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[PsychoIncarnate]

Why does that Girahim Mega Man look like he soiled his pants?

Maybe that isn't the best color to use when everything else is white

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Why does that Girahim Mega Man look like he soiled his pants?

Maybe that isn't the best color to use when everything else is white

I think its supposed to be the color of his skin...

I think.....

 

[SmashChu]

The results are very interesting Shorts. I don't "like" post, but for this, I'll make an exception.

Goroh is a little surprising because you never hear about him. Good to know he's still liked.

EDIT: Ghirahim is a little interesting too. I didn't think he's still that popular. You gotta hand it to him. The other thing I noticed is there is a decent drop off from orange to yellow and then to green (likely why Roy is his own group). I think green characters are going to be the ones of most concern. Remember all those characters we were talking about towards the end of Brawl? Yeah, this time, it will be the green guys.

One last thing. It would be interesting to see where the Japanese players stand now. I'm sure it wont make a huge difference.

 

[Opossum]

Surprised at how high Goroh is. He must have the quietest fanbase of all popularly requested Smash Bros. characters. Its even more impressive within the context that that there has not been a F-Zero game in over eight years.

I can attest to that. My Goroh thread's been pretty slow, but has a good amount of supporters. And people thought Palutena supporters were quiet...

 

[Deleted member]

I think it may simply be that Goroh is "unquestionably" the choice for a F-Zero Newcomer outside Japan, meaning there isn't much to discuss about him that hasn't already been said.
I mean, with Ridley, you got the detractors that say he's too big or unimportant.
Goroh has none of the sort. There might be people that think F-Zero is unlikely to get a Newcomer, and some that think now's the perfect time for one, but they don't come to blows like the Ridley supporters and detractors.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Well, there is apparently the argument that Goroh would be a clone of Takamaru and he would only be included in the next game as such.

This little tidbit provided by our friend ChronoBound.

 

[Opossum]

Golden:

That's true. With Goroh, it's less of opposition toward him, but more skepticism towards the series getting a newcomer. It sort of sucks, too, because any F-Zero newcomer would more than likely, if not definitely, be an unlockable. Of course, that means that the wait to see him confirmed would only be longer...

Habanero:

Bah. Goroh really wouldn't even make sense as a Takamaru clone, provided we don't get a Ganondorf situation. However, considering Ganondorf's circumstances, I doubt that will happen again...

 

[Frostwraith]

Honestly, I don't believe in a new F-Zero rep, but it's nice to see that people still want a new character from the series.

I would prefer Black Shadow to Goroh, but I think Goroh is more likely than Black Shadow. Of course that the lack of recent F-Zero games isn't helping nor Goroh nor Black Shadow's chances...

 

[FalKoopa]

I'd prefer Goroh rather than Black Shadow. lol at Goroh being a Takamaru clone.

 

[N3ON]

Yeah, Goroh being a Takamaru clone isn't a very widely-accepted idea. The most I see similar between how the two would function is maybe a move or two. Other than having katanas, they really have very little in common. I mean, they could technically share a moveset, but it would really compromise the potential of both characters.

I also think it's a shame that Black Shadow has as much Japanese popularity as he does, because Goroh really is more iconic to his series, and deserves playability more than Black Shadow. I mean, I think Goroh would still be included over Black Shadow despite his popularity, but it doesn't help the already shaky chances of an F-Zero character to have such a popularity split (especially since Black Shadow's reasons for being so popular -in Japan at least- are pretty shallow (mostly because of his VA)). Personally I don't think we'll be seeing a new F-Zero character even though I believe Goroh merits it, just because F-Zero has been dormant a long time at this point, and if Miyamoto's recent comments are anything to go by, it still might be quite a while before we get a new one, if we get a new one.

 

[Deleted member]

@Frost: To be fair, Black Shadow still has a big following in Japan, bigger than Goroh. So it COULD still be him. Though Goroh would probably be the safer bet of the two.

@N3ON: Come now, that's not any more shallow than Roy's reasoning. I mean, if he didn't have T3H PH1R3, I doubt he would have been as popular as he is.
Besides, its not like that's all he has going for him. I mean, in the only non-anime related game to have anything remotely similar to a plot, he was a major antagonist (while being a lackey of Deathborn, but still...). So it's not like he doesn't hold his own merit.

 

[N3ON]

@N3ON: Come now, that's not any more shallow than Roy's reasoning. I mean, if he didn't have T3H PH1R3, I doubt he would have been as popular as he is.

IMO Roy's popularity mostly stems from the fact he was in Melee, which is also quite a shallow reason, but really, at least being popular for one of his abilities (PH1R3) is better than being popular for something that hardly even effects the character (not even their voice, but the person behind the voice). It's like that guy who a couple weeks back was saying Sora should get in so we could have his VA in the game (or something like that).

T3H PH1R3 might have helped Roy's popularity, I'd say moreso in the west, where we really don't know about Roy too much past his Melee appearance, where T3H PH1R3 was one of his clear defining points and something that differentiated him from Marth, but (especially in Japan) it's hardly mostly because of that, unlike Black Shadow, who's VA is mentioned nearly as often as he is in Japanese Smash discussions.

EDIT: Yeah, I agree he has much more going for him than his VA, but really it's not his role as antagonist that gets him popularity in Japan (well, not to any great extent), it's the VA. However, while he does have points in his favour, IMO Goroh still has more than he does. If he didn't have that VA, he would still have his other points to fall back on, but he wouldn't nearly have as much popularity, and Goroh would probably overtake him in Japan.

 

[FalKoopa]

Given Roy's popularity, I wonder why Fuuin no Tsurugi was never localized for the West.

 

[Deleted member]

You are forgetting that the same anime that had the voice, B. Shadow was given a plethora of powers and was a major villain with great character.
It's not like it's JUST the voice that matters, but what the voice entails. While it is true that Japan will eat anything up if it's Norio Wakamoto, the voice alone is never enough.
It's like Aku from Samurai Jack. While yes, the late great Mako did make him very popular with his quality acting, it was only a contributing factor. Aku had great character that complimented the acting (or maybe the other way around, I'm not sure). Same with anime B. Shadow.
This is why, even in media that Aku appears in since Mako's passing, Aku still remains popular; not because of Mako, but what Mako essentially "created".

 

[N3ON]

Given Roy's popularity, I wonder why Fuuin no Tsurugi was never localized for the West.

It was planned at one point, but Intelligent Systems had probably already moved on to developing FE7 by the time Marth and Roy really had their popularity impact in the west.

However Roy's popularity is the main reason why a FE6 remake keeps getting thrown around and supported by some of the people at IS, and it's likely (especially with Awakening's popularity - and Roy's appearances in the game and SMTxFE) that that game will get localized, if it ever materializes.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Roy's support is pretty shallow, honestly. The only reason why people give a crap is because the character was in Melee and was cut in Brawl. If Roy never appeared in Melee, nobody would really care about the character.

 

[N3ON]

You are forgetting that the same anime that had the voice, B. Shadow was given a plethora of powers and was a major villain with great character.
It's not like it's JUST the voice that matters, but what the voice entails. While it is true that Japan will eat anything up if it's Norio Wakamoto, the voice alone is never enough.
It's like Aku from Samurai Jack. While yes, the late great Mako did make him very popular with his quality acting, it was only a contributing factor. Aku had great character that complimented the acting (or maybe the other way around, I'm not sure). Same with anime B. Shadow.

I'm not saying the voice is all he has going for him. I dislike the fact that the voice is the reason he has most of his popularity in Japan. I agree he should be popular for reasons much better than what he sounds like, including all his powers which I agree would be interesting in Smash. All I'm saying is it's unfortunate that his popularity in Japan is in fact derived primarily from his VA (and it is, I've checked), and that it outmatches Goroh, who is, frankly, the better F-Zero choice (not that it means Black Shadow would get in over Goroh, just that he has more Japanese popularity).

 

[Deleted member]

EDIT: Yeah, I agree he has much more going for him than his VA, but really it's not his role as antagonist that gets him popularity in Japan (well, not to any great extent), it's the VA. However, while he does have points in his favour, IMO Goroh still has more than he does. If he didn't have that VA, he would still have his other points to fall back on, but he wouldn't nearly have as much popularity, and Goroh would probably overtake him in Japan.

Goroh honestly does not have much points to fall upon other than popularity, which for all we know, could have equally shallow reasoning. Like that old F-Zero comic that came with the original game....

Is he a major character in the series? The only thing he has is a backstory with Falcon, being his self-proclaimed rival. But then again, so does Black Shadow, who actively wants revenge on Falcon for thwarting his plans at world domination.

EDIT: Now that I think of it, I see F-Zero like WarioWare, in the sense that there is THE major character (Captain Falcon, Wario), a bunch of side characters, and a few characters that seem to be slightly above the rest (Goroh and B. Shadow, Jimmy T. and Mona).

I'm starting to wonder now if THAT'S why there hasn't been a F-Zero character other than Falcon....

 

[Swamp Sensei]

EDIT: Now that I think of it, I see F-Zero like WarioWare, in the sense that there is THE major character (Captain Falcon, Wario), a bunch of side characters, and a few characters that seem to be slightly above the rest (Goroh and B. Shadow, Jimmy T. and Mona).

I'm starting to wonder now if THAT'S why there hasn't been a F-Zero character other than Falcon....

Most likely. Although I would go even further and say that Falcon himself wasn't really seen as the main character until Smash.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Most likely. Although I would go even further and say that Falcon himself wasn't really seen as the main character until Smash.

Captain Falcon was always intended to be the main protagonist, or at least the franchises poster boy. In fact, there was even plans to make him the flagship character for the SNES.

 

[lobotheduck21]

I wouldn't mind an f-zero character, but I do think it's unlikely

 

[Deleted member]

Nah, I wouldn't go to those lengths, Swampy.
After all, the original F-Zero came with a comic that was centered around Falcon, and as Habanero said, he was meant to be the flagship character for the SNES.

 

[IAm2Sarcastic4U]

Roy's support is pretty shallow, honestly. The only reason why people give a crap is because the character was in Melee and was cut in Brawl. If Roy never appeared in Melee, nobody would really care about the character.

the truth has been spoken

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

His design as a mercenary in Awakening is pretty cool.

It would have been cooler if they designed him as a hero though

 

[Shorts]

The results are very interesting Shorts. I don't "like" post, but for this, I'll make an exception.

Goroh is a little surprising because you never hear about him. Good to know he's still liked.

Shanks :3

EDIT: Ghirahim is a little interesting too. I didn't think he's still that popular. You gotta hand it to him. The other thing I noticed is there is a decent drop off from orange to yellow and then to green (likely why Roy is his own group). I think green characters are going to be the ones of most concern. Remember all those characters we were talking about towards the end of Brawl? Yeah, this time, it will be the green guys.

One last thing. It would be interesting to see where the Japanese players stand now. I'm sure it wont make a huge difference.

So you're thinkin' Brawl era characters have a decent shot this time around? Any green characters in particular Chu?

Yeah, I figure Ghirahim will be the next Midna. His fanbase will last for a while.



Also, had the first person over at Reddit mention Mona~

ALSOALSO, I'll be at 350 within a few hours.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

The red characters are characters I want, the orange characters are all characters I don't want.

 

[ChronoBound]

It was planned at one point, but Intelligent Systems had probably already moved on to developing FE7 by the time Marth and Roy really had their popularity impact in the west.

However Roy's popularity is the main reason why a FE6 remake keeps getting thrown around and supported by some of the people at IS, and it's likely (especially with Awakening's popularity - and Roy's appearances in the game and SMTxFE) that that game will get localized, if it ever materializes.

I think the FE6 remake will definitely happen if Roy returns for Smash 4. I am not sure if there still exists two Fire Emblem teams (there was a team that made FE9/FE10, while another team made FE8/FE11/FE12), but if the latter one still exists, I imagine they will be the ones to develop it.

 

[Moon Monkey]

I Just hope if they do remake FE6 (Haven't Played it yet) they don't hand out clutch weapons so easily like they do in Awkening.

 

[peeup]

They should make a Fire Emblem fighting game #Dissidia

 

[Supermario12]

What about game freaks new IP? Harmon Knight, he could be a character. However I not sure of the main characters name yet. He's the one with the Music Note for a Sword

 

[ClinkStryphart]

A character that they could easily implement and make him unique as a sword user could be Shulk for Xenoblade chronicles. Not only would it hype up for his appearance in smash setting but it could also beef up the already hyped trailer from Monolith Softs new "X'' game for the Wii U. But then again I could see Chrom being added as a representation for FE:Awakening and also not to mention the new Crossover game Shin megami Tensai X Fire Emblem.

I really do hope that roy makes a return though his Awakening character just looks badass.

 

[~automatic]

EDIT: Now that I think of it, I see F-Zero like WarioWare, in the sense that there is THE major character (Captain Falcon, Wario), a bunch of side characters, and a few characters that seem to be slightly above the rest (Goroh and B. Shadow, Jimmy T. and Mona).

I'm starting to wonder now if THAT'S why there hasn't been a F-Zero character other than Falcon....

Yup, it's just Captain Falcon and 41 other characters who are just there until they have some remote interaction with Falcon. The F-Zero universe is pretty cool and surprisingly large (I've read all the character bios in X and GX, lmao) but there really hasn't been much of a story which is sad considering that the series has some very interesting characters and events.

And yes, some characters are a bit more important than others due to their interactions with CF in the stories. Too bad that GX's story mode was hardly a story (albeit, it was a great series of in game challenges) and the comic that came with SNES copies of F-Zero shows Goroh as a Psy lookalike who is late for everything.

 

[N3ON]

What about game freaks new IP? Harmon Knight, he could be a character. However I not sure of the main characters name yet. He's the one with the Music Note for a Sword

It might get an AT, like Drill Dozer did, but it wouldn't get more than that. Honestly an AT might even be more than it ends up getting. Possibly just a trophy or a sticker.
The main character's name is Tempo BTW.

 

[Shorts]

Anyone wanna make a group roster? I figure, we can start with a big ol' roster, and widdle them down with a voting system until we've hit the amount of characters we think is good? If anyone's interested (or bored enough) tell me yo.

 

[Croph]

Yup, it's just Captain Falcon and 41 other characters who are just there until they have some remote interaction with Falcon. The F-Zero universe is pretty cool and surprisingly large (I've read all the character bios in X and GX, lmao) but there really hasn't been much of a story which is sad considering that the series has some very interesting characters and events.

And yes, some characters are a bit more important than others due to their interactions with CF in the stories. Too bad that GX's story mode was hardly a story (albeit, it was a great series of in game challenges) and the comic that came with SNES copies of F-Zero shows Goroh as a Psy lookalike who is late for everything.

I really wish they would extend the story of the F-Zero universe when given the chance. There's so many cool and wacky characters that I'd love to see Captain Falcon interact with them. I always raced as Beastman, he's so beast. And dat Hyper Speeder. HYPER SPEEDER! When I was younger, I always used to call it "Sharky" because I always thought it looked kinda like a shark.


And the group roster sounds cool. I'm bored enough anyway lol.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Anyone wanna make a group roster? I figure, we can start with a big ol' roster, and widdle them down with a voting system until we've hit the amount of characters we think is good? If anyone's interested (or bored enough) tell me yo.

Sounds like a good plan. What's the first step?

 

[Jakor]

Sounds like a good plan. What's the first step?

Wait until I upload the version 4.0 of the Roster Maker.

Unless you wanna start it right away, I'm not holding you.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Anyone wanna make a group roster? I figure, we can start with a big ol' roster, and widdle them down with a voting system until we've hit the amount of characters we think is good? If anyone's interested (or bored enough) tell me yo.

It's going to be ****.

/topic

 

[Shorts]

Wait until I upload the version 4.0 of the Roster Maker.

Unless you wanna start it right away, I'm not holding you.

When are you uploading it? And we can wait, I really don't mind.

Pretty much though, the game will go like this. We have a big old roster, we post who we want to cut (And why, if you'd like). Then, the characters with a bunch of votes will get cut, and the ones with less votes we can actually discuss.

SO, if lets say:
Rosalina - 10 votes
Bandana Dee - 5 votes
Ryu - 8 votes
Pikachu - 1 vote

We would cut Ryu and Rosalina, and discuss Pikachu and Bandana dee. I guess if someone you like a lot gets cut, you can try and bring them back by making a good enough argument. I'll count the votes and do the cutting in terms of remaking the roster each time. But I really want this to be a GROUP roster. And this isn't a PREDICTION roster. It's just what we WANT. They are different.

If character rosters bore you, we could always move to the stage section and do a group stage roster? That could be interesting.

 

[Jakor]

When are you uploading it? And we can wait, I really don't mind.

Well, if you are willing to wait two or three more hours, then fine. I'm putting final touches on the version 4.0 and making sure there are no bugs or whatever.

There really isn't much work left to do on it, but I'm going to eat soon, and there are guests for the supper tonight.