super flashy, but it worked.

Honestly if it weren't for all the memes that came about after Isabelle's announcement, I'd probably still be pretty "meh" on her. The memes did more for me than her trailer did, that's for sure.

 

[Luigi The President]

Do people like Shisoe not belong here either?

Ohhh now you ****ed up bringing Shi into this

Reported.

 

[Idon]

Man, I would really like a character that does job-changing.
It's such an iconic feature to JRPGs and is extremely specific to FF that I'm really surprised no character has done it.

That said, I nominate Warrior of Light, Cecil, Bartz,Onion Knight/Luneth, or Tiz Arrior for the jack-of-all-trades JRPG character.

Or **** it, give me Terra Branford because she's the most magicky of the FF protagonists.
Wait, no. Ramza Beoulve because he chucks pebbles at people.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

But the thing is, it's going to happen again, even if we tell them they shouldn't act that way again. History will repeat itself. When the next Smash game is announced, and convincing leaks like this come around, people are going to believe it, get overhyped, and then be let down if it's fake. We're human, and it's natural to get excited about stuff that we want to hear. So even if we tell them and tell ourselves to not make this same mistake again, it's going to happen, because that's just how people are

Exactly! We are beings built with emotions. As good as they can be, they kind of hinder us from learning from our mistakes altogether, or is there anything additional that contributes to that? Either way, no matter what was learned, Smash fans will repeat this process in regards to the next Smash game when it is time for speculation, whenever that is, especially the newer fans who may be young or did not have anything to do with Smash Bros. Ultimate speculation, thus, were not here to learn from those mistakes. But the kind of fans who will do that aren't limited to those, for it can be anyone.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Luigi The President wasn't on team real. He may of been not on "team real", but at least he has some human decency, something that you, ThatOneAnon , lack.

You seem to want to spread negativity everywhere you go, everytime you post. Can you not be humble and actually be a responsible person instead of being a jerk and wanting people to pick on the people who believed that grinch leak. Oh, Im soooo sorry people wanted to believe that their favorite character wanted in, what a crime.

I get that what a lot of what team real did wasn't good, I understand that, but what you're currently trying to do now: telling people to shame, mock, and harass people who believed the leak, is nearly just as bad as what a lot of team real did. You have no room to talk, you absolute ****ing hypocrite.

Go outside, take a walk, hang out with friends, read a book, do something productive with your live instead of acting like another typical internet troll who wants to get attention by baiting people into replying and trying to talk to you. This is the last time in a long while I'll reply to you, because as much as you wanna deny it, you're a lost cause who can't comprehend that what you're doing is not good or nice.

Ehhh, Luigi is a she. Just want to point that out.

 

[Deleted member]

Hypest Smash moments for me where "Everyone is Here!", Ridley's Trailer, and Simon's Trailer. Oh, and the World of Light trailer.

 

[Luigi The President]

Luigi The President wasn't on team real. He may of been not on "team real", but at least he has some human decency, something that you, ThatOneAnon , lack.

You seem to want to spread negativity everywhere you go, everytime you post. Can you not be humble and actually be a responsible person instead of being a jerk and wanting people to pick on the people who believed that grinch leak. Oh, Im soooo sorry people wanted to believe that their favorite character wanted in, what a crime.

I get that what a lot of what team real did wasn't good, I understand that, but what you're currently trying to do now: telling people to shame, mock, and harass people who believed the leak, is nearly just as bad as what a lot of team real did. You have no room to talk, you absolute ****ing hypocrite.

Go outside, take a walk, hang out with friends, read a book, do something productive with your live instead of acting like another typical internet troll who wants to get attention by baiting people into replying and trying to talk to you. This is the last time in a long while I'll reply to you, because as much as you wanna deny it, you're a lost cause who can't comprehend that what you're doing is not good or nice.

Good post Jacob.
Seriously, some people just get...far, far into Smash speculation. And I'm speaking as someone who did just that in 2014.

Ehhh, Luigi is a she. Just want to point that out.

True, thanks Rex, I don't mind though long as that kick-ass post stays up that Jacob made.

 

[Kuon]

I think it's fine for you to be excited for a character you wanted, and I agree that not all trailers have to be exciting. But as a non-Animal Crossing player, if they wanted her trailer to convince someone in my position to become interested in her, then her trailer definitely did not really succeed in that regard. However, I do think Villager's trailer did a better job of handling how to do an understated Animal Crossing reveal. It wasn't super flashy, but it worked.

Honestly if it weren't for all the memes that came about after Isabelle's announcement, I'd probably still be pretty "meh" on her. The memes did more for me that her trailer did, that's for sure.

I do agree that the memes about her are pretty great

 

[LetterO]

But for a character like Isabelle it should be calm. Animal Crossing is calm. The trailer, though for Smash, was of the Animal Crossing nature. It was supposed to be calm and not action-packed because that's not the kind of character Isabelle is. The trailer fit for the her and her series

But the pacing was still super slow and it had a lack of a crossover feeling that every other trailer had. Thats my main two gripes.

 

[ThatOneAnon]

Luigi The President wasn't on team real. He may of been not on "team real", but at least he has some human decency, something that you, ThatOneAnon , lack.

You seem to want to spread negativity everywhere you go, everytime you post. Can you not be humble and actually be a responsible person instead of being a jerk and wanting people to pick on the people who believed that grinch leak. Oh, Im soooo sorry people wanted to believe that their favorite character wanted in, what a crime.

I get that what a lot of what team real did wasn't good, I understand that, but what you're currently trying to do now: telling people to shame, mock, and harass people who believed the leak, is nearly just as bad as what a lot of team real did. You have no room to talk, you absolute ****ing hypocrite.

Go outside, take a walk, hang out with friends, read a book, do something productive with your live instead of acting like another typical internet troll who wants to get attention by baiting people into replying and trying to talk to you. This is the last time in a long while I'll reply to you, because as much as you wanna deny it, you're a lost cause who can't comprehend that what you're doing is not good or nice.

I mean, considering a lot of what I say is bait, I DO know a lot of it isn’t nice.
But again...you guys are right. I act like a completely different person here compared to how I act on the rest of the internet and real life. I think I’m gonna take a break from this forum for a while. I’ll lurk, but I won’t post. Even if I don’t mean a lot of what I say here, it doesn’t excuse it.

 

[KMDP]

But the thing is, it's going to happen again, even if we tell them they shouldn't act that way again. History will repeat itself. When the next Smash game is announced, and convincing leaks like this come around, people are going to believe it, get overhyped, and then be let down if it's fake. We're human, and it's natural to get excited about stuff that we want to hear. So even if we tell them and tell ourselves to not make this same mistake again, it's going to happen, because that's just how people are

It will happen again because the people who'll get hyped about the next convincing leak will be different from those who were convinced by the Grinch Hoax.

It's my fault for not recognizing Bombing Mission simply because I hadn't played FFVII yet. Shame on me. I'm pretty sure I had the emulator set up long before that day too...

It's fine if you hadn't played Final Fantasy yet, obviously.

I'd say Bombing Mission is one of the most iconic Video Game openings of all time, though. So much so that it was recreated as a tech demo for the PS3.

 

[Iridium]

Nothing tops Simon and Richter's reveal for me, with the amount of detail given about them and the content they brought with them. Ken and Incineroar are a close second.