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Simon Frame Data Chart (rough draft)

the5souls

the5souls

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(note: The data below is a rough draft. There probably are mistakes so if you find any, please correct me.)

Here are some frame stats for Simon. The numbers are frames. Smash Bros Ultimate runs at 60 frames every second.

I used Simon against Marth in training, then used the frame-by-frame game speed option to count.

Thanks, and please feel free to make corrections and additions.

Examples
hit: 8 (that means the first attack hit happens 8 frames after you press the button to do the move)
grab: 10 (that means the grab happens 10 frames after you press the grab button)
dodge: 3-15 (that means you cannot get hit/damaged from the 3rd frame until the 15th frame)
shield: 2 (that means your shield comes out 2 frames after you press the shield button)
total: 35 (that means it takes a total of 35 frames to finish the move and then be able to do something else)

  • OFFENSIVE
    • GROUND
      • jab (first jab (second jab, third-ninth jab flurry))
        • hit: 5 (23, 40)
        • total: 34 (56 ,126)
      • grab (standing (running))
        • grab: 10 (13)
        • total: 37 (45)
      • ledge attack
        • hit: 21
        • total: 55
      • get up attack (while knocked down)
        • hit: 19
        • total: 55
    • TILT
      • side
        • hit: 12
        • total: 35
      • up
        • hit: 10
        • total: 36
      • down (first slide (second slide))
        • hit: 7 (7)
        • total: 52 (69)
    • SMASH
      • side
        • hit: 24
        • total: 64
      • up
        • hit: 18
        • total: 55
      • down
        • hit: 14
        • total: 55
    • SPECIAL
      • neutral
        • hit: 30
        • total: 66
      • side
        • hit: 19
        • total: 44
      • up
        • hit: 6
        • total: 26
      • down
        • hit: 18
        • total: 45
    • AIR
      • neutral
        • hit: 8
        • total: 43
      • forward
        • hit: 14
        • total: 40
      • back
        • hit: 14
        • total: 40
      • up
        • hit: 14
        • total: 40
      • down
        • hit: 14
        • total: 48
  • DEFENSIVE
    • GROUND
      • shield
        • shield: 2
        • total: 15 (if you shield for only 1 frame)
      • spot dodge
        • dodge: ?? - ??*
        • total: 22
      • roll dodge (forward (backward))
        • dodge: ?? - ??*
        • total: 30 (35)
      • ledge dodge
        • dodge: ?? - ??*
        • total: 45
    • AIR
      • neutral dodge
        • dodge: ?? - ??*
        • total: 46
      • directional dodge
        • dodge: ?? - ??*
        • total: 67
* I'm not sure how to reliably test the invincibility/dodge frames. If you have data or advice, please let everyone know. Thanks.

FASTEST HITS
ATTACK MOVE direction (frame when it first hits)
  1. JAB 1st hit (5)
  2. SPECIAL up (6)
  3. TILT down (7)
  4. AIR neutral (8)
  5. GRAB standing (10)
  6. TILT up (10)

  7. TILT side (12)
  8. GRAB running (13)
  9. AIR up (14)
  10. AIR side (14)
  11. AIR down (14)
  12. SMASH down (14)

  13. SMASH up (18)
  14. SPECIAL down (18)
  15. SPECIAL side (19)

  16. LEDGE attack (21)
  17. SMASH side (24)

  18. SPECIAL neutral (30)
FASTEST MOVES
ATTACK MOVE direction (total number of frames to finish move)
  1. SPECIAL up (26)

  2. JAB 1st hit (34)
  3. TILT side (35)
  4. TILT up (36)
  5. GRAB standing (38)
  6. AIR up (40)
  7. AIR side (40)

  8. AIR neutral (43)
  9. SPECIAL side (44)
  10. GRAB running (45)
  11. SPECIAL down (45)
  12. AIR down (48)

  13. TILT down, 1st hit (52)
  14. SMASH down (55)
  15. SMASH up (55)
  16. LEDGE attack (55)
  17. JAB 2nd hit (56)

  18. SMASH side (64)
  19. SPECIAL neutral (66)
  20. TILT down, 2nd hit (69)
 
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TheHero

TheHero

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If you turn on invincibility on the training mode settings it will show you when a move makes you invincible and which parts are invincible.

Here is an odd one I found: On frame 1 of pressing shield the Belmont's head will become invincible till covered by the shield. When letting go of shield the head will become invincible for 5 frames starting the frame you let go. You can act before frame 5 too(tested with up b).

This isn't height dependent or anything too. I tested with Ike, who is taller, and he had no such property. This may be unique to just the Belmonts. It may be meaningful in certain matchups that get spacing focused as they are more likely to aim for a target as small as your head(ie Marth, Belmont dittos).

Also upB is invincible on frames 5-6 and frame 7 starts the actual attack. Because the game has 6.5 frames of input latency you can use it as a true DP to get rid of anyone who is getting in on you and they cannot react to it. They would have to read it.
 
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Sauce09

Smash Rookie
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Dec 26, 2018
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I found that upB's attack starts on frame 6, with an invincibility frame. Maybe you didn't stand close enough to the enemy?
 
TheHero

TheHero

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Messages
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Sauce09 said:
I found that upB's attack starts on frame 6, with an invincibility frame. Maybe you didn't stand close enough to the enemy?
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I wasn't checking for the hit really and just went with when I saw the knife. I was more interested in the invincibility.
 
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