San Antonio Smash 4 Thread

[Nike.]

Speedy beat Mindless.
Mindless and HeroMystic play as a result.
You beat Speedy

 

[Suspect]

Speedy beat Mindless.
Mindless and HeroMystic play as a result.
You beat Speedy

 

[Suspect]

in all seriousness, speedy beat mindless the same round heromystic beat me.

so me and mindless should of ran into each other, no?

 

[Mindles]

Speedy beat Mindless.
Mindless and HeroMystic play as a result.
You beat Speedy

in all seriousness, speedy beat mindless the same round heromystic beat me.

so me and mindless should of ran into each other, no?

 

[Suspect]

money matches dont count for your precious PR points

 

[Sinister Slush]

You both were on opposite sides of the bracket

 

[Suspect]

No, its the byes that messed it up.

Speedy- bye, beat mindless, lost to sylveon, lost to me

Heromystic- bye, beat me, lost to spie500, lost to mindless

Me- bye, lost to hero mystic, bye, beat Zhuiro, beat Speedy, lost to lan

One of those players had an easy bracket for not even being ranked and barely playing this game.

Heromystic got screwed. Mindless screwed himself I guess.

 

[Sinister Slush]

I think everyone who isn't already ranked get byes. Diamond skater/Neo, Inuyasha/Scalene, and Psychoward in this case.

Also nike I been meaning to ask, but is top 10 tournament gonna be best of 5 for every match?

 

[Nike.]

Oh gawd no.

 

[Suspect]

megafox took our money and bought a ps4 with bloodborne. thought it was for his college?

 

[Pikabunz]

It's for research purposes. He's going to be a video game designer.

 

[Zano]

I thought he was gonna be a demon slayer, coulda fooled me

 

[Teshie U]

Food for thought: Holding up to DI increases knockback.

Are you sure about this? I was under the impression that vectoring was gone, meaning that you could only affect the amount of knockback by crouch cancelling and directions otherwise only affected angle as it has in past games.

 

[HeroMystic]

Are you sure about this? I was under the impression that vectoring was gone, meaning that you could only affect the amount of knockback by crouch cancelling and directions otherwise only affected angle as it has in past games.

I am 100% positive. Test it yourself vs Sonic's B-throw.

Vectoring is still in the game, just much weaker. I will admit I'm not sure if vertical vectoring still exists, but horizontal vectoring absolutely exists.

 

[Funcrazyfish]

I'm salt life always has a way of ruining my plans to do things... I'm wondering if I beat megafox in bracket will I be able to qualify for top 10 tournament lol

 

[Teshie U]

I am 100% positive. Test it yourself vs Sonic's B-throw.

Vectoring is still in the game, just much weaker. I will admit I'm not sure if vertical vectoring still exists, but horizontal vectoring absolutely exists.

Thats not vectoring, thats just DI. Holding up or down while moving horizontally is just curving the angle. Vectoring is when you hold towards or away from the direction you are moving. Like holding up while being sent straight up.

 

[Pikabunz]

Holding up/down does increase/decrease knockback and it only works with horizontal knockback. Just test it yourself. Use a smash attack on someone with and without holding up and compare the launch distances in the results screen and you'll see that the numbers are different. You can even do the same with left/right and see that the distance doesn't change at all but it still affects the angle you are launched.

 

[HeroMystic]

K-Prime speaks truth.

 

[Suspect]

K prime doesn't speak actually

 

[Suspect]

I'm gonna main villager. Who's a good villager so I can try to copy their vids?

 

[Teshie U]

I'm not sure exactly what the game counts as launch distance. I guess I'll keep an eye out for that. Are you saying if I DI up on a horizontal move, it kills be earlier and I should simply not DI?

 

[Sinister Slush]

ADHD :^)
People getting this Up/Down from horizontal moves backwards with vertical/vectoring.

 

[BWG_Zeta]

Is there any way to technically analyze data on DI/vectoring? I mean I'd assume it'd be a hard task if even possible but I'm really just curious.

 

[Espy Rose]

Nike's TIO files keep corrupting. I'm remaking the bracket from scratch. Should have raw ELO values up soon.

Here are the rankings raw. I'll edit them in table format in a bit:

Spoiler

Megafox - 1974.30
Espy - 1783.68
K Prime - 1775.75
SnorlaxPie500 - 1765.51
Slush - 1714.14
Paw - 1710.99
Jopan - 1706.30
Castro - 1694.96
Incendiary - 1686.25
Valdens - 1681.04
Sylveon - 1676.17
FunCrazyFish - 1651.24
HeroMystic - 1640.81
Shade - 1629.44
Mindless - 1627.05
Culix - 1624.77
Donte - 1623.29
Clos3 - 1618.55
Shlike - 1614.95
Lan - 1613.24
Few Chainz - 1610.55
Geoberos - 1609.56
RIP - 1608.87
Whiteout - 1607.66
KoN - 1606.90
Enigma - 1605.50
Basegod - 1603.63
Kyro - 1599.12
Chewy - 1599.07
Suspect - 1597.26
Kev - 1596.42
Overdrive - 1595.32
BabyBwake - 1593.60
Volume - 1590.95
Chazz - 1590.84
ruen - 1590.52
KM - 1583.13
IconXIII - 1579.38
ScootyPuff Jr. - 1578.52
Azure - 1578.22
JNasty - 1577.83
LTC - 1574.58
Winds - 1571.60
Bishop - 1569.92
Psychoward - 1569.47
Scalene Dred - 1567.37
El Cancel - 1566.10
Iam - 1565.79
Speedy - 1564.69
Vitamin - 1563.44
Applepoe - 1563.10
NinjaFish60 - 1559.51
inTOXIC - 1556.77
Zeta - 1550.41
CCCM - 1534.22
Haijynx - 1532.97
Crashman - 1531.45
Jaredgcom - 1518.26
Mondy - 1507.86
Gtimes - 1484.27

 

[Suspect]

How did kyro pass me when he wasn't even there lol

 

[Espy Rose]

Because you lost points.

Table format guys:

RANK | TAG | RATING | Movement
1 | Megafox | 1974 | =
2 | Espy | 1783 | =
3 | K Prime | 1775 | =
4 | SnorlaxPie500 | 1765 | =
5 | Slush | 1714 | =
6 | Paw | 1710 | +1
7 | Jopan | 1706 | -1
8 | Castro | 1694 | +1
9 | Incendiary | 1686 | -1
10 | Valdens | 1681 | =
===|===|===|===
11 | Sylveon | 1676 | =
12 | FunCrazyFish | 1651 | =
13 | HeroMystic | 1640 | =
14 | Shade | 1629 | +1
15 | Mindless | 1627 | -1
16 | Culix | 1624 | -1
17 | Donte | 1623 | =
18 | Clos3 | 1618 | =
19 | Shlike | 1614 | -1
20 | Lan | 1613 | +10
21 | Few Chainz | 1610 | NEW
22 | Geoberos | 1609 | +19
23 | RIP | 1608 | -3
24 | Whiteout | 1607 | -3
25 | KoN | 1606 | -3
26 | Enigma | 1605 | -3
27 | Basegod | 1603 | -2
28 | Kyro | 1599 | =
28 | Chewy | 1599 | =
30 | Suspect | 1597 | -4
31 | Kev | 1596 | -4
32 | Overdrive | 1595 | -1
33 | Babybwake | 1593 | -10
34 | Volume | 1590 | -2
35 | Chazz | 1590 | -3
35 | Ruen | 1590 | -3
37 | KM | 1583 | -1
38 | IconXIII | 1579 | =
39 | Azure | 1578 | =
39 | ScootyPuff Jr. | 1578 | =
41 | JNasty | 1577 | =
42 | LTC | 1574 | -7
43 | Winds | 1571 | +2
44 | Bishop | 1569 | NEW
44 | Psychoward | 1569 | =
46 | Scalene Dred | 1567 | NEW
47 | El Cancel | 1566 | -1
48 | Iam | 1565 | -11
49 | Speedy | 1564 | -1
50 | Vitamin | 1563 | -1
50 | Applepoe | 1563 | -1
52 | NinjaFish60 | 1559 | -9
53 | inTOXIC | 1556 | -2
54 | Zeta | 1550 | -7
55 | CCCM | 1534 | -3
56 | Haijynx | 1532 | -3
57 | Crashman | 1531 | -3
58 | Jaredgcom | 1514 | -3
59 | Mondy | 1507 | -3
60 | Gtimes | 1494 | -3

 

[Suspect]

I lost points by showing up and placing decent. So I would of been better off not entering? Lol

 

[Espy Rose]

If they mean that much to you, then yes.

 

[Suspect]

If they mean that much to you, then yes.

They don't I've just never heard of a ranking that does that. And I'm not good enough to place any better than what I got so i really shouldn't be entering.

 

[Teshie U]

If it makes you feel better, Espy removed me from the rankings and now I have no drive to improve.

 

[Suspect]

Its cool. He's not invited to my bday party

 

[Pikabunz]

I'm not sure exactly what the game counts as launch distance. I guess I'll keep an eye out for that. Are you saying if I DI up on a horizontal move, it kills be earlier and I should simply not DI?

Yes, you can die earlier by DI'ing up than with no DI at all.

 

[Suspect]

And I hope they patch sonics back throw too

 

[Xyro77]

I responded to Nike's obscene call out in the SAM 3 thread.
Nike (Marth) vs Xyro (Samus)
3 out of 5 money match for $10
4/4/2015 in San Antonio, TX.
http://smashboards.com/threads/apri...-monthly-for-smash-wiiu.393986/#post-18843414

 

[Suspect]

There's a tournament here next week? Who's coming from Houston?

 

[Sinister Slush]

Nike, you never gave an explanation on y no bo5.
Maybe first/second (cause everyone but 7/10 and 8/9 gets a bye) round shouldn't be bo5 but depending what's in the pot for placings, this is still gonna be a decent amount of money on the line.

It's only 18 matches and if it's the usual start at 6:30 end at 10, it should be enough time for Bo5 after rounds 1/2 winners and round 2 losers bo5 can start. Unless you find a bigger more hype venue with atmosphere for just this tournament and have a different new earlier time to enter, then even more reason. If we're gonna hype up this entire top 10 tournament for almost 5 months and only for it to last like 2 hours, that doesn't feel very enticing.

If not gonna go with it cause it doesn't feel like it's needed since no big money, at least show the payout for 1-10 is gonna be out of 600 or so moneyz in the current pot until last 3 weeklies.

 

[Zajice]

I lost points by showing up and placing decent. So I would of been better off not entering? Lol

If they mean that much to you, then yes.

I feel like any system that discourages players from even entering tourneys is a bad system.

 

[Geoberos]

Damn, eliminated straight out the winners and his only win in Losers counts for only half as much, there's no incentive to even.

All these upsets and a 5th place I never should've gotten rubberbanded me half my rankings. Y'all have such a padding that I didn't affect anything up there. Bwake did take a hit for losing early, though.

And now time for my slow descent back into ELO hell.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Looking at the rankings earlier and now beros post does make me think some more though.
I'm honestly surprised Jopan and Santi didn't drop at all. Or even Paw recently losing to Incendiary and Sylveon last week, trading even 5 points each at the most is what I thought would've happened.

I expected a huge upset from a 1.7k person and 1.5k in winners would make him lose close to 20+ points, while santi losing to Jabandrew (1600 point start and beating a couple people should only get him around 1620 at most so santi losing to 1620ish player with 1755 should be a lot too) in both winners and losers would make his points drop.
But only 6 point loss even when Jopan lost to Castro, around almost 30 point difference as well. And Santi gained points granted he beat K prime, but felt the loss from 1600 would've hurt both him and Prime a lot.

Zac's system, while good, is so damn weird. If you honestly don't get punished for losing to people almost 200 points under you, then I would've entered one or two more weeklies I purposely avoided cause houston came down and I thought they would've skewed everyones points since they'd be under 100 for most of top 10, since Zac's system is lose 24 max in winners, 12 max in losers.

For those kinda point losses, he must've meant if like A tier/S tier (1900-2000+) lost to an F tier to lose 24 or 12 whole points back then or something...

I coulda kept going to these things and almost never worry about losing too many points even if I lose to people a few placings under me. I can literally inflate my points till I feel I'm in a comfortable spot and even if I lose to Gtimes as an example, I won't even lose 10 points it seems while losing to anyone near me would look like .5-2 point loss at worst
What have I done...

Edit: The more things I post, the more I feel like I'm the tesh of SA lol

 

[Suspect]

Damn, eliminated straight out the winners and his only win in Losers counts for only half as much, there's no incentive to even.

I had two wins in losers lol >_>