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Smash Bros. Most Wanted First-Party Unique Newcomer Tournament - Round 1 VOTING OPEN - ENDS 10/23 AT 12PM ET

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With Smash Ultimate's DLC ending and even though the next game is probably 3-5 years into the future, I think it would be cool to find out who the most wanted newcomers are on Smash Boards. Nimbostratus Nimbostratus did something like this for Ultimate before the game was shown off at E3 and now that several big characters have already made it in, I'd like to see where things stand now (and then I'd like to see this tournament done again when the next game is announced to see how things change).

First, I plan to do a tournament for first party unique newcomers and then third party unique newcomers and then echo newcomers.

I'm going to start off with a qualifying round, where you have 100 first party unique newcomers to choose from. In this round, you are essentially picking the characters you want to see in the tournament (which will have either 16, 32 or 64 characters depending on how many votes are cast and where the votes fall). As a result, you can vote for multiple characters in this round. It's actually encouraged. For example, if you want Waluigi, Skull Kid, Dixie Kong and Krystal, feel free to vote for all of them in this qualifying round. Of course it does defeat the purpose if you just vote for everyone listed, so I recommend that people try to limit it to 64 max (not sure if there's a way for me to manually add a limit).

How many votes characters get can also help determine their placement in the tournament proper.

Here is the Google Form to cast your votes for Round 1: https://forms.gle/f5Jbr5yYge9nZdcp6

Not sure how long I will keep this up, but I will let people know ahead of time when I plan to cease voting for the qualifying round. I just want to give people an opportunity to vote first.

You can view the qualifying round as an opportunity for us to make a tournament as a group as opposed to just me making the matchups.

EDIT: Made a change to the form, so the one I linked just now is accurate!!

EDIT 2: Need to make another change, so please hold on. I have Toad & Captain Toad in the bracket....

EDIT 3: It's all good now.

EDIT 4: Ugh, somehow I forgot Waluigi. I just added him.

EDIT 5: Added Takamaru. Thought I already had him in, but it turns out I didn't.
 
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Excellent list! I hate to be that guy and nitpick but Takamaru? Again, so sorry
Oh, I can't believe he wasn't on there! I just added him now. I definitely did have him on at first so I'm not sure how he was taken out. My bad! People should be able to edit their responses if needed.
 

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Oh, I can't believe he wasn't on there! I just added him now. I definitely did have him on at first so I'm not sure how he was taken out. My bad! People should be able to edit their responses if needed.
No worries! I love these kind of things so kudos for undertaking it. I have such a long list of retro and lesser known 1st party options saved somewhere so I always find myself having to remember that I’m the weird one for having all this useless knowledge on hand haha
 

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No worries! I love these kind of things so kudos for undertaking it. I have such a long list of retro and lesser known 1st party options saved somewhere so I always find myself having to remember that I’m the weird one for having all this useless knowledge on hand haha
Haha, I don't consider that weird. We all have lists like that, or wish we did.
 

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Needs Impa adding. She was one of the more popular Zelda requests.
I have her as echo fighter and will include her in the eventual echo fighter tournament.

Add Urboza pls
I have Kass as BOTW representation (and already included a ton of Zelda characters). Also, if I included Urbosa, I'd feel a need to include the other BOTW champions, which would be too much, in my opinion. That being said, it would be cool if their abilities could be an item or maybe part of Kass's moveset or something like that.
 

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Urban Champion was already added under the name Fighter.

Never heard of Mr. Stevenson. At this point, I'm not going to add characters from series that most people haven't heard of. Sorry!
Gumshoe isn’t that obscure mind you. It’s a memorable Zapper NES game from the Black box collection and Mr. Stevenson at least was well known enough to get a support thread here for each entry in the Smash Brothers series since Brawl so he definitely earns a spot there.
 

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Gumshoe isn’t that obscure mind you. It’s a memorable Zapper NES game from the Black box collection and Mr. Stevenson at least was well known enough to get a support thread here for each entry in the Smash Brothers series since Brawl so he definitely earns a spot there.
Can you add Elma from Xenoblade Chronicles X to the list?
Sorry guys, but it seems a little too late for me to add more characters to the list now that nearly 70 votes have already been cast. Plus I already have exactly 100 characters in the poll anyways, which is likely more than enough anyways.
 

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I have her as echo fighter and will include her in the eventual echo fighter tournament.
Impa absolutely does not need to be an echo fighter, in the same way that Dixie does not. You theoretically could, but it is certainly not necessary, and as someone who very much wants to see both, I would prefer that both not be echoes if they do ever come to Smash.

I think you're right that it would be late to add characters to this, but it's a bit unfortunate that some options just aren't even there. having an other option, where you fill in a character you would like to see might have allowed for a good workaround in case there is a character with a bigger fanbase that slips through the cracks somehow. Would've like to see Impa, Sami, Medusa, Karate Joe, Mallo, Elma, and to a lesser extent Decidueye as options myself.
 
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Would Digimon be considered third party or fourth party? Essentially, was it started as a video game or something else? I'd like to include it in the third party bracket, but only if it started as a video game.
 

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Would Digimon be considered third party or fourth party? Essentially, was it started as a video game or something else? I'd like to include it in the third party bracket, but only if it started as a video game.
The first Digimon media ever was a digital pet, like a Tamagotchi, which appeared on a simple LCD display. If you consider Mr. Game & Watch as originating from a video game, then you should also see Digimon as originating from a video game.
 

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The first Digimon media ever was a digital pet, like a Tamagotchi, which appeared on a simple LCD display. If you consider Mr. Game & Watch as originating from a video game, then you should also see Digimon as originating from a video game.
Good to know! I'll include a Digimon character when we get to the third party tournament.
 

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Voting is officially over! We received 108 responses, which is far more than what I anticipated (though 50-60 would be a lot)! Thank you to all who voted. I hope everyone returns and then some!

I'll post the results shortly when I finish looking over them. Since this sub will be shut down on the 21st, I'm thinking about starting Round 1 next weekend, although maybe I will start it tomorrow.

The number on the is their percentage, so Isaac got 74/108 votes, which means 68.52% of the people who voted picked him as one of their wanted newcomers.

1Isaac (Golden Sun)7468.52
2Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong)5450.00
3Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)4945.37
4Andy (Advance Wars)4440.74
5Takamaru (The Mysterious Murasame Castle)4137.96
6Waluigi (Mario)4137.96
7Paper Mario (Paper Mario)4037.04
8Captain Toad/Toadette (Mario)3734.26
9Chibi-Robo (Chibi-Robo)3633.33
10Chorus Kids (Rhythm Heaven)3532.41
11Krystal (Star Fox)3431.48
12Skull Kid (Zelda)3431.48
13Ashley (Wario)3229.63
14Tom Nook (Animal Crossing)3027.78
15Ganon (Zelda)2926.85
16Saki Amamiya (Sin & Punishment)2725.00
17Kamek (Mario)2624.07
18Starfy (The Legendary Starfy)2624.07
19Ayumi Tachibana (Famicom Detective Club)2523.15
20Adeleine (Kirby)2422.22
21Balloon Fighter (Balloon Fight)2422.22
22King Boo (Mario)2422.22
23Mach Rider (Mach Rider)2422.22
24Porky (EarthBound)2422.22
25Ring Fit Trainee (Ring Fit)2422.22
26Spring-Man (ARMS)2422.22
27Midna & Wolf Link (Zelda)2321.30
28Officer Howard (Astral Chain)2321.30
29Raven Beak (Metroid)2321.30
30Ray Mk III (Custom Robo)2321.30
31Stylist (Style Savvy)2321.30
32Vaati (Zelda)2321.30
33Cranky Kong (Donkey Kong)2220.37
34DJ Octavio (Splatoon)2220.37
35Lyn (Fire Emblem)2220.37
36Magolor (Kirby)2119.44
37Toon Zelda/Tetra (Zelda)2119.44
38Birdo (Mario)2018.52
39Captain Syrup (Wario)2018.52
40Lip (Panel de Pon)2018.52
41Marx (Kirby)2018.52
42Dillon (Dillon's Rolling Western)1917.59
43King Hippo (Punch-Out!!)1917.59
44Pauline (Mario)1917.59
45Excitebiker (Excitebike)1816.67
46K.K. Slider (Animal Crossing)1816.67
47Prince of Sablé (Kaeru no Tame ni Kane wa Naru)1816.67
48Samurai Goroh (F-Zero)1715.74
49Fawful (Mario & Luigi)1614.81
50Monita (Nintendo Land)1614.81
51Muddy Mole (Mole Mania)1614.81
52Sylux (Metroid)1614.81
53Tingle (Zelda)1614.81
54E. Gadd (Mario)1513.89
55Mona (Wario)1513.89
56Metroid (Metroid)1412.96
57Mr. Resetti (Animal Crossing)1312.04
58Poochy (Yoshi)1312.04
59Slippy Toad (Star Fox)1312.04
60Hades (Kid Icarus)1211.11
61Elite Beat Agents (Elite Beat Agents)1110.19
62Linkle (Zelda)1110.19
63Marin (Zelda)1110.19
64Tempo (HarmoKnight)1110.19
65Viridi (Kid Icarus)1110.19
66Fighter (Urban Champion)109.26
67Mike Jones (StarTropics)109.26
68Nintendo Labo (Nintendo Labo)109.26
69nintendog (nintendogs)109.26
70Dark Matter (Kirby)98.33
71Ghirahim (Zelda)98.33
72Jill (Drill Dozer)98.33
73Kremling (Donkey Kong)98.33
74Celica (Fire Emblem)87.41
75Cinderace (Pokémon)87.41
76Pom Pom (Mario)87.41
77Squid Sisters (Splatoon)87.41
789-Volt (Wario)76.48
79Bubbles (Clu Clu Land)76.48
80Goomba (Mario)76.48
81Henry Fleming (Cidename S.T.E.A.M.)76.48
82Boom Boom (Mario)65.56
83Ravio (Zelda)65.56
84Captain Rainbow (Captain Rainbow)54.63
85Koopa (Mario)54.63
86Peppy Hare (Star Fox)54.63
87Magnus (Kid Icarus)43.70
88Plasm Wraith (Pikmin)43.70
89Kass (Zelda)32.78
90Midbus (Mario & Luigi)32.78
91Sigurd (Fire Emblem)32.78
92Zant (Zelda)32.78
93Yuga (Zelda)21.85
94Cackletta (Mario & Luigi)10.93
95Fi (Zelda)10.93
96Kat & Ana (Wario)10.93
97Agahnim (Zelda)00.00
98Antasma (Mario & Luigi)00.00
99Demise (Zelda)00.00
100Helen Gravely (Mario)00.00

Only 4 characters received absolutely no votes! 2 Zelda characters and 2 Mario characters.
Isaac & Dixie Kong were the only 2 characters to have over 50% of the people vote for them and Isaac overwhelmingly got the most votes (of course this doesn't mean that he'll absolutely win in the end because you were allowed to and encouraged to vote for more than 1 character in the qualifying round).
Most characters were voted on by more than 10% of the people who voted.

So, with all that in mind, I think I will do a 64-character tournament. Since there was a 5 way tie in the end leading to 65 entrants, one matchup in the first round will have 3 choices.

It will also be done via Google Forms. I will post the bracket after I finish compiling the matchups. Don't expect Isaac VS Dixie Kong in Round 1!
 
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I really doubt there is any accuracy to this kind of tournament, but this is pleasant.

Happy to see that my Skull Boy is, so far, the most wanted Zelda newcomer.
Surprised to see Waluigi so relatively low. Also, I couldn't find Geno.
It's not surprising anymore, but I still find a bit odd that King Boo ranks so higher than E. Gadd.
 

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I really doubt there is any accuracy to this kind of tournament, but this is pleasant.

Happy to see that my Skull Boy is, so far, the most wanted Zelda newcomer.
Surprised to see Waluigi so relatively low. Also, I couldn't find Geno.
It's not surprising anymore, but I still find a bit odd that King Boo ranks so higher than E. Gadd.
I'm considering Geno a third party character because he is owned by Square Enix.
 

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Right, that makes sense.
So basically I feel like if/when Geno does become playable in a future Smash game, I could even see him not have the Mario series symbol and maybe even have his own symbol. I can even see his music only playing on his stage (plus the Battlefields and Final Destination) and not on any Mario stages.
 

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Sorry to double post, but I have decided to start Round 1 voting now and right now plan to end Round 1 voting this coming Saturday at 12PM Eastern!


Here is the form for voting in Round 1.

It will be a typical bracket with the first 16 matches on the left side and the next 16 on the right side. I'm just trying to find a decent bracket template. If anyone knows one, let me know.
 

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I'm a little late but I'm very happy to see Takamaru got 41 votes. My girl Mach Rider got herself 24 votes!! Mikes Jones only raked in 10 but that's a lot better than nothing. It's too bad Tin Star didn't make the cut this go round, maybe next election.

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