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[Jolteon]

Nintendo should just sell smash brothers to Capcom.

 

[Unreal91]

Loool, but capcom would probably make it slow and blocky like street fighter

 

[Jolteon]

If they kept the core gameplay the same it'd be amazing, just think how much attention it'd get.

 

[Unreal91]

Yeah true, tourneys would be alot bigger and so would the winnings . Thats not gonna happen anyway so no point hoping lol

Would be sick if they let capcom produce it with them though.

 

[Jolteon]

Yeah, agreed, we can dream though.

 

[Unreal91]

I want them to put megaman in the next smash, he would be so broken IMO lol

 

[j3ly]

shdb .

 

[ddiz]

Nintendo should just sell smash brothers to Capcom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97oKtFudtU
seriously i could not resist

 

[L-J]

Also did you ever see that tier list that Ankoku put together which was based on tournament placing? Fox was still number one due to the high presence of fox mains in later stages of large tournaments. I think jigglypuff was second.

I hadn't but fair enough. I don't object to Fox being no. 1, just to the people who overrate (in my opinion) how much better he is than every other character. And yeah people who think Jiggs is no 1 are silly. Even the best spacies still play so dumb against Jiggs usually - by dumb I mean compared to the optimal way to play the matchup, and no disrespect to their skill, just I'm sure there's a better overall mindset to approaching the match up for Fox especially.

Like Jman vs Hbox at Zenith, Jman was shffl lasing a fair bit but it was all missing, and if he'd switched to short hop double lasers he would've got at least one hit most of the time, and overall did way too much dash-dancing straight into back-airs/pounds (i.e. poorly spaced). Obviously it's hard against such an amazing Jiggs player because of the pressure they put on you not to make mistakes and their own zoning of the stage but still, I'm sure Fox players in general could do better.

And Hugo I'm of the Parmenidean school, so there ARE NO CONTRADICTIONS!

 

[J03]

same old same old, top tier is all that matters

 

[VA]

where have you been hiding?

 

[Bullet Bill]

same old same old, top tier is all that matters

don't you mean Joe tier

 

[Bullet Bill]

http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/117/1171214p1.html

Has anyone seen this?

"A curious thing has happened to Smash Bros. over the past 10 or so years. Despite having a very, very strong tendency towards a party-like atmosphere and more casual gameplay, a group of very dedicated fans has shifted toward a very hardcore style of playing."

But tbh i just wanna see the next console bring on june 7-9.

competitive smash isn't a state secret or anything unreal

 

[Heartstring]

i dunno, it took my a long while to actively find competitive smash, and that was only because i was obsessed with brawl for a good year or so
and it took another 6 months to find the uk scene.

 

[Kill The Beast]

swizzy is watching

come to brighton not thi sweekend but next? oh and I'm coming to london saturday not friday.

-Robby

 

[SwizzyUK]

Swizzy is always watching... he sees all.

Will let you know, not sure I'm fussed about smash anymore, might come a diff weekend and just chill with you guys. Might come next weekend as well though, we'll see. Let me know your plans for sat by phone.

 

[j3ly]

it must suck living that far away from ur best friend

 

[Global Gaming]

Edit - Willz start caring about Melee again man. It's worth caring about! I want to play you sometime soon and have some good games anyhow. And Hugo is a permanent troll in these boards so don't take anything he says seriously lol.

Only just noticed this reading back through the thread...

Hugo sucks at trolling lol, I'm the best troll that's ever graced these boards. I'm never offended by what he says

I do care about Melee still L-J, but because of the area (the Midlands) I live in, I've got no one to train against that's even near someone like Charles's or prof's skill level, which is really off putting and demotivating. Which is why my interest has sank and I have no interest in really improving. I love playing the game and I do still care about tournaments and such but I know that I will never improve because of where I am situated. No offence to the other Midlands guys but yeah that's my opinion.

Anyway, everyone come my monthly on June 18th
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=304379

 

[Jolteon]

va does a fine job at improving even with the level of competition around him? @_@

 

[L-J]

I do care about Melee still L-J, but because of the area (the Midlands) I live in, I've got no one to train against that's even near someone like Charles's or prof's skill level, which is really off putting and demotivating. Which is why my interest has sank and I have no interest in really improving. I love playing the game and I do still care about tournaments and such but I know that I will never improve because of where I am situated. No offence to the other Midlands guys but yeah that's my opinion.

I can definitely sympathise with that as I've been in the same position ever since I joined the community.

va does a fine job at improving even with the level of competition around him? @_@

It's by no means impossible but it makes it a million times harder.

 

[j3ly]

srry but i placed 4th in my 2nd national playing people who can't l-cancel. before tesco was even a crew.
don't john like that cos its poooon. i did it with MARIO ffs

 

[Jolteon]

I can definitely sympathise with that as I've been in the same position ever since I joined the community.



It's by no means impossible but it makes it a million times harder.

Of course it's harder, but I don't think it makes a big difference so I have to disagree with the ending statement.

I think Robby has a good way of looking at it (and it obviously works for him), the skill level of the person does not make a big difference providing you focus on things that you need to work on.

 

[Heartstring]

it makes it harder, but its still possible
god willz with all the negativity

 

[Yeniths]

I did fine playing level 1 bowser?

 

[Heartstring]

level 1 bowser is obviously a pro
m2k states that he uses cpu's to train, and hes pretty damn good
then again, he is a tard by definition so yknow...

 

[Global Gaming]

Maybe so, but I've got to the point where I feel like I can no longer improve unless I face more competition of a higher level. Obviously that requires travelling, but my parents are still restrictive of what I can and can't do (even though I'm 17, guess I'll have to wait till I'm 18), like travelling to other countries, and I haven't got any income, so imma need to sort out a job shortly once my exams have finished.

Anyway, all of you attend my monthly, I wanna get the scene motivated in the Midlands again. Especially you George, so you can prove you're actually better than me instead of trash talking

 

[L-J]

It is objectively a big difference playing with players who push you and players that don't for improving your game, there is no argument here. It's possible to improve with the latter but it is MUCH harder. The fact that some players have managed to make big improvements playing people worse than them does not disprove that anyone with the right mentality will improve much quicker playing with players who push you. If I played with Fuzz, Prof and VA for a week solid I'm confident I would improve more than I have done in 2 years playing people here in Cambridge (no offence guys, you know I <3 you all).

Alex: have you ever experienced having only players worse than you to play with? Because if you haven't I don't see how you can come to any conclusion on this.

GP: M2K was and indeed still is not exactly conventional in his method of improving. He admits he spent countless hours just thinking about situations in his head and then putting them into practice where he could. Most players, however, just play the game and improve that way, as it's rather time and life consuming spending most of your day thinking about smash when you're not even playing it. For the majority of players therefore it does make a bigger difference who you are playing than for an M2K or Dr PP who play smash semi-professionally (in terms of time spent on it not earnings).

J3ly: your point as usual proves absolutely nothing so well done there.

 

[rustediron]

lol at j3ly, you definitely lost to my falcon at your first monthly

 

[gm jack]

I agree with LJ. While you can get better without playing good people, you do need people of a certain standard to punish your mistakes and make you realise what can and can't work. This year, rich, hugo and matheo (<3) made me improve far faster than I ever have before. While I like to think of what I can do might make me better, the only way to see if it will really work and to put it to muscle memory is to play people.

 

[Fuzzyness]

My whole crew got better by playing me a lot :s look how lame edwins style is at times lol, gotta be gay to win

 

[j3ly]

wtf are you talking about edwin has the best character control and the most potential in all of the uk....

 

[Professor Pro]

Edwin doesnt have the best potential in the UK....I do and im currently the best without even fully taping into it

His character control is alright but nothing like my amazing tech skill when im playing properly and my character control...

Edwin has a bad mindset when it comes to competitive play, so he will never be the best and theorizing he would be the best if he had a different mindset would be silly cos he doesnt.

 

[Jolteon]

Maybe so, but I've got to the point where I feel like I can no longer improve unless I face more competition of a higher level. Obviously that requires travelling, but my parents are still restrictive of what I can and can't do (even though I'm 17, guess I'll have to wait till I'm 18), like travelling to other countries, and I haven't got any income, so imma need to sort out a job shortly once my exams have finished.

Anyway, all of you attend my monthly, I wanna get the scene motivated in the Midlands again. Especially you George, so you can prove you're actually better than me instead of trash talking

I think it's more the approach you're taking lol, I don't think there's really a point where that happens. <_<

Also I want to go to your monthly but I'm kind of worried about that recent post you made about possibly cancelling it. :s

It is objectively a big difference playing with players who push you and players that don't for improving your game, there is no argument here. It's possible to improve with the latter but it is MUCH harder. The fact that some players have managed to make big improvements playing people worse than them does not disprove that anyone with the right mentality will improve much quicker playing with players who push you. If I played with Fuzz, Prof and VA for a week solid I'm confident I would improve more than I have done in 2 years playing people here in Cambridge (no offence guys, you know I <3 you all).

Alex: have you ever experienced having only players worse than you to play with? Because if you haven't I don't see how you can come to any conclusion on this.

GP: M2K was and indeed still is not exactly conventional in his method of improving. He admits he spent countless hours just thinking about situations in his head and then putting them into practice where he could. Most players, however, just play the game and improve that way, as it's rather time and life consuming spending most of your day thinking about smash when you're not even playing it. For the majority of players therefore it does make a bigger difference who you are playing than for an M2K or Dr PP who play smash semi-professionally (in terms of time spent on it not earnings).

J3ly: your point as usual proves absolutely nothing so well done there.

That's a valid question, I can see where you're coming from seeing as I live close to the top players in the UK, but my answer to that would be yes. I've made some of my best improvements imo just by playing cpus.

Also m2k isn't the only one who made massive improvements with cpus, I believe Ice did the same before he placed 3rd.

 

[gm jack]

CPUs are ok for practising certain things, but nothing that is as good as a decent player. You just need to have the same mind set of playing to learn against people as well as cpus.

 

[Professor Pro]

Best way to improve, the Professor Pro way....get loads of tech, and then get smart...DONE!

 

[rustediron]

Jolteon, love you babe but:

a) You're failing to address Rich's point. He's not asking you whether you've managed to learn things from playing CPUs, but asking you whether you've been in the position where you would go months, even years, on end, without the opportunity to play higher level players in a situation where you're actually trying to improve, rather than just trying to win. I'm not sure you have, given that Prof/Fuzz/other good people are generally quite willing to play with you on a very regular basis (and you're quite good at travelling to smashfests), and that it seems difficult to see how you can justify the claims you're making with personal experience.

b) There being a very small handful of people that have demonstrated it's possible to become very, very good with mainly CPU training doesn't nullify the fact that there is a trend for people to improve very rapidly when introduced to a higher level of play.

 

[Jolteon]

Jolteon, love you babe but:

a) You're failing to address Rich's point. He's not asking you whether you've managed to learn things from playing CPUs, but asking you whether you've been in the position where you would go months, even years, on end, without the opportunity to play higher level players in a situation where you're actually trying to improve, rather than just trying to win. I'm not sure you have, given that Prof/Fuzz/other good people are generally quite willing to play with you on a very regular basis (and you're quite good at travelling to smashfests), and that it seems difficult to see how you can justify the claims you're making with personal experience.

b) There being a very small handful of people that have demonstrated it's possible to become very, very good with mainly CPU training doesn't nullify the fact that there is a trend for people to improve very rapidly when introduced to a higher level of play.

a) I think you're misunderstanding, I should have been more specific. There's been like a few times where I went 2-4 months playing only CPUs. I don't see how that's not addressing the point. <_<

As far as crappy people go, I actually played scrubs solidly for a few years prior to joining the community (everyone in my immediate area SUCKS), but I didn't bring that up as I thought it was entirely irrelevant.

b) Yes, I agree that skill level is a factor. I just believe the proper mindset to learning is a significantly larger aspect of improvement than the skill level of your opponent. People improving significantly when they join the community is something I attribute to mindset changes, typically brought about by being humbled so horribly.

 

[VA]

It's all about what you're doing, not your opponents. Play Marth, go figure.

 

[Unreal91]

"It's all about what you're doing" I like that lol. I agree with Alex in the fact that mindset is extremely important in smash, I never play CPUs but considering m2k does I might start

Weirdly im one of the few people in smash who rarely plays people worse than me, most of the guys I play (Tesco crew I love you all <3) are better than me or equal depending on matchups.

 

[Heartstring]

"It's all about what you're doing" I like that lol. I agree with Alex in the fact that mindset is extremely important in smash, I never play CPUs but considering m2k does I might start

Weirdly im one of the few people in smash who rarely plays people worse than me, most of the guys I play (Tesco crew I love you all <3) are better than me or equal depending on matchups.

that makes you one of the worst players if you rarely play those who are worse XP

im kidding, but i felt the need to say that line seeing as its been used on me before