Data Samus Knowledge Compendium

[DungeonMaster]

List of Advanced Techniques (ATs), tips, tricks and all things related to advanced play with Samus. This is a repository for threads we don't want to lose track of in the depths of the forum.

Guides and guidance:

• http://smashboards.com/guides/outsmarting-mother-brain.343/ Xygonn's Samus guide (best out there to date!)
  
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb2f3NUsqb8 : JTails' Samus guide.
• http://smashboards.com/guides/samus-tips-tricks-by-cobbs.183/ : Conda's Samus guide.
• http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...rn-about-samus-here-updated-1-13-2015.377587/ The Green Lesbian is back! Learn sm4sh Samus from Brawl's best Samusplayer!
• http://smashboards.com/threads/butter-your-bread-a-bnb-50-50s-and-frame-trap-tutorial-series-update-episode-1-is-here.401680/ Frame traps and other general fighting game applications to smash

Very basic, essential guidance:

• Every time anyone lands in smash 4 they incur 4 frames of landing vulnerability. This is when you want to land a CS/missile/grab in particular, precisely as they are landing.
  
• Reflectors, counters and absorbers ignore the 4 frames. You definitely want to poke with a missile, threaten a grab against those characters and not simply CS.

Detailed move analysis:

• http://smashboards.com/threads/samus-iasa-project.386446/ : Rohins' IASA project
• http://pastebin.com/jZhaMUGe Samus' Frame Data as of 1.03. Taken from here http://pastebin.com/PzTjdtx8
• http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-4-weight-rankings.367479/ Weight list (not yet checked with code data)
• http://smashboards.com/threads/various-samus-tech-touch-of-death-added.394735/ various tech described and with video by Depth_
• http://smashboards.com/threads/charge-shot-vs-other-projectiles.391902/#post-18621157 Charge shot vs. other projectiles
  
• http://smashboards.com/threads/movement-options-with-ftilt.386978/ Very detailed movement options with f-tilt from Rohins
  
• http://smashboards.com/threads/samus-shield-damage.395673/ Detailed shield breaking from Xygonn
• http://smashboards.com/threads/samus-attacks-vs-character-ledge-clings.392640/ Detailed list of attacks vs ledge clings from Afro Smash and RC
• http://smashboards.com/threads/dash-attack-u-smash-true-combo-s.398508/ Detailed dash->up-smash combos by RC
  
• http://smashboards.com/threads/samus-rising-short-hop-options-vs-all-characters.399455/ Rising short hop aerials from Afro Smash
• smashboards.com/threads/stale-rage-f-tilts-inescapable-knockdown-percents.399387/ knockdown from f-tilt by Depth_
• Bomb thread: http://smashboards.com/threads/bomb-uses.384404/
• Shield grab vs. aerials: http://smashboards.com/threads/shield-grab-vs-aerials.407971/ what you can, in theory, shield grab
• Kill percents: http://smashboards.com/threads/samus-moveset-kill-percents.417780/
• Shield Damage: http://smashboards.com/threads/samus-shield-damage.395673/
• Teching and get up options frame data: http://smashboards.com/threads/frame-data-get-up-options.409675
• Attack priority: http://smashboards.com/threads/attack-priority-in-ssb4.405164/#post-20054296

Advanced Techniques:

• The reverse charge shot: This move is NOT a standard b-reversal. You flick the stick in the opposite direction -> let it return to neutral -> B.
• Stage grazing CS (easiest out of short hop) to hit ledge clingers
  
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeC-9YYqfEY Instant wall hop (works on FD too)
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yei6oxLzRjo#t=258 Frame cancelled B-air into up-air within a short hop!
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ_ZzAvSFis#t=557 Samus perfect pivot/ Zaw dancing examples
  
• http://smashboards.com/threads/charge-shot-cancelled-shield-drop.390785/ Charge Shot cancelled platform shield drop
• http://smashboards.com/threads/basic-question-on-pivot-grab.387877/ Basic pivot grab and boost pivot grab
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k4pDRk_vWU&feature=youtu.be http://youtu.be/4k4pDRk_vWU Xyro's ledge and platform tips
• Any air-dodge can be canceled with z-air at any point. Rolling is 10 frames vulnerable at the end and 4 at startup. SH air-dodge can be canceled with z-air at any point and is in every way superior.
  
• Charge cancelling explanation video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8TFZdTRFsE
• Charge cancelled b-air: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO14zyfO9cU
  
• Insta-Dash or Instant Dash, a frame perfect dash attack from neutral position. As you begin the dash instead of hitting "A" to start the dash attack, hit down-smash on the c-stick. This means you will will never do a tilt or f-smash instead of dash-attack.
  
• Kara smash, or stutter step smash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LE1emLDAZ8
• Frame canceled aerials, only works on hit! http://smashboards.com/threads/frame-cancel.386639/
• Platform or stage cancelled f-air: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c29NU-tsimU and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JwUfWARorY
• Getting all hits on f-air offensive DI: http://smashboards.com/threads/getting-all-the-hits-on-f-air-consistently.401675/
  
• http://smashboards.com/threads/reverse-charge-shot-trump-guaranteed.389327/ Tether ledge grabs are 7 frames vs. 24. This allows for guaranteed trump, and even reverse charge shot trump
• Ledge trump to reverse charge shot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWjoYc8g1b4
• Avoiding trumping: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYNxxGjkVCs
• Ledge trump cancel on wall jump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2e6I7lRAfk
• Bomb crouch cancel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2&v=9hOqNnZUH5o https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2&v=Z5KOCcuhA0Q (7 frame advantage)

Jab lock combos:

• http://smashboards.com/threads/samu...-top-of-main-post-for-list-of-updates.386197/ RoachCake's very detailed list

Setups and other unconventional stuff:

• Some setups: http://smashboards.com/threads/share-your-setups.411965/

Polished string and AT inspirational videos (my selection with some editor's bias, there are a lot of these):

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yei6oxLzRjo and
  
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpCneVA8dgA&index=6&list=PL3ABnR0vb_fmySzVzXy0Pc2E-lLE4-kXt KayJay Compilations
  
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjh-0uaAc7A and
  
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS6RTEgL6J4 and
  
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUDgb7QB9r8 Afro Smash compilations
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_-K68LJCXI and
  
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmdFovRUWGc -_ellipsis_- compilations
  
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYGTrR4fksY RoachCake compilation
  
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9zWDXKDj_o nOOb compilation

Suggestions, corrections, welcome.

 

[DungeonMaster]

R.I.P ATs (no longer functional):

• Tether trump combined with ledge missile cancel: http://smashboards.com/threads/tether-ledge-trump-out-of-reversed-b-side-cancel-sexy-ledge-trump.404420/#post-19317844 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2EV0wFvYO8
• http://smashboards.com/threads/new-samus-ledge-tech-i-found-while-in-training-mode.377926/ Ledge bomb/missile cancel

I'll keep the links for historic reference in case they reverse decisions with later patches.

 

[MegaRiff]

Is Zero's video of Samus somewhere in those lists?

 

[DungeonMaster]

I haven't included any of the "let's play" videos, there are a lot of those honestly. If he produces a dedicated Samus guide I'll definitely add it in. It's also several patches old now, when Samus used to have the "good" f-tilt in particular.

 

[KingOfTheHill]

How do you do a stage grazing CS?

 

[DungeonMaster]

@ KingOfTheHill It's done by timing a CS to come out just before Samus lands. Best achieved by firing a little bit after you peak in your SH jump. The CS extends into the stage a bit and can catch anyone clinging to the ledge.

 

[Xygonn]

@ DungeonMaster The roll data is wrong. I may have at one point spread lies to you about all rolls being 4 frames and 10 frames thus giving Samus a bunch of intangible frames. That is simply not true. For use it is 3 frames (intagible starts on frame 4) goes until frame 25 and has FAF on 40 which gives us 14 vulnerable frames at the end (shield comes out on frame 40).

 

[DungeonMaster]

@ Xygonn yep, for sure, we were working off of what we had at the time, no blame to you. I have a lot of updating of this thread and the other than may not happen unfortunately for a couple of weeks if I can't get to it by the end of this one (tournament time, real life fighting, not virtual...)

 

[KenMeister]

I haven't seen this anywhere, but what are Samus' best and worst stages?

 

[Afro Smash]

She doesn't really have bad stages tbh, it's all pretty match up dependent.

If your opponent has issues landing or approaching then FD or Duck Hunt is great.

BF/Miiverse/Dreamland make it easier for us to land and can extend our up air combos, and we can shield break characters on the top platform with Up B, but it can also extend combos of characters like ZSS and Falcon.

Delfino and Halberd gives us 0-death opportunities with D Throw/Dash Attack > Uair > Uair > Up B, we can shark through the stage with Uair and potentially shield break or poke with Up B, and on Halberd we can easily cover the ledge with Charge Shot since it goes through the stage and the middle is lowered.

Smashville we can camp the platform to Charge Up otherwise it's pretty neutral.

Town & City's lower ceiling helps net earlier Up B Oos kills.

 

[Afro Smash]

http://smashboards.com/threads/samus-moveset-kill-percents.417780/

Add this fam

 

[DungeonMaster]

Ok, finally got around to adding those things we definitely don't want to lose to the depths of the forum.
Added links specifically to:
Kill percents
Teching and getup frame data.
Shield damage
Bomb crouch cancel
Shared setups

Still not yet in but I'm going to throw in a bunch of videos in the inspiration section from the general video thread as well, particularly unconventional play.

 

[Claire Redfield]

What determines whether Samus uses her Grapple Beam as a tether recovery or not? Because it seems like most of the time, it just does an attack, when I'm pressing no directional input. I'd really like to know how to do it every time, if such a thing is possible.

 

[Afro Smash]

What determines whether Samus uses her Grapple Beam as a tether recovery or not? Because it seems like most of the time, it just does an attack, when I'm pressing no directional input. I'd really like to know how to do it every time, if such a thing is possible.

If you're in tumble after being hit you can't tether til you're back in a normal state, so just always airdodge before you tether to be safe, you can immediately cancel the airdodge with the tether so there's not really any time loss

 

[Claire Redfield]

It's not tumble, though, that I can tell. Even when I'm in controlled aerial state, it seems like it just wants to do a n-air or something. I'll try again tomorrow.

 

[KayJay]

I may have found something huge. I'll do more tests for now. Will update soon.

 

[DungeonMaster]

Morph ball during hitstun? Did that once, not sure how.
Sliding across the stage d-smash? Computer controlled Samus did that to me once, no idea how.

Curious to see what you've found!

 

[KayJay]

Morph ball during hitstun? Did that once, not sure how.
Sliding across the stage d-smash? Computer controlled Samus did that to me once, no idea how.

Curious to see what you've found!

Nothing flashy in the visual aspect but a very practical & guaranteed 45% dmg hit combo on tall characters (hello Bayonetta) without using a CS. And it can be used for good bait & for stage control.

 

[DungeonMaster]

Combo thread then? Compendium is more for techs/links. And please post, I would love for it to make it into the video I've been laboring over.

 

[KayJay]

Video is uploaded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEC6rkLYV-c

 

[DungeonMaster]

Very nice, and yes, should be in here not the combo thread.