Smash cancelling? A new AT?

[Jim Morrison]

I saw that Infzy :/ I could tell you that.

EDIT: What were you doing in Warioware...?

 

[Chis]

I'll conclude testing on midnight, and post my results.

Until then, discuss//

 

[AlphaZealot]

Even if it only works in transition, it could still be useful on stages like Castle Siege.

 

[nhat]

I'll conclude testing on midnight, and post my results.

Until then, discuss//

It's too situational if it is stage dependent so until it can be done on a stage like Battlefield, there's nothing really to discuss to be honest.

 

[Chis]

Then don't post.

 

[Zeallyx]

Then don't post.

that was uncalled for. The guy is right.
Also, if this is not caused by the level transition, it may still be too hard to be practical
but if we can somehow make this usable, it would rock

 

[pure_awesome]

that was uncalled for. The guy is right.

No, he's not. We have legal stages that shift. Castle Siege, Delfino Plaza, etc. We can still do exactly what we would have been able to do before (bait a reaction, punish the reaction), we just can't do it as much was we thought.

Chis is right. If you don't think there's anything to talk about, there's no reason for you to talk.

If anyone needs me, I'm going to go run some tests on Delfino and Battlefield.

 

[Chis]

Bad news.

Infzy is correct. I've tested it far too long. I shouldn't have tested it in the same place that it happened. I can't remember where else I tested it but probably transition stages. I thought I did it on battle field, but I've been forgetting little things in my on life dues to certain reasons. My mistake . I never try and purposely deceive anyone so sorry

Also what pure_awesome said.

 

[Kinzer]

Well don't beat yourself up, we still have things like Weegee's/Delfino/Castle Siege to be able to bait attacks like this.

It's a nice fakeout when you can bait a reaction from an unsuspecting opponent.

But I was telling you before this, it would have had something to do with a stage transition.

At least you got this noticed across the public to look into it, now people know of a legit stratigy when it comes up.

 

[Zeallyx]

It's too situational if it is stage dependent so until it can be done on a stage like Battlefield, there's nothing really to discuss to be honest.

No, he's not. We have legal stages that shift. Castle Siege, Delfino Plaza, etc. We can still do exactly what we would have been able to do before (bait a reaction, punish the reaction), we just can't do it as much was we thought.

Chis is right. If you don't think there's anything to talk about, there's no reason for you to talk.

If anyone needs me, I'm going to go run some tests on Delfino and Battlefield.

He was saying what he was thinking. I see no harm in that.
Also he said the same thing the guy who uploaded the vid said I don't see him getting flamed.

 

[~TBS~]

Fsmash charge up> stage transition> cancels> runs in for Throw> profit.
I like this Idea. Thanks, Chis.

 

[nhat]

No, he's not. We have legal stages that shift. Castle Siege, Delfino Plaza, etc. We can still do exactly what we would have been able to do before (bait a reaction, punish the reaction), we just can't do it as much was we thought.

Chis is right. If you don't think there's anything to talk about, there's no reason for you to talk.

If anyone needs me, I'm going to go run some tests on Delfino and Battlefield.

I was merely saying to wait for more results before making a conclusion, that's all. No need to be rude.

 

[pure_awesome]

Well don't beat yourself up, we still have things like Weegee's/Delfino/Castle Siege to be able to bait attacks like this.

I hate to be the bearer of additional bad news, but I couldn't get it to work on any of the legal stages, as it does on Wario Ware. I suspect this has something to do with WarioWare's unique nature, where it switches to a random, essentially independent, stage. This is different from most of our legal stages which shift, but do so in a predictable pattern (Castle Siege), or a very basic way (Luigi's Mansion). I'm going to go double-check the list of counterpick stages to make sure there wasn't anything I missed.

The closest I was able to get was on Delfino Plaza's switch to the island portion of the stage. Unfortunately, it's painfully obvious that the floor drops out, and Sonic clearly goes into his aerial animation, so I doubt this is going to be mindgaming anyone half-decent. There is obviously other ways to get a similar effect, like the flipping of Frigate Orpheon, that are even more... I believe the word is "duh".


Ah well. It was fun while it lasted. Don't kill yourself over it, Chis, we all get mixed up at one point or another. At least you manned up about it.

 

[HyperSuperSonictheHedgehog]

Ah well. Your still the closest anyone's ever come to finding a smash canceling technique for Sonic. Good work on that.

 

[thecatinthehat]

gah, Chis.... another fail thread? I thought we were past that?

oh wells.

 

[JayBee]

im sad now...

 

[Palpi]

I will comfort you

 

[thecatinthehat]

I will comfort you

No you wont.

Get out.

 

[Kinzer]

Was that really called for Cat?

Even though we don't need his sympathy, there's no need to banish people unless they're really stupid.



P.S. That doesn't include X5, who I still see untapped potential in him/her/it/potato... we just can't find it yet, it's like trying to make Sonic top tier... O.o

 

[ROOOOY!]

I'd missed you Cat :3

Now, unless we're going to talk about possible uses for this stage transition fsmash cancel, I'm going to report this thread for closure. Y'know, the whole 'new start' crap that most of us will have forgotten about within a week.

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[thecatinthehat]

Bad habit. >:-)

lol.... "potato"

 

[Chis]

I'd missed you Cat :3

Now, unless we're going to talk about possible uses for this stage transition fsmash cancel, I'm going to report this thread for closure.489

No.

I'm waiting for discussions and you're not exactly helping with that post. And why should it be closed, testing isn't finished. Now please stopping spamming my thread or I'll start reporting.

 

[thecatinthehat]

No.

I'm waiting for discussions and you're not exactly helping with that post. And why should it be closed, testing isn't finished. Now please stopping spamming my thread or I'll start reporting.

wait, no to him missing me? or no to closing the thread?

 

[Chis]

No to closing the thread.

Oh, and welcome back cat.

Edit: I'll test this on other characters, stages and other possibilities soon btw.

 

[Nintendevil]

I'v heard of this. I remembered reading a topic about this a looong time ago on the tactics board. I though it involved the C stick though. Not sure, but It's come up before, needs to be tested.

 

[pure_awesome]

Edit: I'll test this on other characters, stages and other possibilities soon btw.

Works with all characters, as far as I can tell.

There's actually quite a few places on Pokemon Stadium 1&2 that you can get it to work. Mostly to do with platforms that disappear like an inch above the ground, or disrupt you as they're coming out.

Also, every move that can't be performed in the air is interrupted. So while you can cancel DK's DownB instantly, you can't cancel, say, his SideB. I'm actually much more interested in this part, since it means the game must register your character is being in the air for a fraction of a second despite his model clearly never leaving the ground or going through a landing animation. It may just end up being additional insight into why things like the ISJR work when they logically shouldn't.

 

[Espy Rose]

There's also several vids of Grabs breaking as a result of the level changing on PS1.

The DMK 2 match has one, I think.

 

[Ayaz18]

so is this confirmed to work?

 

[ROOOOY!]

During stage transitions, yeah, but every character can do it.
It's like, stage interferes with so much stuff. I was playing against g2ftw on Pokemon Stadium, it went to the grass stage, and on the right side of the level I was trying to do a dash attack on some uneven ground, except Sonic went straight into his "fish state" from his fair.

And Chis, I was only suggesting closure because there's not much to discuss now. I didn't want this to degenerate into spam and for everyone to get nice juicy infractions. No need to get offended, son.

 

[Kinzer]

Then why don't we talk about Pkmn Stadium 1 glicthes?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but on one or a couple of the transformed stages, the right edge is blocked off, and I usually have to jump to get across it, and if I dash attack I get stuck.

Anybody else notice it?

 

[Browny]

yep, you cant roll dodge past it either lol... I blame that glitch for costing me a match in the last tourney; I went to roll-dodge behind a charizard and just got stuck there and took an fsmash for a silly low % death

 

[Kinzer]

LOL I hate that thing too sometimes, I'm like "oh @#$% I gotta get out of here!" so I roll dodge away from the ledge but Sonic doesn't go anywhere an then I'm all like "wwwhytgrbuyhgbahvb WTF?! "

 

[Tenki]

It's not a glitch.

On the rock stage, the right edge is raised.

I use it to 'cancel' a "fake" SDR (cause it turns into an ASC after you pass the edge lol)

or just trap people who try to roll XD.

I saw it in a Snake stage discussion once lol.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nuyf219KbfQ
Moar crazy stage changes fyi
Ladies and Gentleman - this, is how we beat Meta Knight

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[Kinzer]

LOL I've seen that video before.

It's still good.