Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[True Blue Warrior]

What if:
>Final Fantasy gets 32 songs
>All of them are from FFXIII

My reaction?

Spoiler

Regardless of the situation that was a character that took development time to make.

Reused assets or not, Chorm is someone who needed to be modeled, rigged, and balanced.

Also push come to shove like with & it is possible to take assets from preexisting things and make something new.

That's the great thing about working with models and 3D work in general. You don't have to start over 'From Scratch" all the time. In a lot of cases not all mind you but a lot of the time, you just need to do something once. That one thing can be alternated in anyway you wish from then on out. Don't fall for PR speak.

Thing is, it doesn't really matter since all of the factors that made Chrom a favourable choice for Sakurai doesn't apply to any Xenoblade character back when the roster was finalised which is why the comparison between FE and Xenoblade for the base roster falls flat. The roster direction for this game simply doesn't favour a Xenoblade character for the base roster and thus there really is no reason to expect one for the base roster. Chrom and Rex/Elma are simply not comparable.

 

[Pakky]

"balanced" Here is some interesting facts about echoes...

That they can be anything that exists ion the game already but not from just one character.

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Therefore the combination of multiple things would still need balancing, or is that incorrect?

My reaction?


Thing is, it doesn't really matter since all of the factors that made Chrom a favourable choice for Sakurai doesn't apply to any Xenoblade character back when the roster was finalised which is why the comparison between FE and Xenoblade for the base roster falls flat. The roster direction for this game simply doesn't favour a Xenoblade character for the base roster and thus there really is no reason to expect one for the base roster. Chrom and Rex/Elma are simply not comparable.

Do we know this?

We don't know what the man is thinking and in the final hour things presumably can be cobbled together.

 

[CrunchyCHEEZIT]

also politics

wish they'd add an alt skin for chrom where he's wearing nothing but a MAGA hat

*anguished screaming*

 

[sdpdude9]

So general consensus seems to be a direct is likely happening soon. When is everybody betting on this happening? I'm think possibly this week or next week at the latest.

 

[ThreeT]

So general consensus seems to be a direct is likely happening soon. When is everybody betting on this happening? I'm think possibly this week or next week at the latest.

The week of November 8th or right after

 

[Androobie]

wish they'd add an alt skin for chrom where he's wearing nothing

I’d be down with naked Chrom.

 

[CosmicQuark]

You're saying it like we can have arguments about Fire Emblem that's not heated.

Fire Emblem... heated...

Now you're just setting me up for another one of my dumb puns.

 

[KMDP]

Let’s all repeat the mantra, it’s only a video game. And if you think you’re gonna go into the video game and recapture your childhoods, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

You mean Smash Ultimate won't turn us all into kids, right all wrongs, cure all diseases and fix world hunger?

What planet are you on?

 

[osby]

That they can be anything that exists ion the game already but not from just one character.

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Therefore the combination of multiple things would still need balancing, or is that incorrect?

Sure, but a unique character would require a ton of more balancing, so I don't know what are we discussing.

Let’s all repeat the mantra, it’s only a video game. And if you think you’re gonna go into the video game and recapture your childhoods, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

Characters won't bring my long gone childhood? Then why the **** they are in the game?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

My reaction?

Spoiler

I think the reaction you're looking for is

Spoiler

 

[Pazzo.]

Let’s all repeat the mantra, it’s only a video game. And if you think you’re gonna go into the video game and recapture your childhoods, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

I never had a childhood, I was dropped off by aliens at age 21

 

[CosmicQuark]

Let’s all repeat the mantra, it’s only a video game. And if you think you’re gonna go into the video game and recapture your childhoods, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

Um... that's kinda Smash's thing. Ya know--playing with video game characters, like playing with childhood toys.

Watching Sakurai treat your childhood characters better than Microsoft ever could...

 

[Pakky]

Sure, but a unique character would require a ton of more balancing, so I don't know what are we discussing.

As would an echo presumably,no? Depending on what combination of parts they have. Seeing as how echo can mean just about anything.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Gotta say, a Direct in November is a bit of a weight off. Now I won't spend the next week being like "it's gotta be today..."

 

[Deleted member]

As would an echo no? Depending on what combination of parts they have. Seeing as how echo can mean just about anything.

Pretty sure echoes need the exact same movement stats as their base character, which is why Dr. Amigo isn't one. I've also heard echoes are designed so they only need to be balanced relative to their base character rather than the entire roster, but I'm going to need a source for that one.

 

[osby]

Um... that's kinda Smash's thing. Ya know--playing with video game characters, like playing with childhood toys.

Watching Sakurai treat your childhood characters better than Microsoft ever could...

I mean, yeah, but some people are taking this too seriously, like Smash owes them their nostalgia or something.

As would an echo no? Depending on what combination of parts they have. Seeing as how echo can mean just about anything.

"Sharing all of their stats and attacks with other fighters" isn't "just about everything".

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

CosmicQuark, post: 22574209, member: 403813"]Um... that's kinda Smash's thing. Ya know--playing with video game characters, like playing with childhood toys.

Watching Sakurai treat your childhood characters better than Microsoft ever could...

Smash isn't just a celebration of nostalgic video games, it's a celebration of all video games, old and new...
Also, I'll have you know that I enjoy Nuts & Bolts more than the OG Banjo games.

 

[Deleted member]

You say that as if FFXIII had a bad ost when Blinded by light exist

Yeah but that means we won't get Battle Against the Four Fiends, Battle at the Big Bridge, Battle to the Death nor this banger

man why do all the good FF songs have battle in them?
It's really disappointing to have all this music so close yet so far because FF still only has two songs

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah but that means we won't get Battle Against the Four Fiends, Battle at the Big Bridge, Battle to the Death nor this banger
man why do all the good FF songs have battle in them?
It's really disappointing to have all this music so close yet so far because FF still only has two songs

Needs more Man With The Machine Gun.

Even if we did get more music, it would probably be limited to FFVII.

 

[Wyoming]

Gotta say, a Direct in November is a bit of a weight off. Now I won't spend the next week being like "it's gotta be today..."

Usually I wait to see if they announce anything on Sunday. if not, I assume there's no news for the week.

Works fine for mewhen you are busy with a job, relationships, etc.

 

[Flyboy]

Let’s all repeat the mantra, it’s only a video game. And if you think you’re gonna go into the video game and recapture your childhoods, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

What if my childhood was the Brawl speculation scene and I'm having the time of my life? What then?!

 

[osby]

Smash isn't just a celebration of nostalgic video games, it's a celebration of all video games, old and new...
Also, I'll have you know that I enjoy Nuts & Bolts more than the OG Banjo games.

I think you meant "old and Splatoon".

Don't want to sound ungrateful but I need new Nintendo franchises other than that, please, my crops are dying.

 

[Door Key Pig]

It's because he could work as both DLC and base game, while other characters people want, such as a RH rep or Elma, are probably out for good if they aren't in base game. I still think Geno is base however.

Gosh, that low a chance, huh? I wonder if maybe they could be an exception to "popular DLC choices" if they barely missed being in the base game again. If they're in the base, maybe they're a surprise last character choice that avoided getting leaked or wouldn't be expected?

 

[Pakky]

Pretty sure echoes need the exact same movement stats as their base character, which is why Dr. Amigo isn't one. I've also heard echoes are designed so they only need to be balanced relative to their base character rather than the entire roster, but I'm going to need a source for that one.

But then has a different dodge. Is that statically the same as dodge?

Genuine question.

"Sharing all of their stats and attacks with other fighters" isn't "just about everything".

But wouldn't being an echo of but with parts like make you different statically?

Also being but balanced throughout like would effectively make you different from the base, would it not?

 

[CosmicQuark]

Smash isn't just a celebration of nostalgic video games, it's a celebration of all video games, old and new...
Also, I'll have you know that I enjoy Nuts & Bolts more than the OG Banjo games.

I never said... it wasn't?

 

[osby]

But then has a different dodge. Is that statically the same as dodge?

Genuine question.

We don't know, because it's hard to compare them without game being out properly. Everyone says is better, but I don't think you can deduct the certain numbers just by looking at the animations.

 

[Opossum]

You're saying it like we can have arguments about Fire Emblem that's not heated.

Ogma as a Cloud echo with Simon's Axe and Ike's Counter. You heard it here first, folks.

 

[osby]

I never said... it wasn't?

You said "childhood toys", intead of just "toys", so that might have cause a misunderstanding.

 

[Fenriraga]

Yeah, actually, can someone refresh me on what the differences between and are that we've seen? Sakurai touted that her and Chrom are at least a little different than their counterparts, and that's more than apparent with , but I swear I can barely tell what Sam and Evil Sam have different from each other.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

What planet are you on?

Luyten b, actually.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I think you meant "old and Splatoon".

Don't want to sound ungrateful but I need new Nintendo franchises other than that, please, my crops are dying.

Well, they can start by adding ARMS and RH because other than that, that's all that they really have in that department currently...
Please Nintendo, make some new riveting franchises... You can't rely on your old ones forever

 

[CosmicQuark]

You said "childhood toys", intead of just "toys", so that might have cause a misunderstanding.

It's a reference to Smash 64. I wasn't implying only childhood characters... I simply said video game characters.

 

[Thinkaman]

BTW, PushDustIn , has there been no Sakurai Famitsu column for the past 3 weeks???

 

[Opossum]

The roll differences are just aesthetic. It being faster than Samus' roll was just a placebo.

As far as I know, Dark Samus is in the same boat as Daisy and Richter as far as having no non-aesthetic differences so far.

 

[SonicMario]

BTW, PushDustIn , has there been no Sakurai Famitsu column for the past 3 weeks???

Knowing Sakurai, he might of pulled all-nighters throughout October to help get the game gold in time for release heh.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

BTW, PushDustIn , has there been no Sakurai Famitsu column for the past 3 weeks???

Oh yeah... i forgot about those...
He probably went into hiding after the chaos that was Isabelle's reveal and the Box Theory

 

[Deleted member]

But then has a different dodge. Is that statically the same as dodge?

Genuine question.

Their rolls appear to have the same frame data.

 

[Polar Bair]

But then has a different dodge. Is that statically the same as dodge?
Genuine question.

Disappointingly, yes. Takes about 35 frames to complete here.

 

[Ura]

I don't know much about this Crunchii but it sounds awfully similar to Chunky.

i.e. The OG Kong that deserves to be DK's Echo. Not that poser Funky.

 

[Mc.Rad]

What if there is Undertale Rep in the new Smash, but it’s just the Tiny Bird that Flies You Over A Disporportionaly Small Gap as an assist trophy?