Data Roy Patch Discussion (current patch: 1.1.5)

[Moydow]

Just waiting on my 3DS to install the update, then I can start checking details myself. Can't update Wii U yet because I need to record replays first

 

[ElectricBlade]

So, just got my hands on the patch. Nothing about Roy seems to be majorly changed so far, but there might be something small that I'm missing.

But real talk, Robin's d-throw is legit now.

Im stuck with Hotel wifi right now, what did they do to Robins Dthrow?

 

[Guineapig126]

Im stuck with Hotel wifi right now, what did they do to Robins Dthrow?

It goes A LOT lower now, and combos into Arcthunder for a regrab or Arcfire. It's... it's beautiful

 

[Seraphim.]

Unless I'm missing something, Roy seems exactly the same.

 

[Perris6]

Checked and I havent found any changes to Roy yet

 

[ElectricBlade]

It goes A LOT lower now, and combos into Arcthunder for a regrab or Arcfire. It's... it's beautiful

wow, thats sick!

 

[Liyrex]

ROy plz dont be nerfed

 

[Zio~]

So, just got my hands on the patch. Nothing about Roy seems to be majorly changed so far, but there might be something small that I'm missing.

But real talk, Robin's d-throw is legit now.

Same here, I'm testing his damage output and frame data mostly, so far everything seems the same, and yeah, robin can do some real stuff now

 

[Zio~]

So far the only thing I've noticed is that flare blade does 1% more damage, and his sourspot on jab does 1% less damage

 

[Moydow]

Sourspot jab is unchanged. The exact value is a decimal point - 4.8 - which is where the misunderstanding might come from.
I am seeing what appears to be a 1% change to uncharged Flare Blade, but I need someone with the old version to check to confirm.

 

[Guineapig126]

Alright, some people are saying U-Smash and F-Smash got KB nerfs. Testing right now, hoping this is just salt.

EDIT: Uncharged Flare Blade always did 6 percent and still is from what I can tell.

 

[Moydow]

F-smash knockback is identical, it still kills Mario at 62% uncharged in training.

 

[GalacticPetey]

People on Reddit are saying his jab comes out quicker. Can anyone confirm?

 

[Croph]

Roy has got to have some changes since his page from Dantarion's data dump isn't blank.

http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/roy.html

 

[Flukey]

So, just got my hands on the patch. Nothing about Roy seems to be majorly changed so far, but there might be something small that I'm missing.

But real talk, Robin's d-throw is legit now.

REALLY?1 better dust off my Robin

 

[Moydow]

People on Reddit are saying his jab comes out quicker. Can anyone confirm?

Looks the same to me.

Roy has got to have some changes since his page from Dantarion's data dump isn't blank.

http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/roy.html

I think Blazer got some additional hitboxes, but I'm not sure since I can't really read most of it.

 

[Perris6]

Roy has got to have some changes since his page from Dantarion's data dump isn't blank.

http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/roy.html

Can someone translate lol

 

[drogoth232]

Can someone translate lol

A big problem is that the move "names" for the dlc characters (and some normal characters) are in hex. I can try to read most of the information.

I have a good background in brawl modding so I can read the code to some degree, here's the changes that are on Dantarion's mastercore. Just giving general stuff, nothing specific until I get more time.

22f: don't know what, but it has an extra hitbox. It also has another set of data where more hitboxes get added and then removed at the end. Damage for all hitboxes has stayed the same afaik but the kbg for added hitboxes is reduced (sourspots but no damage reduction?)
230: same as above

You guys can choose to believe me or not, but I implore you guys to check out my background in brawl coding both on Smashboards and KCMM.

 

[Moydow]

A big problem is that the move "names" for the dlc characters (and some normal characters) are in hex. I can try to read most of the information.

I have a good background in brawl modding so I can read the code to some degree, here's the changes that are on Dantarion's mastercore. Just giving general stuff, nothing specific until I get more time.

22f: don't know what, but it has an extra hitbox. It also has another set of data where more hitboxes get added and then removed at the end. Damage for all hitboxes has stayed the same afaik but the kbg for added hitboxes is reduced (sourspots but no damage reduction?)
230: same as above

You guys can choose to believe me or not, but I implore you guys to check out my background in brawl coding both on Smashboards and KCMM.

Based on the damage values, they appear to be Blazer (up-B). I'd worked out that they have less set knockback than the original hitboxes (which are unchanged), but that's as far as I'd gotten.
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OP update incoming, by the way

 

[drogoth232]

Based on the damage values, they appear to be Blazer (up-B). I'd worked out that they have less set knockback than the original hitboxes (which are unchanged), but that's as far as I'd gotten.

Yep, that's exactly what I forgot to add. Nice catch.

 

[Moydow]

Confirmed: no changes to Roy's frame data, at least as far as my testing shows. So unless something weird turns up out of the blue, the Blazer "sourspot" hitboxes are the only changes we've got.

 

[FlamingForce]

So blazer just connects more reliably now? Or does it kill later or something?

 

[Nelkoy]

Confirmed: no changes to Roy's frame data, at least as far as my testing shows. So unless something weird turns up out of the blue, the Blazer "sourspot" hitboxes are the only changes we've got.

Glad to hear. I actually expected a nerf more than a buff, so if Roy stay as he was is pretty good for me.

 

[Croph]

So blazer just connects more reliably now? Or does it kill later or something?

Yeah, can someone explain if the additional hitboxes will make a difference for Roy?

I suppose his Fsmash will get a chance to get nerfed... another day. The patch could have been better, but could have been worse. I'll take what we got, with a coke and a side dish of unsalted fries. and I just lost $5

 

[ArikadoSD]

Unsalted fries tastes bad though. I like a bit of extra salt on anything, quite honestly

 

[Nelkoy]

I think is too soon for a nerf, or even a buff, for Roy. There's a lot of things we haven't discovered yet.

I'm impatient to see him in important tournaments and see what results he can reach.

 

[Moydow]

We've got one more thing: for every character in the game, their invulnerability frames for roll and spot dodge have been reduced by one. So for Roy, he now becomes vulnerable on frame 18 of a spot dodge, as opposed to 19, and for rolls, he becomes vulnerable on frame 19, instead of 20.

 

[FullOfGore]

We've got one more thing: for every character in the game, their invulnerability frames for roll and spot dodge have been reduced by one. So for Roy, he now becomes vulnerable on frame 18 of a spot dodge, as opposed to 19, and for rolls, he becomes vulnerable on frame 19, instead of 20.

NOW IT'S LIKE MELEE

I'm glad he was 99% untouched, I was worried all the whining for his f-smash nerf would happen.

 

[mario123007]

i also play only on the 3DS but they never mentioned the youtube feature for 3DS, the pretty much forgot about the 3ds version just adding the DLC's and patches

"Sigh" yeah...
I didn't think they 3DS has Youtube uploading features. Not even New 3DS.

 

[CanadianMegaMan]

Does his up b still one hit people from 0% with max rage while they're charging a smash?

 

[Nelkoy]

Does his up b still one hit people from 0% with max rage while they're charging a smash?

I think that was exactly the thing they have patched.

 

[bound_for_earth]

phew ok ok i thought the nerfes would be way more drastic

So it looks like we don't have many changes to mull over; just a few extra hitboxes in Blazer.

Confirmed Changes (http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/roy.html)

• Blazer (Up special)
  • Has additional hitboxes, with reduced weight-based knockback (details to be confirmed, apparently the Jigglypuff rage-induced 1HKO is no longer possible)
    • Original hitboxes are unchanged
• Spot dodge
  • First vulnerable frame 19 -> 18
• Forward and backward roll
  • First vulnerable frame 20 -> 19

Disconfirmed (please don't post these)

• Any and all frame data changes not connected to spot-dodges/rolls

 

[Moydow]

Further updates, courtesy of @LordWilliam1234

Went through Roy's frame data. He didn't receive any frame changes, but he did receive shieldlag changes on all of his sweetspots as well as his Double Edge Dance.

Jab: Self shieldlag on a sweetspot hit reduced by 2 frames, 10 -> 8. Safer on shield.

F-tilt: Self shieldlag on a sweetspot hit reduced by 2 frames, 12 -> 10. Safer on shield.

D-tilt: Self shieldlag on a sweetspot hit reduced by 2 frames, 11 -> 9. Safer on shield.

U-tilt: Self shieldlag on a sweetspot hit reduced by 2 frames, 12 -> 10. Safer on shield.

Dash Attack: Self shieldlag on a sweetspot hit reduced by 3 frames, 13 -> 10. Safer on shield.

F-smash: Self shieldlag on a sweetspot hit reduced by 3 frames, 17 -> 14. Safer on shield.

D-smash: Self shieldlag on a sweetspot front hit reduced by 3 frames, 14 -> 11. Self hitlag on a sweetspot back hit also reduced by 3 frames, 15 -> 12. Safer on shield.

U-smash: Self shieldlag reduced by 2 frames, from 8 -> 6.

N-air: Self shieldlag on a sweetspot hit reduced by 2 frames: 9 -> 7 for the first hit, 10 -> 8 for the second hit. Safer on shield.

F-air: Self shieldlag on a sweetspot hit reduced by 2 frames: 11 -> 9. Safer on shield.

B-air: Self shieldlag on a sweetspot hit reduced by 2 frames, 12 -> 10. Safer on shield.

D-air: Self shieldlag on a sweetspot hit reduced by 3 frames, 14 -> 11. Safer on shield.

U-air: Self shieldlag on a sweetspot hit reduced by 2 frames, 10 -> 8. Safer on shield.

Double Edge Dance: Self shieldlag on Neutral 1-3, Up 1-3, and Down 2-3 reduced by 1 frame. Self shieldlag on Neutral 4 reduced by 3 frames, 12 -> 9. Self shieldlag on Up 4 reduced by 3 frames, 13 -> 10. Self shiellag on the final hit of Down 4 reduced by 2 frames, 11 -> 9. All of this makes each version safer on shield.

Updated my frame data sheet accordingly.

Note that all of this ONLY applies to shieldlag. Hitlag is the same as it was before. And all of his sourspots were unchanged.

I wonder if this is a universal thing for characters who have hitlag modifiers, since this is also the case with Link's spin attack/f-air/f-smash 2 changes that I noted previously; hitlag is unchanged, but the self shieldlag was reduced. Perhaps I should check Ryu and Marth next.

 

[ArikadoSD]

So basically a buff, even if very minor. Sweet.

 

[Moydow]

Going to be reusing this thread, in the event that Wednesday's patch brings us balance changes. 1.1.0 stuff has been archived in a spoiler (still need to add the shieldlag stuff to the OP though).

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

No Roy changes according to Thinkaman.

 

[Gamesfreak13563]

"Sigh" yeah...
I didn't think they 3DS has Youtube uploading features. Not even New 3DS.

The feature is cycle-prohibitive to implement on the 3DS. The way it appears to work on the Wii U is that it plays the replay and records/encodes it to a relatively low bitrate H.264 MP4 file, which is not computationally feasible on a small handheld device.

This could easily be fixed if Nintendo abstracted away the computation from the device, i.e. by sending the replay to a server for the server to render it, but that would be pretty expensive.

 

[mario123007]

The feature is cycle-prohibitive to implement on the 3DS. The way it appears to work on the Wii U is that it plays the replay and records/encodes it to a relatively low bitrate H.264 MP4 file, which is not computationally feasible on a small handheld device.

This could easily be fixed if Nintendo abstracted away the computation from the device, i.e. by sending the replay to a server for the server to render it, but that would be pretty expensive.

Yeah, it makes sense. Smash replay on the 3DS isn't really a video file.

 

[Moydow]

Yep, looks like we got nothing outside the universal shieldstun changes.

Master Core is reporting a few numbers being changed in some unidentified attacks, but they don't seem to be anything major, and I don't have time to try and work out which move is changed right now.

 

[Gamesfreak13563]

Yep, looks like we got nothing outside the universal shieldstun changes.

Master Core is reporting a few numbers being changed in some unidentified attacks, but they don't seem to be anything major, and I don't have time to try and work out which move is changed right now.

It has to be Blazer. Was this sort of BS possible before?