Shbawd

[dReAMCloUd - Assault K 40]

Nah, how seamlessly one can go from one move to another. This does require a great deal of speed but also the ability to combo on the fly. I don't think it's so much the claw set-up that I'm criticizing, but the claw mentality. When I say this I mean the idea that technical skill translates into the improvised comboing and finishers that one may see among the various different national level players. To clarify, I don't think pure technical skill does translate into that sort of comboing, it's rather experience from playing several tournaments and various different players. In this sense, I'm trying to say that the claw is no better than the standard controller style and could even be worse for the learning curve.

Eg. Take a look at the Seemiller grip in table tennis, only one person has truly gone anywhere with it and that's its creator. Similarly, I don't think switching to claw would be much of an advantage, however if you really have been playing for 6 years with that hand grip then I'm sure it's become comfortably effective.

 

[chu12ch]

So the fluidity comes from the players ability to string together combos...

And Yeah, switching grips is very harmful to your play, but if all else fails and you cant move fast enough, you might as well consider it...

And very nice table tennis analogy, i've recently picked up the game, and i hold it with that seemiller grip, its just like claw gripping a controller...

 

[Bullet Bill]

It'd definately be advantageous if you can shbawd with the c stick but the control stick works just fine for me. I don't want to have to change my entire grip just so I can shbawd

 

[chu12ch]

If you have the finger speed, by all means, keep your grip... But if you find it impossible, it might be beneficial to switch...

 

[dReAMCloUd - Assault K 40]

Cool !! You play seemiller, huh. That's pretty rare, and frankly I really haven't played anyone who uses that style seriously, or even casually for that matter. If you're ever in the columbus area, check out the osu table tennis club. Perhaps I'll play you there sometime, maybe not, but h3ll, there's a chance.

 

[jamminjohn]

I think it's easier with control stick + Z. Same thing with Marth's double short hop fair.

 

[Vitaminless22]

I found that if you practice it with Luigi first and then go back to doc its alot easier.

 

[Ronin686]

Or you could just practice with doc because it's really easy...

 

[Bullet Bill]

I respectfully disagree. Although I can happily say I CAN SHBAWD NOW!!!!!! . Well, I haven't completely learned it by heart but I'm getting most of em now compared to the occassional one. Also, I can even do it with the C stick sometimes . This is interesting as I have said to myself many times 'How the hell can you possible SHBAWD with the C stick? It's impossible you just can't get to the C stick in time'.

I suppose now my next step is using it during proper matches and trying to use it in the right place at the right time. I've got a tournament a June so I might try it there.

 

[St. Viers]

it is easy....with practice: it isn't as speed intensive as SHDL, or JC-shines, or even DJC aerials (fox, fox, and mewtwo). If you rest the tip of your thumb on jump and the middle if it on 'a,' and simply twitch your thumb I don't see how you can not get it (once you understand what I mean by twitch)

 

[jamminjohn]

The hard part isn't wavelanding after the shba but repeating it. The best I can do right now is once or twice then jab in that direction, which could work, maybe.

 

[Ronin686]

I respectfully disagree. Although I can happily say I CAN SHBAWD NOW!!!!!! . Well, I haven't completely learned it by heart but I'm getting most of em now compared to the occassional one. Also, I can even do it with the C stick sometimes . This is interesting as I have said to myself many times 'How the hell can you possible SHBAWD with the C stick? It's impossible you just can't get to the C stick in time'.

I suppose now my next step is using it during proper matches and trying to use it in the right place at the right time. I've got a tournament a June so I might try it there.

It is really quite useful when worked into your game. I throw them in all the time.

 

[MrMo]

C-stick. Right after you jump during your rising animation is when you press the bair so that by the time you're falling down you can waveland. It takes some practice for the timing but once you get it down you'll be set.

this helped tremendously, thank you.

 

[SmashMac]

this helped tremendously, thank you.

Glad it helped. Hopefully it helped the OP 7 years ago as well.

 

[ZaXXoR]

Glad it helped. Hopefully it helped the OP 7 years ago as well.

lol this reminds me of when i started doc 2 years ago and messaged you on facebook asking if you used c stick or A cuz i was slow at it

 

[Amiibo Doctor]

SHBAWD is Short Hop Back Air Wave Dash, right? It's been a while since I actually referred to stuff by its name.

 

[Mr.Lemon]

SHBAWD is Short Hop Back Air Wave Dash, right? It's been a while since I actually referred to stuff by its name.

It's waveland not wavedash

But
I use Y to jump and A to b.air, it's super smooth and easy once you get it down

 

[RoA_Zam]

I use Y to jump and A to b.air, it's super smooth and easy once you get it down

I second this. I tried for so long to do X > C-stick and I got it maybe 30% of the time. Switched to sliding from Y to A quickly and now I get them much more consistently. + it's a lot easier on your hand. I'm no master at it but it's definitely not hard to do.

 

[Superw0rri0]

It's waveland not wavedash

But
I use Y to jump and A to b.air, it's super smooth and easy once you get it down

Yes it is a wave land but the acronym says wavedash... Plus SHBAWD sounds cooler than SHBAWL

 

[Mr.Lemon]

Yes it is a wave land but the acronym says wavedash... Plus SHBAWD sounds cooler than SHBAWL

Why can't the "D" in SHBAWD stand for wavelan"D"