Shadow Sneak Hitstun Canceling out of throws.

[Lawliet626]

Greetings my fellow ninjas, I have taken the time to test out our ninja's best and most unique AT on each and every single throw in the game and I decided to make a list on them and the percentages they stop working on. These are useful to escape strings and also can create some 50/50 situations in some certain cases.

A few things to note are:
-These percentages are INDEED affected by rage. These percents were all tested without rage.

-If you happen to not see a character in this list, then that just pretty much means that you can't SS cancel out of any of that certain character's throws. Same thing applies to certain throws of certain characters that happen to be listed.

-Just because you can SS cancel, doesn't necessarily mean it's the best option. (For example. Greninja in low percents can get out of Rosalina's Uthrow and avoid the Utilt follow up, but due to the end lag of SS, if the rosalina player reacts quick enough after whiffing the Utilt, rosalina can get the regrab.)

-SS canceling out of some of these throws allow you to punish your opponent if you do it fast enough (in some cases, the opponent can also Perfect shield if he is fast enough. Ex. Dk's Dthrow.)

-Miis were tested out in their default weight and size.

-Greninja cannot SS cancel out of any throws of Shulk's smash monado.

Here's the list, I hope it'll be to some use for you guys:



-Dthrow (until 47%)


-Fthrow (until 16%)
-Dthrow (until 16%)


-Bthrow (only works at 0%)
-Uthrow (until 54%)

-Uthrow (until 28%)
-Bthrow (until 23%)
-Fthrow (until 23%)


-Uthrow (until 16%)
-Fthrow (until 26%)


-Fthrow (until 9%)
-Bthrow (until 16%)
-Uthrow (until 10%)


-Uthrow (until 4%)


-Dthrow (until 27%)
-Bthrow (until 2%)
-Cargo Fthrow (until 19%)
-Cargo Dthrow (until 23%)


-Bthrow (until 6%)


-Dthrow (until 41%)


-Bthrow (until 13%)
-Uthrow (until 26%)


-Dthrow (until 9%)
-Fthrow (until 9%)
-Bthrow (until 13%)
-Uthrow (until 14%)


-Uthrow (until 23%)


-Bthrow (until 30%)
-Fthrow (until 4%)


-Uthrow (until 17%)


-Fthrow (until 14%)
-Bthrow (until 17%)


-Fthrow (until 24%)

/
-Bthrow (until 1%)


-Fthrow (until 29%)
-Uthrow (until 28%)


-Dthrow (until 61%)


-Fthrow (until 9%)
-Bthrow (until 13%)


-Bthrow (until 24%)
-Fthrow (until 23%)


-Fthrow (only works at 0%)


-Fthrow (until 39%)


-Fthrow (until 35%)
-Bthrow (until 10%)
-Uthrow (until 9%)


-Uthrow (until 5%)
-Fthrow (until 6%)


-Bthrow (until 4%)
-Fthrow (until 4%)


-Bthrow (until 10%)


-Dthrow (until 29%)
-Fthrow (until 3%)
-Bthrow (until 24%)


-Fthrow (until 9%)
-Bthrow (until 4%)


-Bthrow (until 23%)


-Dthrow (until 6%)
-Bthrow (until 29%)



1. Red pikmin
-Dthrow (until 22%)
-Fthrow (until 7%)
-Bthrow (until 40%)

2. Blue pikmin
-Dthrow (until 3%)
-Bthrow (until 12%)

3. White pikmin
-Dthrow (until 15%)
-Bthrow (until 31%)
-Fthrow (until 3%)

4. Purple pikmin
-Dthrow (until 15%)
-Bthrow (until 31%)
-Fthrow (until 3%)

5. Yellow pikmin
-Dthrow (until 15%)
-Fthrow (until 3%)
-Bthrow (until 31%)



-Fthrow (until 16%)


-Fthrow (until 15%)


-Dthrow (until 21%)
-Fthrow (until 48%)


-Fthrow (until 9%)


-Dthrow (until 14%)
-Fthrow (0-999% and we can also escape ALL of the shadow balls if done quickly and correctly)


-Fthrow (until 3%)
-Bthrow (until 3%)
-Dthrow (until 8%)


-Dthrow (only at 0%)
-Uthrow (until 13%)


-Uthrow (until 29%)


-Uthrow (until 14%)
-Fthrow (until 27%)


-Fthrow (until 4%)

:

1.Normal
-Uthrow (until 9%)
-Fthrow (until 3%)

2. Buster
-Dthrow (until 31%)
-Bthrow (until 55%
-Uthrow (until 115%)
-Fthrow (until 73%)

3. Jump
-Uthrow (until 9%)
-Fthrow (until 3%)

4. Speed
-Uthrow (until 10%)
-Fthrow (until 5%)

5. Shield
-Uthrow (until 11%)
-Fthrow (until 7%)

:
-Dthrow (until 21%)
-Bthrow (until 21%)


I'll update anything if necessary.

Credit also goes to HIV+ for helping me test this out!

 

[Kite0692]

How useful are these? I mean, can they punish us or do something about it?
I haven't tested them.

 

[Lawliet626]

It really depends on the throw and the endlag they have to it, some of them are also pretty much useless
I guess a good 60% aint even worth it but hey, at least this post can gives us the facts straight.
But its good to condition the opponent and make them try to bait us out to do a SS cancel, and in that situation if they do not do a follow up and wait for us, we can escape for free.

 

[Lemonade Candy]

He can cancel out of normals too :O

 

[Lawliet626]

He can cancel out of normals too :O

He can and I thought of starting a list, but god that gonna take me such a long time.

 

[Lemonade Candy]

baby steps. I still want to know if we can shadow sneak out of shield but no one will answer me.

 

[Lawliet626]

Well according to the AT thread we can and I've also pulled it off a couple of times myself, but it's not something id rely on in an actual battle

 

[Lawliet626]

Updated with clouds throws!
Ill update again if necessary when i test out Bowsers new Uthrow or when Corrin / Bayonetta come out.

 

[Lawliet626]

Updated with bowser's new Up throw.

 

[Megamang]

Lemonade Candy I believe I read that we can no longer Shadow Sneak out of shield. This was along with the nerf so we couldn't Shadow Sneak out of landing lag.

I'm sad those things are gone, but at the same time I'm kinda glad that they have messed with this move a lot, it makes me more hopeful that SSHC will stay in.

Or, we'll start to use it a lot and they'll realize its kinda broken in certain situations, and they'll take it away and give us buffs in return >. Fsmash could be stronger and not have a deadzone.

I'd have like, 50 more wins if fsmash didn't have a deadzone.

 

[Lemonade Candy]

Thanks for being the first to answer a question in the air for so long.

 

[Derpnaster]

I know Greninja can escape from pretty much any multi hit move. But I had no idea he could escape from throws using SS.