Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[Shorts]

Hey Oppossom, update that post and just tell me everyone you want cut~

 

[~automatic]

If you add DHD then they win dammit!.

 

[FlareHabanero]

If you add DHD then they win dammit!.

Well they are going to lose regardless. You know, voting off and all that.

 

[Opossum]

Okay...everyone? Well, okay. Everyone cut except:
Brawl Vets
K Rool
Ridley
Toad
Shulk
Little Mac
Starfy
Goroh
Palutena
Roy
Mewtwo
Mega Man
Takamaru
and Muddy once he's added next round.

 

[Arcadenik]

Newcomers I would love to see in future SSB games (including SSB4):

Balloon Fighter (I warmed up to him)
Captain N
Chrom
Commanding Officer (Andy in background ordering Infantry units to fight just like in Advance Wars games)
Dixie Kong (with or without Kiddy Kong)
Duck Hunt Dog
Impa
Isaac or Matthew (I like Golden Sun games in general so I am happy with either one)
King Hippo
King K. Rool
Little Mac
Masked Link (Deku/Goron/Zora transformations)
Medusa
Meowth (with or without Team Rocket's Arbok and Weezing)
Mii
Muddy Mole
Pac-Man
Palutena
Pokemon Trainer Gold with 2nd gen starters
Ridley
Simon Belmont
Slime (Dragon Quest)
Starfy
Takamaru
Tingle
Toad
Toon Zelda / Tetra (NOT Toon Sheik!!!)
Villager (Animal Crossing)
Waddle Dee
Zoroark

I hope that 50% of them gets in SSB4.

 

[~automatic]

Well they are going to lose regardless. You know, voting off and all that.

All they want is acknowledgement. It's like when Ralph Nader almost won the Maryland primary; dude just wanted to be seen because he was a bit of a troll to his opposition.

Open your eyes!


EDIT:
Additions are as follow:
Isaac
Ridley
Paper Mario
Vaati
Little Mac
Lyn
Tom Nook
And Steve Zizzou because The Life Aquatic is one of Miyamoto's favorite movies.

 

[Jakor]

I'm uploading the version 4.0 of the Roster Maker... Now I just need to update the thread.

 

[Shorts]

Hmmm, let's see. Let me post the green guys again.

Goroh defiantly. He's been the runner up for the series since Melee. He did also appear as an assist trophy, so I think Sakurai thinks highly of him. I think Goroh's issue was just there were better choices at the time. I don't that is an issue now.

I think with Samurai Goroh, to people who know about F-Zero/Smash Spec stuff, Goroh is a long awaited addition. To casual players, he's that guy from Captain Falcon's game who's also an AT. For people who may not even know about F-Zero, simply because he is related to Falcon (The only F-Zero rep), they might just add him to their vote. I'm sure to even casuals, adding another F-Zero character seems like a smart move.

Dixie is pretty strong too. The only real issue with her is that K. Rool is a stronger contender and the question comes down to having 4 Dk characters. I don't think it's a huge issue.

To most SSB fans: K. Rool > Dixie
BUT, Sakurai DID choose Dixie before him (Even if she was with Diddy)

What do you think about the whole Forbidden seven Dixie thing? Really, it seems like Sakurai likes to add characters who didn't make it into previous titles.

I'm iffy on Ghirahim. He seems to be holding out really well and he had a larger roll (was also a boss 3 times). The issue is the fact he'll never appear again and Sakurai seems to try and avoid that. Midna didn't get in Brawl so we'll see if that was a fluke or not. Not as confident on him.

I was a wee lad when I was playing around on Nsider during 2006/2007.

Ghirahim now VS Midna then

Who's more popular/longer lasting?

Nothing special in the rest. Surprised Zoroark is so high. He could happen, but it's hard to say. Lucario worked because he was a popular pick but we haven't seen another Pokemon like that. So I'm not as confident on him.

You don't think Zoroark is as prominent/popular as Lucario? If anything, I think he's MORE prominent than Lucario. He's got his movie, plus his event and the fact that N has one. I mean, I don't want to sound like a newbie, but Lucario being added really does seem like it had to do with him being... relevent.

Lucario Pre-Brawl vs. Zoroark, what's different, really?

Saki is unlikely since there are far stronger series.

Can't deny. It seems like Sakurai likes him though. He's one of the fe AT's that seems the most like a playable character. (Starfy, Lyn, Waluigi, Little Mac, and Goroh are some of the others)

Bower Junior will likely be beat for Toad or Waluigi (or Dr. Mario. never know).Krom isn't very likely as he doesn't stand out enough and Roy will take the spotlight.

What do you think about Awakening's splash, and global release? Doesn't that say anything for him? I never see much going for Junior other than: Easy clone, has a bigger "role" than Wal/Toad/Doc. But thats it.

Not sure why people think Pac-Man is likely. I know Namco is making the game, but Sakurai has full control. Brawl showed us he set the bar pretty high and Megaman is even questionable at this point.

Gonna say no there. Toad is iffy because I don't think Sakurai thinks highly of him. I'm gonna say probably not, but you never know. He's a good enough character to be there.

Krystal is a likely not. Starfox has a lot of characters and there are a some stronger characters in her way.

I see Krystal's saving graces as her being a StarFox character, her being the most popular SF character that isn't in Smash already, and her popularity prior to Brawl's release.

It's a maybe. No to Geno though I'd like to see him.

Never saw you as a Geno fan.

Also, what do you think of Mii's and Mona?

 

[Deleted member]

Lucario Pre-Brawl vs. Zoroark, what's different, really?

Quite a lot of things to be honest.
Lucario is also far from irrelevant, given that it became an accessable Pokemon for B/W2 (even advertised for the animated trailer) and even had more spotlight during Ash's final battle in the Unova Cup being against a freshly evolved one. In contrast, Zoroark has yet to appear in the anime outside of the one from the movie (though that can change with the Episode N saga).

And for a case of irony, Pokemon Smash, the replacement Japanese mini-show for Pokemon Sunday, re-replaced their Zoroark costume for the Lucario costume from Sunday.

 

[---]

Never knew SmashChu was a Geno fan. Just when you think you know a guy...

Also is there some sort of game going on right now? Bring me up to speed please.

 

[Jakor]

VERSION 4.0 OF THE ROSTER MAKER HAS ARRIVED.

Now if someone could tell me how to change the title of a thread?

 

[ChronoBound]

Hahahaha, I was reading some Japanese Earthworm Jim fanboy claiming that he is popularly requested outside Japan, and the other Japanese Smash Bros. fans tore him apart and said they see nothing like that. Its funny how some Japanese fans talk about foreign popularity just like some here talk about Japanese popularity.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Hahahaha, I was reading some Japanese Earthworm Jim fanboy claiming that he is popularly requested outside Japan, and the other Japanese Smash Bros. fans tore him apart and said they see nothing like that. Its funny how some Japanese fans talk about foreign popularity just like some here talk about Japanese popularity.

XD. Lol.

Aside from Ridley, Little Mac and this event, are there any other characters with foreign popularity that are often talked about?

 

[ChronoBound]

XD. Lol.

Aside from Ridley, Little Mac and this event, are there any other characters with foreign popularity that are often talked about?

The only other thing I have seen mentioned in regards to popularity is that Sonic is very popular outside Japan.

On a curious sidenote, I actually sometimes see requests for Banjo-Kazooie there.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Banjo-Kazooie must appear in Smash 4, please Microsoft

 

[Oasis_S]

Harry from Teleroboxer is actually the most popular request from Uruguay.

 

[lobotheduck21]

Mr. Stevenson is the most requested character at my house

 

[3Bismyname]

i would actually like Harry as a newcomer. but Little Mac seems to be one of the most likely newcomers and Harry is pretty much the same character as far as skills go. maybe an alternate costume. or hey Harry should be in the next Punch Out game. that would be sweet actually

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Ya cut Geno, I no longer care. I think I'll find a way to sabotage it

 

[FalKoopa]

I'll cut the following:
Dixie Kong
Toon Zelda+Terta
Black Shadow
Mach Rider
Prince Fluff
Pichu
Dark Samus
Slippy Frog
Medusa
Masked Man
Kumatora Caeda
Micaiah
Zael
Tails

As for Entries:
Lyn
Mr Resetti

 

[Gene]

How many characters are we allowed to cut? I'll cut:

Krystal (furry popularity =/= likeliness. Plus we don't need any more SF characters at this point. Unless it's Slippy, but that's just personal preference)
Bowser Jr.
Kamek
Young Link (Toon Link is fine)
Ghirahim
Toon Zelda+Tetra (also why would anyone want Toon Sheik??)
Black Shadow
Balloon Fighter
Prince Fluff
Genesect
Victini
Gardevoir
Pichu
Every FE rep that's not Marth, Roy, Ike and Krom
Masked Man
Kumatora
Zael
Isaac
Every 3rd party (mostly due to my low expectations)

 

[SmashChu]

ok, let's see if I can get though all of these.

I think with Samurai Goroh, to people who know about F-Zero/Smash Spec stuff, Goroh is a long awaited addition. To casual players, he's that guy from Captain Falcon's game who's also an AT. For people who may not even know about F-Zero, simply because he is related to Falcon (The only F-Zero rep), they might just add him to their vote. I'm sure to even casuals, adding another F-Zero character seems like a smart move.

I think you brought up a good point. Goroh is one of those characters people know despite never really playing F-Zero. It another reason I see him as a sure thing.

To most SSB fans: K. Rool > Dixie
BUT, Sakurai DID choose Dixie before him (Even if she was with Diddy)

What do you think about the whole Forbidden seven Dixie thing? Really, it seems like Sakurai likes to add characters who didn't make it into previous titles.

Yeah, it took him three games to add Dedede. One Dixie, probably. I figure what happened is that they planned to have them be together with unique special moves but couldn't make it work, so they separated them. Even if Dixie was cut afterwards, I figure she had some moves of her own. Diddy's side B is leftover from that concept. It may also be why the CPU never uses Down B.

I was a wee lad when I was playing around on Nsider during 2006/2007.

Ghirahim now VS Midna then

Who's more popular/longer lasting?

I think Ghirahim is more popular now. The problem with Zelda was there was never a clear choice. Back then, you had Midna, Vatti and Skull Kid popping up. There was always a different character. Ghirahim is at least consolidated. Again, it's hard to say if he'd get in seeing as Sakurai has turned down many other characters from Zelda. For me, his chances are on the fence.

You don't think Zoroark is as prominent/popular as Lucario? If anything, I think he's MORE prominent than Lucario. He's got his movie, plus his event and the fact that N has one. I mean, I don't want to sound like a newbie, but Lucario being added really does seem like it had to do with him being... relevent.

Lucario Pre-Brawl vs. Zoroark, what's different, really?

The reason a lot of people say Zoroark is that he is more expected than wanted (though your poll may show otherwise). He was a very popular Pokemon. Zoroark was Nintendo trying to make another Lucario (they were even rivals). Zoroark has a shot because Pokemon always has a shot. So, again, it's hard to say. Betting on Pokemon isn't a bad bet though.

Can't deny. It seems like Sakurai likes him though. He's one of the fe AT's that seems the most like a playable character. (Starfy, Lyn, Waluigi, Little Mac, and Goroh are some of the others)

Yeah, I can agree.

What do you think about Awakening's splash, and global release? Doesn't that say anything for him? I never see much going for Junior other than: Easy clone, has a bigger "role" than Wal/Toad/Doc. But thats it.

Nothing much on Chrom. As Chrono has pointed out, Ike's game was one of the worst selling games in the series. I don't think sales will be enough for him. It's interesting that none of the old characters got a popularity boast. Leaf would be a really fun character for Smash.

I see Krystal's saving graces as her being a StarFox character, her being the most popular SF character that isn't in Smash already, and her popularity prior to Brawl's release.

Krystal is interesting. She was really popular during the Brawl days but she has since crashed and burned. I wouldn't be surprised if the voice actor leak during Brawl propped her demand up a lot.

Never saw you as a Geno fan.

Never been vocal about it.

As an aside, I'm open to most characters (most of the good choices). I also tend to talk about characters who aren't as likely because they are more interesting. Dillon being one example. It gets boring talking about Little Mac, K. Rool or Shulk because they're probably getting it. It becomes a waiting game. The other characters have some mystery to them. Not as much into third party characters, but I wouldn't mind Megaman.

Also, what do you think of Mii's and Mona?

Mii could happen. Wouldn't be a surprise. The hard part is how will they work and does Sakurai see them as a character. You have to make all the characters mesh together which may be hard if you have Darth Vader. So Mii may have to have a set look. There is also an issue of will it work in Smash. We'll see, though if Mii is in, I wouldn't be surprised.

Mona, I don't think so. The Warioware characters don't have enough pull. They'd be here more to expand that series instead of because people being a fan of them. Warioware is interesting. I consider it like Nintendo's darkstalkers. It's got a lot of weird characters that would liven up the fighting game. it also has a lot of female characters.

I'm glad you value my opinion, but don't be arfaid to ask others or use your own judgement. In Smash speculation, no one is really smarter than anyone else; we just like to believe we are.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I think you brought up a good point. Goroh is one of those characters people know despite never really playing F-Zero. It another reason I see him as a sure thing.

It was Super Smash Bros. that made Goroh slightly above the rest in terms of recognizable faces.

I think Ghirahim is more popular now. The problem with Zelda was there was never a clear choice. Back then, you had Midna, Vatti and Skull Kid popping up. There was always a different character. Ghirahim is at least consolidated. Again, it's hard to say if he'd get in seeing as Sakurai has turned down many other characters from Zelda. For me, his chances are on the fence.

It makes sense in context why Ghirahim is slightly above the rest, because of his actions pretty much setting up the events of future titles with the whole "Demise's reincarnations (aka Ganon) haunting the decedents of Link and Zelda" thing. But again, that is not exactly enough.

The reason a lot of people say Zoroark is that he is more expected than wanted (though your poll may show otherwise). He was a very popular Pokemon. Zoroark was Nintendo trying to make another Lucario (they were even rivals). Zoroark has a shot because Pokemon always has a shot. So, again, it's hard to say. Betting on Pokemon isn't a bad bet though.

The main thing that keeping Zoroark afloat is mainly because he was the first Pokemon revealed for Gen V, as such he fills in the "mascot" niche in a sense more then the other Pokemon. Even after that promotional period ended, Zoroark was still not treated like a typical Pokemon. For example, in Pokemon Black 2/White 2 you meet two Zoroark NPC's and you can raise a Zoroark of your own from N's Zorua. Also not vocal, but the Lucario and Zoroark rivalry thing might also be a minor contribution.

Nothing much on Chrom. As Chrono has pointed out, Ike's game was one of the worst selling games in the series. I don't think sales will be enough for him. It's interesting that none of the old characters got a popularity boast. Leaf would be a really fun character for Smash.

Technically speaking, people that support Roy do feel more confident. There is much praise to his new design in particular. To a lesser extent there is stuff like Lyn that gets some attention too.

Disagree about Leif being remotely fun in any way.

Krystal is interesting. She was really popular during the Brawl days but she has since crashed and burned. I wouldn't be surprised if the voice actor leak during Brawl propped her demand up a lot.

It was mainly the voice actor and Fox's "dark" palette that rattled up the Krystal supporters. Why the Krystal support was so vocal to begin with was because of spite towards clones, and they thought Krystal would be an original character with the staff.

As an aside, I'm open to most characters (most of the good choices). I also tend to talk about characters who aren't as likely because they are more interesting. Dillon being one example. It gets boring talking about Little Mac, K. Rool or Shulk because they're probably getting it. It becomes a waiting game. The other characters have some mystery to them. Not as much into third party characters, but I wouldn't mind Megaman.

Talking about smaller stuff is a challenge, but that's the charm of it. You get to explore some hidden gems and how it could feasibly work. It does feel like a nice change of pace from the norm. Solving the mystery can be quite handy.

Mona, I don't think so. The Warioware characters don't have enough pull. They'd be here more to expand that series instead of because people being a fan of them. Warioware is interesting. I consider it like Nintendo's darkstalkers. It's got a lot of weird characters that would liven up the fighting game. it also has a lot of female characters.

A lot of the WarioWare characters are very quirky, but each one has something that would be interesting in Super Smash Bros. Like you said, like Darkstalkers the series is filled with a lot of distinctive characters. Going by Mona alone, she is a character with a very notable emphasis on randomness with inconsistent jobs and getting attacked by stuff ranging from police to jealous rock bands.

 

[Big-Cat]

Mona, I don't think so. The Warioware characters don't have enough pull. They'd be here more to expand that series instead of because people being a fan of them. Warioware is interesting. I consider it like Nintendo's darkstalkers. It's got a lot of weird characters that would liven up the fighting game. it also has a lot of female characters.

I can kind of see this analogy, but Wario Ware and Darkstalkers have completely different tones (there's also no kung fu werewolf). While Wario Ware does have a lot of weird characters, the differences between them, appearance wise, is nothing compared to Darkstalkers with the succubus, vampire, cat girl, werewolf, homicidal Red Riding Hood, Sasquatch, a bee, etc.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, instead we get a schoolgirl of many jobs, a disco freak (complete with his own doppleganger), a pair toddler kunoichi, a pair gamers, a taxi dog and cat, an alien, a mad cyborg scientist, a witch with demon, a martial artist and his master, the mad cyborg scientist's cute grandaughter, and a karaoke robot.

That sounds like a bad sitcom. Or a good sitcom, who knows.

 

[FlareHabanero]

A so bad it's good sitcom. There, we got the best of both worlds.

Now a Super Smash Bros. sitcom would be very interesting.

 

[Frostwraith]

Starring the WarioWare and Kid Icarus: Uprising casts, also featuring Waluigi, Tingle and King Dedede voiced by Sakurai?

Would watch.

 

[Opossum]

A so bad it's good sitcom. There, we got the best of both worlds.

Now a Super Smash Bros. sitcom would be very interesting.

Pit: Link, did you break all of my pots again?

Link: HEYAHAYAH

*laughtrack*

Pit: Oh, Link...

 

[~automatic]

I imagine a Smash Bros. sitcom playing out like many Brawl in the Family comic strips do; hit and miss but amusing in the end.

 

[Frostwraith]

Was thinking on BitF too. xP

Imagine this: Link walks on a home and begins looking for pots. Waluigi pops out of nowhere and says "Expecting pots in this house? Too bad! Waluigi time!"

 

[~automatic]

I love the BitF strip about Waluigi and his fans.

It's ****ing hysterical because it's true. XD

 

[FlareHabanero]

Waluigi is not exactly what I'd call a character with a warm heart. I mean, the guy eats babies and throws soup at others.

 

[Frostwraith]

He also eats puppies, as shown in the second strip of Waluigi Triloigi from BitF.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...

I mean, eating babies and puppies is quite cruel, it's no wonder why no one likes him.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Smash Bros Sitcoms made me suddenly think of "Omake"-videos about potential newcomers fighting around for fame and recognition.No 4th Wall and most serious characters suffer the most.
Or something.

 

[Big-Cat]

Kirby: Snake-kun, Snake-kun.
Kirby: Is there any cake left?
Snake: You ate it all, didn't you?
Kirby: Pyoro~n

 

[Deleted member]

He also eats puppies, as shown in the second strip of Waluigi Triloigi from BitF.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...

I mean, eating babies and puppies is quite cruel, it's no wonder why no one likes him.

To be fair, that was Wagluigi. (bad pun on "wag", something dogs do with their tails).
Original Name: Do Not Steal (no seriously, I don't think anyone has thought of that until just now)

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Shulk: So if I'm going to be featured in Smash Bros, that means I'll be shipped to no end with other boys in this series, right?
Isaac: Pretty much.
Saki: Hmh.
Shulk: So uhm... are you guys ready for it?

*Marth suddenly clutches on Shulk's shoulders with very disdained face*

Marth: Here's a good advice newcomer...


YOU WILL NEVER BE READY FOR IT.


EVER.

Ike & Pit: He speaks the truth.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Pit has been shipped with everyone, but the only one that makes sense is his love for hot springs.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Pit X Hotsprings = Only canon pairing.

Ike and Pit-shipping seems most popular though as I've seen.

 

[Frostwraith]

I've seen Pit shipped with Palutena, Viridi, Dark Pit, Phosphora and even Magnus. The shippers are unstoppable.

Also, Waluigi Dog (or Wagluigi, like Golden said) for SSB4.