Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[vaanrose]

I think i have a logical conclusion on how many characters will be in the final build and how many newcomers are left. (Being 3)

I think analyzing Smashdown is the new analyzing CSS slots.

It just goes against the way Sakurai makes rosters. He doesn't pick a number first and then stick to it. In fact, every single time the game has ended up with a different amount of characters than it began with.

I expect Smashdown to just fudge the final rounds depending on the number. Maybe it's musical chairs style, and if there's only three characters and four players, whoever chooses last is out. Since that feels a little unusual for Sakurai, instead maybe the final round just lets you ditto. The point is, there's options to facilitate the mode even if the number isn't cleanly divisible.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Is there a way I can mute a word on this site like on twitter? Cause I think this thread is too attached to Shadow.

It'd have to be Vegeta, no question.

What a perfect ****ing coincidence that I see this post in the same hour I notice my Vegeta Figuarts gets paid off

 

[MainJPW]

Is there a way I can mute a word on this site like on twitter? Cause I think this thread is too attached to Shadow.

No one’s arguing about him anymore though. Not after Chrom atleast.

 

[vaanrose]

How many do you expect?

Hard to give an exact number, but I still think they'll outnumber the true newcomer count in the end. I can even see them squeezing in a few more in last minute given the largely positive reaction Chrom and Dark Samus have got.

I'm surprised you still have Ashley in your sig after her massacre

That's why she at zero percent now.

 

[Will]

Is there a way I can mute a word on this site like on twitter? Cause I think this thread is too attached to Shadow.

What's wrong with talking about probably one of the most likely candidates ever since Chrom came with his not-finished looking ass?

 

[Enchess]

I can even see them squeezing in a few more in last minute given the largely positive reaction Chrom and Dark Samus have got.

Kinda makes ya wonder why they didn't lead with Dark Samus instead of Daisy. We'd have ended any opposition to echoes immediately. Must not've been ready yet.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I don't think you're ever getting that...

Noipi is skull******* this kid

 

[vaanrose]

Kinda makes ya wonder why they didn't lead with Dark Samus instead of Daisy. We'd have ended any opposition to echoes immediately. Must not've been ready yet.

I can see that letting some of the air of Ridley's balloon.

 

[Nethermoosen]

How many do you expect?

Spoiler

I'm surprised you still have Ashley in your sig after her massacre

That's easier than you think.

Goku just doesn’t interest me.

Goku with Saiyan saga Vegeta? I’m down.

 

[Will]

That's why she at zero percent now.

jesus christ what the **** is this high iq 4D chess signature

are these really the percentages you're giving on chances?

Kinda makes ya wonder why they didn't lead with Dark Samus instead of Daisy. We'd have ended any opposition to echoes immediately. Must not've been ready yet.

They underestimated the power level of Waluigi fans.

 

[Enchess]

I can see that letting some of the air of Ridley's balloon.

True. Would've been nice to lead with any echo on the higher end of effort then. Daisy seems on the lower end so far.

 

[vaanrose]

jesus christ what the **** is this high iq 4D chess signature
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are these really the percentages you're giving on chances?

Yes, lol, that's how it's been the whole time. I was 50/50 on Ashley, so I had her at around 50%. I was unsure about Simon, pegged him at 30%. I was hecka confident in K.Rool, put him at 99.7%.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

True. Would've been nice to lead with any echo on the higher end of effort then. Daisy seems on the lower end so far.

Honestly given the state of the game at E3 she (and Dark Pit and Lucina) were probably the only echoes finished.

 

[Will]

Honestly given the state of the game at E3 she (and Dark Pit and Lucina) were probably the only echoes finished.

Are you kidding me? Chrom looks half-baked.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Are you kidding me? Chrom looks half-baked.

What? You don't think they tried to squeeze him in between E3 and the direct?

 

[MysticKnives]

Goku just doesn’t interest me.

Goku with Saiyan saga Vegeta? I’m down.

I’m the opposite. Vegeta is boring as **** to me.

 

[Noipoi]

Are you kidding me? Chrom looks half-baked.

Chrom looks like he was born a little early.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Ok, here's a question. Do you guys think this'll be the only Smash Bros. Direct or will they do another? Considering how much they apparently have left to show off, including that mysterious (hopefully story) made, I think it's possible we may get another Smash Direct around release. What do you guys think?

 

[Will]

What? You don't think they tried to squeeze him in between E3 and the direct?

I wanna see a process of how long it takes to make Echo fighters. I'd assume all the unique fighters are done or at least almost done by now if they're making them super quick.

 

[Shroob]

I actually do wonder how long it takes to add an echo fighter in.

While it probably doesn't take a lot, they still have to do a lot of small stuff like mode-clear artwork, trophies, bios, etc, which is probably obnoxious.

 

[Nethermoosen]

I’m the opposite. Vegeta is boring as **** to me.

I beg your pardon!?!? Every Dragonball character is boring. XD

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Ok, here's a question. Do you guys think this'll be the only Smash Bros. Direct or will they do another? Considering how much they apparently have left to show off, including that mysterious (hopefully story) made, I think it's possible we may get another Smash Direct around release. What do you guys think?

I'm pretty sure we're gonna get some Ultimate news on the inevitably direct to discuss the online service. Most likely how online mode works, maybe a newcomer on top of that?

Then October-November there's gonna be another direct where they unveil the last few newcomers.

 

[Will]

I beg your pardon!?!? Every Dragonball character is boring. XD

It ain't about the characters, it's all about the-

"holy **** I wanna look like that"

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ok, here's a question. Do you guys think this'll be the only Smash Bros. Direct or will they do another? Considering how much they apparently have left to show off, including that mysterious (hopefully story) made, I think it's possible we may get another Smash Direct around release. What do you guys think?

Before the direct, I would have said no.

However, the direct left us this big unexplained mode.

That requires explanation and I don't see it in a general direct.

I expect one more.

 

[Idon]

Ok, here's a question. Do you guys think this'll be the only Smash Bros. Direct or will they do another? Considering how much they apparently have left to show off, including that mysterious (hopefully story) made, I think it's possible we may get another Smash Direct around release. What do you guys think?

Well we know they have to do one more.
They can't just leave that censored mode out considering it makes up a 1/4 of the damn CSS.
Plus, Sakurai says he plans to reveal all fighters *before* release, implying that this isn't the last one.

 

[Noipoi]

Ok, here's a question. Do you guys think this'll be the only Smash Bros. Direct or will they do another? Considering how much they apparently have left to show off, including that mysterious (hopefully story) made, I think it's possible we may get another Smash Direct around release. What do you guys think?

I think we'll get one more, but not until October or November. We'll probably get a character here and there in other Directs, too.
Sakurai said he'll reveal every fighter before release, and we still have that mysterious blurred out mode that needs to be explained.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Ok, here's a question. Do you guys think this'll be the only Smash Bros. Direct or will they do another? Considering how much they apparently have left to show off, including that mysterious (hopefully story) made, I think it's possible we may get another Smash Direct around release. What do you guys think?

Almost entirely certain they will. They have online, the new “spirits” mode. “Games and more” modes. More new characters they have promised will be revealed before release. And they can detail their thoughts on DLC if it comes up.

 

[Enchess]

I actually do wonder how long it takes to add an echo fighter in.

While it probably doesn't take a lot, they still have to do a lot of small stuff like mode-clear artwork, trophies, bios, etc, which is probably obnoxious.

I bet most the echoes are repurposed from trophies. I don't think there's any doubt all the currently revealed ones would get at least that much if they didn't get Echo status. So models probably only needed a little (comparatively) extra work. Even if it takes awhile, it probably only takes 1-2 people working on an echo at a time, so they could just give a small subteam the job of generating echoes and the rest of team could do other stuff

 

[Cutie Gwen]

No one’s arguing about him anymore though. Not after Chrom atleast.

Idk, that's not what what it looks like, especially when yesterday someone responded "Oh Shadow works very well as an Echo fighter!" when I said we have literally all this other stuff to speculate on

What's wrong with talking about probably one of the most likely candidates ever since Chrom came with his not-finished looking ***?

Because it's ALL this ****ing thread seems to really talk about. It's boring as **** to constantly talk about the same stupid topic over and over again when there's no right or wrong. "Shadow can work as an Echo" "No he should be unique!" "Richter was an echo so third party echoes are a thing!" "Well Richter's moves were used for Simon so that makes more sense!" it's just the same ****

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

From doing what? Most of these are on 4chan. 4chan is an anonymous-based board. They could literally just write up a new one.

I kind of feel like you didn't read the previous conversation that was going on

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

And they can detail their thoughts on DLC if it comes up.

While you're mentioning that. The Game Awards takes place literally the day after Ultimate's release. Anyone else think we might get DLC news there? I mean The Game Awards is a big deal for Nintendo. They have actual stakes in the production of it as in they help fund it. I'm pretty much expecting to see Metroid Prime 4 and Bayonetta 3 there already but do we think Smash will make an appearance as well?

 

[Nethermoosen]

Idk, that's not what what it looks like, especially when yesterday someone responded "Oh Shadow works very well as an Echo fighter!" when I said we have literally all this other stuff to speculate on

Because it's ALL this ****ing thread seems to really talk about. It's boring as **** to constantly talk about the same stupid topic over and over again when there's no right or wrong. "Shadow can work as an Echo" "No he should be unique!" "Richter was an echo so third party echoes are a thing!" "Well Richter's moves were used for Simon so that makes more sense!" it's just the same ****

What would you suggest we talk about?

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I think we'll see one new character in the next general Nintendo Direct in September, and then they'll reveal the remaining characters in the next Smash Bros. Direct in November.

 

[Noipoi]

Idk, that's not what what it looks like, especially when yesterday someone responded "Oh Shadow works very well as an Echo fighter!" when I said we have literally all this other stuff to speculate on

Because it's ALL this ****ing thread seems to really talk about. It's boring as **** to constantly talk about the same stupid topic over and over again when there's no right or wrong. "Shadow can work as an Echo" "No he should be unique!" "Richter was an echo so third party echoes are a thing!" "Well Richter's moves were used for Simon so that makes more sense!" it's just the same ****

Alright, give us a topic.

 

[Will]

Because it's ALL this ****ing thread seems to really talk about. It's boring as **** to constantly talk about the same stupid topic over and over again when there's no right or wrong. "Shadow can work as an Echo" "No he should be unique!" "Richter was an echo so third party echoes are a thing!" "Well Richter's moves were used for Simon so that makes more sense!" it's just the same ****

What do you expect? We don't have much to speculate over. Spirits was decoded even though we don't know what exactly it entails.
We can only assume what we've gathered from Richter and Chrom's vital BTFOs against most arguments about Shadow's validity as a character (aka "3rd parties shouldnt have echoes because it's not worth the licensing!!" or "Shadow shouldn't share the same moves as Sonic!!"), let alone a clone.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

What would you suggest we talk about?

****ing Dracula's castle, what other bosses we could potentially face, the new songs everyone but Final Fantasy seems to have and if that includes CDs should they return, other guest Assist Trophies, how the new modes could work, the custom balance we see in the menu the FS Meter got shown in, any other single player content like Coin Battle and minigames, if the Trophy store has a chance of coming back, how we supposedly have all stages but the Monster Hunter stage is nowhere to be seen, what that could mean Spirits is, what other information we expect from the next direct assuming it's Smash focused and when we'll get it, etc.

 

[Shroob]

What do you expect? We don't have much to speculate over. Spirits was decoded even though we don't know what exactly it entails.
We can only assume what we've gathered from Richter and Chrom's vital BTFOs against most arguments about Shadow's validity as a character (aka "3rd parties shouldnt have echoes because it's not worth the licensing!!" or "Shadow shouldn't share the same moves as Sonic!!"), let alone a clone.

Wait a minute.

Spirits....
Sakurai never ages....

I never realized that Sakurai's Stand was [Made in Heaven]

 

[Enchess]

You guys putting Gwen on spot to give topic realize that there have been tons of potential topics people have tried to bring up, but they keep getting ignored in favor of Shadow posts and that's why they're complaining, right?

 

[Will]

****ing Dracula's castle, what other bosses we could potentially face, the new songs everyone but Final Fantasy seems to have and if that includes CDs should they return, other guest Assist Trophies, how the new modes could work, the custom balance we see in the menu the FS Meter got shown in, any other single player content like Coin Battle and minigames, if the Trophy store has a chance of coming back, how we supposedly have all stages but the Monster Hunter stage is nowhere to be seen, what that could mean Spirits is, what other information we expect from the next direct assuming it's Smash focused and when we'll get it, etc.

Dracula Jr., that's the one that wasn't shown and that's all that wasn't shown.

Spirits is probably related to [monster hunter dragon i always forget the name of] because he said it was boss character, but not what kind of boss character. You obviously have bosses like Metal Face, but it could be related to Spirits (or maybe even Classic mode). I hope current stage hazard bosses like Metal Face and the Find Mii antagonist get expanded upon.

Alright, give us a topic.

Actually, I do have one.

Will the Final Smash Meter be viable for competitive play?
I'd like to argue that it's dependent on certain characters and certain Final Smashes. If it's allowed, will skyrocket in the competitive scene for how Critical Hit will still OHKO you. And some inescapable (or near inescapable) final smashes like may play a large favor in their endgame as well. I find this pretty interesting since a lot of people are 50/50 on it.

 

[Kaeltor]

Ok, here's a question. Do you guys think this'll be the only Smash Bros. Direct or will they do another? Considering how much they apparently have left to show off, including that mysterious (hopefully story) made, I think it's possible we may get another Smash Direct around release. What do you guys think?

I expect a non-smash specific direct around the online services launch. I think smash will reveal some more fighters in this direct.

In October/November, I expect a smash specific direct that has a focus on the new mode (spirits?). I also expect more character reveals.