Show Me Ya Frames

[PZ]

What do you mean by "set knockback"? All 3 of dtilt's hitbubbles have a tripping rate... maybe you have to hit with just one bubble?

It's also likely that the move has to be stale, Ganon's stale dair can induce tripping for example.

It wasnt stale and the pop up hitbox doesnt work at all for tripping but the hitbox that sends them behind you does. Also its hard to explain set knockback but its the thing that allows cf to wall cg with fthrow at low percents until they get tumble kncokback whish they can tech the wall or just bounce off.

 

[Luxor]

I'd look at Dtilt in PSA again but I'm unable atm. Later.

 

[Z1GMA]

Dthrow @ 0%
+14
@ 100%
+23

+14

+23

So if the opponent is at 99, Falcon has 14 frames of advantage.
And if they are at 100, Falcon has 23 frames of advantage?

 

[Player-3]

whoa what dtilt gives that much advantage? lies

 

[teluoborg]

+14

+23

So if the opponent is at 99, Falcon has 14 frames of advantage.
And if they are at 100, Falcon has 23 frames of advantage?

No it's proportionnal. Like knockback.

 

[lordhelmet]

No it's proportionnal. Like knockback.

I never understood your avi

 

[teluoborg]

http://www.google.com/search?q=wmd
It's that simple lol.

 

[lordhelmet]

O h

 

[Ramzeh]

 

[Psychoace]

Have we ever thought about looking into dash > shield frame data?

 

[Chsal]

Don't you just add the frames for dash and shield together?

 

[teluoborg]

Are you talking about how many frames you have to wait before you can shield out of an initial dash ?
It's around 593 frames IMO.

 

[teluoborg]

Double postan, I'll leave this here :
http://opensa.dantarion.com/autoframe/FitCaptain.php

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Are you talking about how many frames you have to wait before you can shield out of an initial dash ?
It's around 593 frames IMO.

Umm... you can't shield out of an initial dash. It's when the initial dash turns into a run that you can shield or when the dash is over.

 

[lordhelmet]

I'll probably be in Frame Advance mode for a little while today. Give me something you want tested.

BTW, I couldn't really get the FH Nair to footstool on ROB - he's got a few frames to jump out at least.

 

[BigLord]

Dash>Shield frame data is something that I was always curious about but was never answered :/

 

[lordhelmet]

Dash>Shield frame data is something that I was always curious about but was never answered :/

I never understood what you guys were asking for lolol

Do you mean how long our dash animation is??

 

[teluoborg]

Yes I think it's that, the initial dash duration (at least that's what I'd like to know).

 

[BigLord]

Exactly that. The ammount of frames necessary for us to shield after a dash, i.e. how many frames does Captain Falcon's dash have?

 

[teluoborg]

Soooooooooooo, Falcon initial dash animation is 15 frames long
http://vgbootcamp.com/entry.php?9-Metagame-Minute-The-Skid-Canceling-Shield-Grab(SCSG)
Thanks GIMR.

And that's actually 1 frame faster than Marth. What. brb testing this.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

ಠ_ಠ

Dash Animation Duration in Frames(Thanks to rPSI for the data):

The Game.

 

[lordhelmet]

Seems odd but makes sense. Falcon's just covers a much larger distance.

 

[teluoborg]

Sorry sorry rPSI, plz don't look at me like that :/

 

[BigLord]

So... Does that make Captain Falcon the greatest dasher in the game and the 2nd greatest runner?

 

[teluoborg]

No, that makes his dash the less manoeuvrable one since you cover a great distance but have a long time before being able to shield.

 

[BigLord]

I meant "greatest" literally, lol. Yeah, it's not an advantage by any means... Except when you use Dash Smash/hyphen Smash.

 

[CaptainFalcon9000]

i didn´t understood almost anything, but still a cool thread i guess

 

[Psychoace]

http://opensa.dantarion.com/autoframe/FitCaptain.php

 

[lordhelmet]

Time to delete OP.

 

[PZ]

Never knew how close lordy's & Delux's data was...
Also falcon punch doing 27%? say WAHT!?

 

[Psychoace]

How the ground attacks are listed/named confuse me a bit though.

 

[teluoborg]

Dantarion's site is awesome, you just need to know some things to read it well :
-hitboxes are out on the next frame it's said they are out. Ex : Jab (attack11) is said to come out on frame 2, that means it comes out on frame 3. They still end on the frame it says they end (the "terminate collisions" line). Deal with it.
-smashes are counted from the moment you release the charge (so no, Fsmash isn't frame 7).
-invincibility frames begin at "Intangibility" and end at "Normal Body State"

There are other things like collision state=0x2 meaning a part of the hurtbox becomes invincible and other SA stuff, but unfortunately they don't concern Falcon.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Agreeing with teluoborg, it's an amazing resource, but it's messy and in some cases incomplete. Threads are an easier and prettier way of displaying the data imo.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Not to mention the data has inconsistency. It seems that in ZSS it adds one to say her jab is frame 1 and Squirtle says frame 0. We all know that it's frame 1 so the legitimacy of every character's data is put into jeopardy.

 

[Psychoace]

What should I look for in other frame threads that will point me to the correct frames for block advantages? It seems ours are the only ones that explain that. I'm trying to compare kirby frame data. Would it be hitlag?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

... No.

It should be 'block advantage' or something similar. It'll almost always be a negative number.

Edit: I checked the Kirby guide, and they don't have advantages on block.

Sorry.

 

[teluoborg]

Bump for request : can anyone check how safe jab>shield and jab>jab>shield are ? When the jabs connect of course, it's effing unsafe on shield.

Like is it possible for Marth to up B before shield comes out or something ?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

jab>shield?

jab>jab>shield?

 

[teluoborg]

Yeah, to be more precise when you hit an opponent with jab1 or jab1-jab2 what is your frame adv. Can you shield before the opponent can retaliate ?
I know by experience that jab1-jab2-jab3-shield isn't safe, but I wonder about the exact numbers for the first two jabs.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

-11 for jab1 on shield

-13 for jab2 on shield

^ Grabbing or jumping OoS

for normal shield drops add seven frames.