Official Smash Ultimate Discussion: Warning: Possible Spoilers/Leaks

Will we get a Direct featuring Smash Ultimate during October?


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Indeed, I pointed that out in my last statement. I wish we had access to a demo that was before a character's announcement to have a definitive answer. But it looks like we'll have to wait and see if there's any more playable third party characters.
Yeah, I realized that. I edited my statement to fix that. Apologies!
Now that is very interesting since snake wasnt in that demo at all.

I like this title screen theory i think its on to something given the history of smash title screens.
Do you think this might become a new theory on the rise?
 
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Yeah, I realized that. I edited my statement to fix that. Apologies!
No apologies necessary--I know what it's like to look at someone's post I'm replying to and missing something (despite re-reading a few times to make sure). My hope is that it's not true--obviously, I'd like it if we got another third party character (on their 20th anniversary hehe). But that's the point of critical thinking--to be especially tough on the things we would like to be true, to avoid confirmation bias.
 

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The copyright things seems like a nice theory, but it will get thrown out of the windows if that Square-Enix Character is DLC. Whenever it add 1: (Disney) or two: (Bird Studio/Armor Project) copyright holder.

And even hurt the chance of Characters like Banjo or Steve to appear beside DLC.

But you know what? I feel it.
We will get our tiny *plop* at the end of a direct to add whatever Copyright Holder there is left.

I firmly believe it might be a reason of why we're keeping the same May/June build ever since E3
 

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If the copyrights are only for fighters then that means Verg's leak for Minecraft "content" could still be true. It just means we'll be getting a stage or Assist. Not Steve as a fighter.
 
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Hmm, this theory is very possible, but we really can't determine anything from it. We'll just have to wait and see. The font size could easily change to fit more text
at least this is something new to talk about

Edit: Happy birthday Noipoi Noipoi !
 
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Indeed, I pointed that out in my last statement. I wish we had access to a demo that was before a character's announcement to have a definitive answer. But it looks like we'll have to wait and see if there's any more playable third party characters.
Was the Smash 4 E3 demo available or streamed before Pac-Man was announced? Can't really remember when Pac-Man was revealed in relation to the rest of the event as I was asleep at the time, I just remember it didn't happen during the main presentation, so maybe there's something to be found there.
 
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I will have a problem at the start from Ultimate. Back in the 90s I did not really a fav in the first 8^^ but Mario was boring at most, because most of the others were more fascinating. They were all unknown to me. On the whole I played alot with Captain Falcon, Ness and shortly before Melee I began to like Jigglypuff. All of them have to be unlocked. xD
 

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I will have a problem at the start from Ultimate. Back in the 90s I did not really a fav in the first 8^^ but Mario was boring at most, because most of the others were more fascinating. They were all unknown to me. On the whole I played alot with Captain Falcon, Ness and shortly before Melee I began to like Jigglypuff. All of them have to be unlocked. xD
You could give my boi a shot if it ends up being OG 8 :yoshi:
 

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Was the Smash 4 E3 demo available or streamed before Pac-Man was announced? Can't really remember when Pac-Man was revealed in relation to the rest of the event as I was asleep at the time, I just remember it didn't happen during the main presentation, so maybe there's something to be found there.
Wasn't Bamco already credited for being the head developers of Smash 4?
 
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I would love Vergeben having incorrect info at this point. Not cuz I don't like Incineroar or Minecraft, but just to make the speculation a little more interesting til that last character reveal
I would love that, because it's mainly been Verge, in combination with these theories, that has made speculation so dull. However, I have to admit that he's gotten a lot right, and have considered him trustworthy since Simon's reveal--I want to avoid being in denial.

That being said, I can't see Nintendo going to Microsoft for just a stage/assist. Only if the talks began after the roster was decided. I feel like something must have been the impetus to begin those talks, and 2015 with Banjo's popularity seems like the most appropriate time. Add to that Microsoft going back to Banjo's N64 design--that doesn't sound like a Microsoft/Rare decision, but it does seem like a Sakurai decision.

But all of that is meaningless if all that is left is what's rumored (still don't believe box theory, as I believe SE rep is in the base). But these all do align with copyright theory.

Was the Smash 4 E3 demo available or streamed before Pac-Man was announced? Can't really remember when Pac-Man was revealed in relation to the rest of the event as I was asleep at the time, I just remember it didn't happen during the main presentation, so maybe there's something to be found there.
I believe the first demo was after Pac-Man's reveal (though it's difficult with Pac-Man, since it's copyright owners are also helping to develop the game)--that being said, Pac-Man wasn't in the Treehouse demo. I could be wrong, though I've searched for an early demo build and found nothing.
 
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Those are some good points. The website, as is listed, is subject to change, though it's weird to have Shovel Knight's IP on the website without listing his legal information. Much more apt, though, I see the point of Ubisoft not being credited on Smash 4's screen (I thought you meant they were in the demo build).

As far as I know, legalities are agnostic in terms of whether or not a character is playable. Perhaps I'm wrong, but we'll find out soon enough anyways.
The closest I could find was this:

It's from the end of Smash 4's first trailer, but it's still not from a Demo or Menu.
 

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I would love that, because it's mainly been Verge, in combination with these theories, that has made speculation so dull. However, I have to admit that he's gotten a lot right, and have considered him trustworthy since Simon's reveal--I want to avoid being in denial.

That being said, I can't see Nintendo going to Microsoft for just a stage/assist.
Vergeben originally said Minecraft there would be content he never said anything about a playable fighter until much later when someone else told him that. And since Shovel Knight is an Assist Trophy and his copyright info is not on there, that could mean we are just getting a Minecraft assist trophy or stage. I do think it's possible. Sakurai contacted Ubisoft just to get some Rayman trophies. It's not out of the realm of possibility that we are just getting some minor Minecraft stuff.
 
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This is from the end of Palutena's trailer, before Pac-Man was revealed.
They definitely added copyrights over that time. And with that, we could assume the same thing happened to the Smash Bros. 4 Website.

I would assume this applies to the Smash Wii U and 3DS menu copyright credits as well.
 
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Vergeben originally said Minecraft there would be content he never said anything about a playable fighter until much later when someone else told him that. And since Shovel Knight is an Assist Trophy and his copyright info is not on there, that could mean we are just getting a Minecraft assist trophy or stage. I do think it's possible. Sakurai contacted Ubisoft just to get some Rayman trophies. It's not out of the realm of possibility that we are just getting some minor Minecraft stuff.
I know about Verge's claims--I'm one who's *not* predicting a Minecraft character. But Ubisoft is different from Microsoft. Ubisoft has always had a good relationship with Nintendo. Microsoft has had a bad history with Nintendo, and I can't see them going to them for just a stage/assist. It's possible--especially if talks began after the roster. But I don't see why they would go to Microsoft in the first place.
 

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This is from the end of Palutena's trailer, before Pac-Man was revealed.
They definitely added copyrights over that time. And with that, we could assume the same thing happened to the Smash Bros. 4 Website.

I would assume this applies to the Smash Wii U and 3DS menu copyright credits as well.

does that kill the theory then?
 

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does that kill the theory then?
I would assume so. It's possible that they're doing things differently this time around, but it's unlikely. If this isn't the theory killer, it's definitely a big blow to it.
If what was true for Smash 4 remains the same for Ultimate, then it's safe to say characters like Steve, Banjo & Kazooie, Shantae, etc. are still very possible.
 
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Guys...
We had all copyright in the demo because at the time we had EVERYONE IS HERE which was basically ****ing everyone in all smash games. So we got the copyright for all of them at the time whenever they were in or not in the demo.

It doesn't mean anything for any reveal post-E3
 
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So I just made the mistake of watching some Pokemon Let's Go footage and heard the new remix of the S.S.Anne theme and got super nostalgic. I hate myself for wanting that cheap cash grab of a game.
Your guys still up for the spambot theory? :)
Here's my spambot theory: Bad R.O.B., Mega Man, and Samus mains mains will focus solely on using their unstable Wifi connections win match ups by spamming projectiles, just like in Smash 4.
 
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I would assume so. It's possible that they're doing things differently this time around, but it's unlikely. If this isn't the theory killer, it's definitely a big blow to it.
If what was true for Smash 4 remains the same for Ultimate, then it's safe to say characters like Steve, Banjo & Kazooie, Shantae, etc. are still very possible.
The only way in which this theory escapes is trailers being different than demo builds. I just assume if a copyrighted character isn't announced--we wouldn't see their copyright. However, I was very certain that all intellectual properties within a particular build must be credited, playable or not. But then, as was pointed out, Ubisoft isn't credited on Smash 4's home screen. Which seems bizarre to me--*we* care about playable characters, but lawyers don't. There's more money/negotiations for playable characters than assists/trophies, but using a character's image is not trivial. So--I'm uncertain at this point, other than hoping the credits are meaningless.
 

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The only way in which this theory escapes is trailers being different than demo builds. I just assume if a copyrighted character isn't announced--we wouldn't see their copyright. However, I was very certain that all intellectual properties within a particular build must be credited, playable or not. But then, as was pointed out, Ubisoft isn't credited on Smash 4's home screen. Which seems bizarre to me--*we* care about playable characters, but lawyers don't. There's more money/negotiations for playable characters than assists/trophies, but using a character's image is not trivial. So--I'm uncertain at this point, other than hoping the credits are meaningless.
Nah dude. Smash title screen always was Characters. Ubisoft and **** got thanked in the classic mode credit.

I'll just quote myself because I'm 100% sure I'm right on this one.

Guys...
We had all copyright in the demo because at the time we had EVERYONE IS HERE which was basically ****ing everyone in all smash games. So we got the copyright for all of them at the time whenever they were in or not in the demo.

It doesn't mean anything for any reveal post-E3
Especially with people posting that each reveal added the copyright for Smash4 when needed.
I'm 100% sure the E3 build copyright mean nothing.
 
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Guys...
We had all copyright in the demo because at the time we had EVERYONE IS HERE which was basically ****ing everyone in all smash games. So we got the copyright for all of them at the time whenever they were in or not in the demo.

It doesn't mean anything for any reveal post-E3
Are you suggesting they can change the size or orientation of text in a digital product? Ha, there's no way I'm going to fall for something that ridiculous!
 

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Are you suggesting they can change the size or orientation of text in a digital product? Ha, there's no way I'm going to fall for something that ridiculous!
Gotta make it clear for people here y'know. Because I'm not ready for a "Copyright theory" when we're not over the box one.:nifty:
 

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