Smash cancelling? A new AT?

[Chis]

I don't think this has been found yet :/

So yeah, it's a way to stop charging a smash attack, thus canceling it. (back in stating animation.)

I don't now if it works just for Sonic, so it needs testing.

Currently it just works for his forward smash.

There's a point in the charging animation where you can cancel it with the shield button.

Now go to training and charge a forward smash while rapidly pressing both child buttons. Eventually you should see it yourself.

Discuss//

 

[SuSa]

First.

EDIT:

After 25 failed attempts I stopped trying to do this....not practical enough IMO

Any ideas about the timing for it?
I was mashing L/R as fast as possible while charging, didn't get a single charge to stop.
Child meaning shield buttons, not trigger buttons, am I right?

:mewtwo:

 

[Chis]

How were you doing it?

 

[pure_awesome]

In before the flood of random people saying "Oh, this happened to me with *insert character* once, and I was like wtf? lol"


I experimented for quite a while with cancelling the charge on smashes, as I'm sure many other smashers have as well. In fact, I even tried this exact idea. I've never had it work.

So yeah. As we say on the sherdog forums, pics or it didn't happen .


But seriously when in the charge? I stuck it in training mode at various speeds (1/4, 1/2, 1) and mashed every button that was set to shield (which was every button but A), and got nothing.

 

[Chis]

I have a vid. I need it upload. I also did it 3 times in training.

I wouldn't post without proof or testing so yeah.

 

[pure_awesome]

That's awesome. Kudos to you, sir.


So until we find a way to get the vid up, anything else you can tell us? Have you had it happen on different stages? Which ones? Always with Sonic? Upsmash? Down? Forward? During the charge, or the start-up frames? Opponent nearby? Items on? What colour shirt were you wearing? Was it on a tuesday? Does CNN know about this?

 

[Chis]

Sorry, didn't test it much since here it's early in the morning and I should be sleeping. I'll test it later in the day.

And can someone contact me via profile messaging? I need it uploaded asap. Thanks.

 

[Kinzer]

Talk to Infzy, he could probably get it up for you.

 

[Tenki]

I saw a rumor of someone seeing a CPU cancel a smash attack's charge once, but there was never any proof of it recorded.

Since you don't have a video (yet..?), just for the sake of semantics, by 'charge', you mean the portion done while holding A, right?

as far as I'm concerned, a smash has these parts:
startup (always the same; not affected by charge at all)
charge (variable time, done by holding A)
release (part after releasing A during charge, or not hitting A at all - after startup)
cooldown (time after the last hitbox goes away)

@testers, you might want to try setting shield to a non-spring button (for GCC: not L or R) to reduce the possibility of 'missed' frames.

though, I honestly thought this was going to be a repost of Izzy's smash cancel.

that thread was pretty golden :3

 

[InterimOfZeal]

I was sad to see that it wasn't. Even if this is true, it's the most worthless thread ever.

 

[infomon]

Vids or it didn't happen.

plz send me vid, I'll youtubez it

needz chis' wii code plzkthx

 

[pure_awesome]

@testers, you might want to try setting shield to a non-spring button (for GCC: not L or R) to reduce the possibility of 'missed' frames.

One of the tests I ran I literally had every single button that wasn't A or the control stick set to shield. I mashed with every different hand positioning I could think of at various speeds in training mode.

If it is just shield-cancelling a smash charge, it's got like... a half-frame window, or something.

 

[Boxob.]

So today I SDR'd through the whorenado.

 

[Chis]

Testing. Weird stuff. You can also cancel it in to a shield. And you can do it near the end of the charge.

It works on more then one stage, so I'm assuming it's not stage dependent. I've done it 3 time during testing so far, I think I getting the timing. Sometimes it cancels after I/without me pressing the shield :/

 

[Tenki]

Testing. Weird stuff. You can also cancel it in to a shield. And you can do it near the end of the charge.

This'd be nice.

 

[Lionman]

If this is real some characters like Ike will be overpower

 

[Tenki]

Overpowered?

Not really.

It wouldn't make them 'cast' any faster.

If anything, it'll be as useful (less useful..?) as Sonic's side-B shield cancel (side-B can be done out of run, while F-smash can only be done from foxtrots/walk/stand). You start a charge to bait a reaction then you punish the reaction.

The 'degree' of safety would be different though depending on when it's cancellable. If it requires you to be towards the end of the charge then it's not TOO good. If it's during startup lag, it'd be amazing.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I'm uninformed, inform me on how to do this.

 

[Chis]

Oh it's real, I don't make joke threads.

 

[infomon]

OK Chis, you are added!

 

[M-WUZ-H3R3]

frame data is what you need. How much frames is the smash. Find the frame where it is canceled.
Does not seem practical if its only one or 2 frames though.

 

[Chis]

I sent it to you. It's near the end, I was playing quite badly then.

Could you cut it out until a few seconds I started charging a Fsmash? Thanks.

 

[infomon]

Sure I'll cut it. My sister's playing Dr. Mario atm, sooo.... gimme a bit lol

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

Chis...this doesn't invovle that wierd shiny yellow star shaped aura you get when you unleash attacks does it?

 

[Espy Rose]

I'm going to do what I do during all new discoveries.

Vids or it didn't happen.

 

[Tenki]

Just saying, I never posted vids of ASC shield cancel or ASC combos (basic or perfect).

It never happened lauulz.

 

[Rickerdy-doo-da-day]

I'm very interested to see if it is true. Even more things Sonic can cancel? Yes pl0x

(If this works for Peach...)

 

[Espy Rose]

Just saying, I never posted vids of ASC shield cancel or ASC combos (basic or perfect).

It never happened lauulz.

Tenki, quit being silly.
ASC is just a myth.

But on a quickly srs note, the fact of the matter, Mr. Brock:

Some else DID make vidjas. Therefore, it is.

The proof is in the tuna.

 

[Chis]

I'm just waiting for Infzy for the vids by the way.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I never seen a vid of a perfect ASC combo, only Tenki's photoshopped pix.

 

[Espy Rose]

I'm just waiting for Infzy for the vids by the way.

Then we shall all PM and spam the SBR until Infzy does as he was told.

 

[infomon]

lol guyz, gimme a min, my sister is still playing Dr. Mario with her bf.

>.>

<.<

no, that isn't a euphemism for something, you adolescent cretin!

 

[infomon]

Oh, wow. Chis wins a steak!

But please tell me this has happened on a stage that isn't Wario Ware. Like, say, Battlefield? Since there is a stage-transition at the time...... but you mentioned you've been able to reproduce it, in which case, steaksauce.

I'll hav this uploaded soon.

 

[Espy Rose]

I'm putting my bets on a level transition of some sort.

 

[Tenki]

Since this is before you post the vid, what stage was it recorded on?

Though, I'm going to be the killjoy ahead of time and say that the 'other stages' that it's been done on are probably just transition-type stages x.x;

lol guyz, gimme a min, my sister is still playing Dr. Mario with her bf.

I would have sigged that if it weren't for my current one lol.

 

[Chis]

Testing. Weird stuff. You can also cancel it in to a shield. And you can do it near the end of the charge.

It works on more then one stage, so I'm assuming it's not stage dependent. I've done it 3 time during testing so far, I think I getting the timing. Sometimes it cancels after I/without me pressing the shield :/

The other was battlefield.

And there was no stage interference.

 

[infomon]

Video will soon appear here:

[Smash-Cancelling?]

It seems pretty clear to me that it's caused by the WarioWare transition
But that doesn't necessarily invalidate the claim. If you can get me a vid from battlefield, that would be amazinghappysauce.

 

[Chis]

That was coincidence. Transitions only interrupt moves if your in the way.

Also I remember pressing the shield button.

 

[D. Disciple]

Hmm if this is possible without the coincidence of the stage transistion. I think the window to be able to cancel the smash attack is when you see the star burst from your character starting to charge their smash attack to when they flash yellow.

So it be like.

Begin your smash attack
Star Flash-----Yellow Flash to Shield.

Basically means you're just canceling the initial start up of a charged smash attack. Could be a nice mind game tactic if it actually does work on a stage other than Warioware.

 

[infomon]

Grawr. I just went to Wario Ware in training mode. The ground changes when the transitions happen, and it will interrupt any charging smash; probably any charging move. I just did it a bunch of times.

Please get me a vid of this on Battlefield..... until then, there's nothing to see here.