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The only real weakness the GCN had was that its platformer franchises (Mario, Kirby, and DK) had rather weak installments for it.

Not everyone hates Sunshine.

Everyone hates DK Bongobeats, or whatever that game was called.

 

[ChronoBound]

Not everyone hates Sunshine.

Sunshine was never bad. Its an extremely good platformer. Its just that its not "best game of all time" caliber like most of the other Mario platformers.

 

[Frostwraith]

What we could call "classic gaming" is all moving to PCs. Consoles have to bring something new, if they want to continue to exist, because that's the only way they will distinguish from PC gaming.

Should they compete with PCs directly... nowadays, they flop.

 

[FlareHabanero]

DK Jungle Beat wasn't half bad from what I remember, but it's been forever since I've played that game. It's not perfect, but I remember having fun with it enough.

 

[Deleted member]

The GameCube was less slightly less powerful than the X-Box (though I think GCN RE4 may have been the best looking game from that generation). However, I do concur that it was massively underrated. It had all of my favorite games from that generation. Smash Bros. Melee, Metroid Prime, RE4, F-Zero GX, and Wind Waker were all among the best games of all time for me.

There were also a lot of other superb games for it like Prime 2, Paper Mario 2, Pikmin 1 and 2, FE9, and Twilight Princess.

The only real weakness the GCN had was that its platformer franchises (Mario, Kirby, and DK) had rather weak installments for it.

I never confirmed it myself as I never cared enough, but I've heard people say both things that the GCN was the most powerful, and that the Xbox was the most powerful. Games looked nicer on the GCN imo, but Xbox had a lot of power. Perhaps the GCN had a better GPU and the Xbox a better CPU, that makes sense to me at least.

I agree on the GCN being underrated though, though I think Sunshine was great. It's the most challenging 3D Mario to date, I think that merits a lot of respect. It's one of my favorites too.

Never played the DK game though.

 

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Went into all of my local thrift and used game stores and they're all sold of most Gamecube games. I actually saw a store keeper turn away several customers looking for stuff like Sunshine. All of the PS2 and Xbox games are on sale, but stuff like FE9, Double Dash, and Melee are equal in price to several new Wii/PS3/360 games.

Which is kinda a bummer, since I was planning on buying some new games to take back to my dorm with me after break...

Speaking of the GC, it's rather funny to see just how much of a necessity it is for a console to support used games and have backwards compatibility these days.

 

[FlareHabanero]

In my opinion, the Gamecube controller was probably the best controller for any of the consoles. People may argue the Playstation controllers are better, but for some reason the whole "Circle, Square, X, and Triangle" and duel L and R buttons throw me off.

 

[lobotheduck21]

Not to mention GameCube is freakin durable

Never really got into anime, superhero shows however I love to watch, (batman: tas is one of the best shoes period)

 

[ChronoBound]

Went into all of my local thrift and used game stores and they're all sold of most Gamecube games. I actually saw a store keeper turn away several customers looking for stuff like Sunshine. All of the PS2 and Xbox games are on sale, but stuff like FE9, Double Dash, and Melee are equal in price to several new Wii/PS3/360 games.
y.

I recently re-bought Double Dash, and I was surprised at how much a used copy for it was (nearly $30) considering it was the second highest selling game on the GameCube.

I heard FE9 is actually very expensive nowadays. Makes me glad I bought a sealed copy that was on clearance for $15 back in 2006.

 

[Frostwraith]

@Habanero: couldn't agree more. I still play Brawl using a GCN controller.

Something about that controller makes it different (in a positive way) from the other controllers. The unusual button placement ends up working wonderfully in many kinds of games.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I heard FE9 is actually very expensive nowadays. Makes me glad I bought a sealed copy that was on clearance for $15 back in 2006.

Yeah, it's like $70 on Amazon. Think it has anything to do with Awakenings success?

 

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I recently re-bought Double Dash, and I was surprised at how much a used copy for it was (nearly $30) considering it was the second highest selling game on the GameCube.

I heard FE9 is actually very expensive nowadays. Makes me glad I bought a sealed copy that was on clearance for $15 back in 2006.

$30? My local stores were selling it for $40. Also saw a sealed copy of FE9 at one store too, it was going for $70.

 

[SmashChu]

Found some papers from 2003. My how much gaming communities have changed. Back in 2003, GameFAQs was mostly Nintendo and Square fanboys. Nowadays, Square fans are basically absent, and Nintendo fans are a shrinking minority.

I have also noticed there are far more Sony fanboys than there used to be. My theory is that all the kids that grew up on the PS2 are now all finally posting on game forums.

Going back to 2003 pertaining to Smash Bros., the only character that I wanted for Smash Bros. back then that is still not in now, is solely Ridley

I think part of the problem is also Nintendo losing fans because of their games. Nintendo use to have a focus on quality. Now, Nintendo's goal is to please their developers. Yamauchi was a businessman and cared about the sales, which meant pleasing fans. He called the NES a "box to play Mario on." There was a strong sense of quality and a lot of good will was built up. This good will is the reason Nintendo could survive after the Gamecube, but it has since be squandered. Iwata is a developer first, not a businessman. As such, fiscal results aren't as important to him but ideological ones are. Iwata started in 2002 and since then, Nintendo has made a ton of little devices from the GBA cable, the E-reader to the Wii U Game Pad and AR of now. All for the idea of innovation. In addition, he sympathies with developers and usually takes their side. Yamauchi pushed his developers (and Rare) very hard to make results. Iwata wan't the developers to be happy. He has also tried to make more "game gods" like Miyamoto. This is why games like Other M and Anouma Zeldas keep getting made (while some may say "I like Anouma Zelda," wouldn't you like more Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past more?) The reason the Wii and the DS were successful was that Nintendo looked to business text: Blue Ocean Strategy and The Innovators Dilemma. Nintendo has said they no longer follow those text and, as such, their financial health is declining. The company is in very bad shape. It's only now Iwata is taking about fiscal results, but I expect he'll get canned very soon, especially if the PS4 or 720 start outselling them. Of course, this will be great for us because it means we are in charge, not Anouma or Sakamoto.

 

[ChronoBound]

Yeah, it's like $70 on Amazon. Think it has anything to do with Awakenings success?

More like Ike's popularity from Brawl I would think.

 

[Shorts]

Random note: How's the SmashReddit/NintendoReddit scene?

Just dropped a poll off there, and was wondering if anyone knows much about that place and Smash/Ninty sections?

 

[Moon Monkey]

Speaking of Double Dash I hope character specific power-ups return for the Wiiu version.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Speaking of Double Dash I hope character specific power-ups return for the Wiiu version.

I hope they revive the Double Dash gimmick. That sh*t was fun as hell.

 

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Yeah, it's like $70 on Amazon. Think it has anything to do with Awakenings success?

Probably:
FE7: $45
FE8: $30
FE10: $65
FE11: $42

Though I think most thrift/used game stores sell them for less.

EDIT: Just looked, they're sell for similar amounts on Ebay.

More like Ike's popularity from Brawl I would think.

Ike Confirmed.

 

[Deleted member]

In my opinion, the Gamecube controller was probably the best controller for any of the consoles. People may argue the Playstation controllers are better, but for some reason the whole "Circle, Square, X, and Triangle" and duel L and R buttons throw me off.

It wasn't perfect, but it was damn good.

The button placements were brilliant, and the Triggers were the best on any console ever. It was also a perfect size and incredibly comfy, also the colors were very attractive.

The downsides would be the Dpad for starters, the best Dpad belongs to the SNES, it's strange Nintendo wouldn't capitalize that for the GCN considering they OWN the patent for it. The C-stick could have used a bit more work, and the Main stick wore out too quickly (especially with Smash Bros Melee) and was much less sturdy compared to other sticks in newer consoles, I think the best sticks are on the PS3 tbh. The Z button bumper was also weak, and the fact that there was only one was bad. Last problem was the cable length, but that's not too big a deal.

Despite those flaws, I still think it's one of the best controllers in any console to date. I haven't held a WiiU pro yet, but from what I hear, it might be possible it could best the GCN controller. Except for the triggers which are not analog. Dunno, WiiU Pro, with the GCN button placement, and Analog triggers might be the ultimate controller.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I haven't held a WiiU pro yet, but from what I hear, it might be possible it could best the GCN controller. Except for the triggers which are not analog..

Yeah, that was a big derp from Nintendo. It also basically confirms for me that a Gamecube VC isn't happening any time soon.

 

[Big-Cat]

More like Ike's popularity from Brawl I would think.

Wasn't it also a game that came out late in the Gamecube's lifespan? That would give the game a limited print run.

My only complaints about the GC Controller were the small D-Pad, odd C-Stick, it was missing one shoulder button, and that the buttons, while incredible for single inputs may not have been the best for multi-button inputs.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Games in general that come out late tend to sell poorly, mainly due to the hype of new stuff coming along and spoiling everything. The only exception to this rule I can think off the top of my head would be Pokemon Red/Blue.

 

[Big-Cat]

Red and Blue also had the benefit of being compatible with the later Gameboy Color and GBA. In fact, you kind of had a bonus for playing the Gen 1 games on a GBC with the different colors per city. In other words, Red/Blue was able to make more than the best out of an awkward situation.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Dude WHAT?!! Jump Ultimate Stars was fun as **** (though broken)...



I just ran a search for it, looks kinda neat, picking up the PS3 version for sure, which reminds me, it really is a shame the 3DS and WiiU are ****ing region locked. Why does Nintendo do that **** man...? So many J-only titles that look awesome on those consoles.

Anyway, on Project Versus J, it's nice to see Toriko take the spotlight from Nurutu, any chance we'll see Medaka Box characters as well? I wonder... I wanna see many faces, but I hope they don't go overboard like the the Jump Stars series. Some Jojo characters would be cool too.

Speaking of which, there's that Jojo fighter coming out soon, it look ****ing RADICAL!

Oh, and that DBZ movie... I'm actually kinda excited for it, it's nice to see Goku and the gang come back in something made by Toriyama himself, even if story-wise it'll be complete bull****. How long till DBZ goes the Superman route and we get tons of reboots and canon side stories by people other than Toriyama...

Anyway, 2013 is shaping up to be an awesome year it seems.

It was nice to hear your opinion, but you may want to discuss it here. http://www.smashboards.com/threads/333711/#post-15304032

On the topic of the Gamecube, I agree that it was perfect in terms of the best controller and third party support. The best Mario Party titles were on there, the last good Resident Evil game was around, there were many underrated Nintendo published games that I loved, and it introduced me to the Super Smash Bros. franchise. I'll always have many fond memories of that console.

 

[PSIguy89]

I personally think the Gamecube had some of the best games on it! (tied with the SNES) one reason for that is, the GC didnt rely on a "gimic" shall we say, like motion controls. I still think *most* first party titles for the Wii worked just fine, but many others suffered because they tried too hard to work in (sloppy) motion controls. does anyone else agree with me on this? i was thinking about it the last few days wondering why i found myself loving many more GC games than Wii games. Im hoping the WiiU doesnt follow the exact footsteps of the Wii. if that makes anysense lol

 

[Deleted member]

Red and Blue also had the benefit of being compatible with the later Gameboy Color and GBA. In fact, you kind of had a bonus for playing the Gen 1 games on a GBC with the different colors per city. In other words, Red/Blue was able to make more than the best out of an awkward situation.

I don't remember Red/Blue being able to do that.
I vaguely remember the Red version defaulting to the GBC's red filter for color and the Blue version defaulting to the blue filter, while you can change the color filter used by fiddling with the control pad when you turn on the GBC before the game boots up.

 

[Big-Cat]

I knew Yellow did it so I assumed the others did too.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Remember when this was a thread about discussing the roster?

Yes, and I know how to bring it back.

Lets talk about powers Mega-Man can get from other characters

 

[Big-Cat]

Dude, use the spoiler tags.

 

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Ridley [ Metroid] 145
Mewtwo [Pokemon] 142
King K. Rool [Donkey Kong] 139
Megaman [Capcom] 135
Little Mac [Punch Out] 118
Palutena [Kid Icarus] 110
Isaac [Golden Sun] 105
Shulk [Xenoblade] 102
Takamaru [Murasame Castle] 94
Roy [Fire Emblem] 73
Ghirahim [Legend Of Zelda] 68
Samurai Goroh [F-Zero] 62
Krom [Fire Emblem] 60
Waluigi [Super Mario] 59
Saki [Sin & Punishment] 59
Dixie Kong [Donkey Kong] 58
Bowser Junior [Super Mario] 56
Zoroark [Pokemon] 54
Pac - Man [Namco] 53
Toad [Super Mario] 52
Krystal [StarFox] 52
Geno [Square Enix] 47
Black Shadow [F-Zero] 34
Mona [WarioWare] 32
Bandana Dee [Kirby] 31

I've noticed something with my poll results. There seems to be almost three (Maybe even four) different groupings. The first grouping is the extremely populars. There is few of them, and they have a good amount more votes than most characters. If you notice, most of the extremely popular characters are those characters "That should have been in brawl". The ones that "complete" certain franchises in some peoples eyes. The next grouping would be characters who aren't QUITE as OMGOMG like Mewtwo, K. Rool, Megaman, and Ridley, but they're still Pretty Popular. They hail from smaller franchises (Taka, Mac, Isaac), or are more recently created/re-popularized (Pal, Shulk). The third catagory is just the other 10 characters people disagree on generally. They're not AS important to their franchises (Junior, Krystal, Ghirahim), or they have more popular characters from their franchises ahead of them (Krom, Zoroark). The Decently Popular are filled with those characters we all would be more suprised to see added (In a good way though, for the most part. The fourth possible position is the one ROY is in. Oddly enough, he's inbetween Pretty Popular, and Decently popular. (Dumb names I know, but whatevs) WHAT DOES THIS MEAN AND WHO CARES!? You may be asking, well. I don't know who cares, but I'm confident we will see ALL-MOST of the extremely popular characters added, MOST-HALF of the pretty popular characters added, and A FEW of the decently popular characters added. /ramble

 

[Opossum]

Honestly, I'm actually surprised that Mona came ahead of Bandanna Dee more than anything...

Is this for your most recent poll?

 

[Shorts]

Well, she only beat him by like, two votes. So take the numerical rankings with a big ol' chunk of salt. But the groupings give a better feel for popularity. And yeah it is. I tapped into reddit a few hours ago. Got the votes FLOWIN' in. It's nice to hear opinions from people other than you guys (no offense) because most redditors just LIKE SMASH, not smash spec.

Still bummed I don't have more slots. Even just five more, I would be so much happier. Oh well, these results are from Smashboards, Reddit, NeoGAF, and Nsider2 so they have a good range of communites, plus NO DOUBLE VOTES. Which is a sweet sweet comfort.

 

[Opossum]

What exactly do you mean? Like, as in, five more characters for the poll?

I dunno. I think I'm just not reading the post correctly. Late, and all.

 

[Shorts]

What exactly do you mean? Like, as in, five more characters for the poll?

I dunno. I think I'm just not reading the post correctly. Late, and all.

Yussir. I would add Starfy, Nook, Masked Man, Miis, and probably Layton

 

[Opossum]

Ah, okay. It seems I was right.

But yeah, those seem like pretty solid choices for the next five. Everyone else of note is on there. The only thing I would probably suggest is maybe to put Paper Mario on over Nook or Masked Man. Just my call, but to each his own.

 

[Shorts]

Ah, okay. It seems I was right.

But yeah, those seem like pretty solid choices for the next five. Everyone else of note is on there. The only thing I would probably suggest is maybe to put Paper Mario on over Nook or Masked Man. Just my call, but to each his own.

Someone actually asked for Paper Mario. I find it hard to give Mario four characters while not giving Earthbound or AC one. Honestly I forgot how many people love AC. It was a silly mistake to leave an AC character off the list. Grr.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Someone actually asked for Paper Mario. I find it hard to give Mario four characters while not giving Earthbound or AC one. Honestly I forgot how many people love AC. It was a silly mistake to leave an AC character off the list. Grr.

Shortie. If I may ask... were there any characters who were hated?

 

[ChronoBound]

Surprised at how high Goroh is. He must have the quietest fanbase of all popularly requested Smash Bros. characters. Its even more impressive within the context that that there has not been a F-Zero game in over eight years.

 

[Big-Cat]

Someone actually asked for Paper Mario. I find it hard to give Mario four characters while not giving Earthbound or AC one. Honestly I forgot how many people love AC. It was a silly mistake to leave an AC character off the list. Grr.

Yes, I was rather disappointed to see Mr. Nook off the list.

 

[Shorts]

Shortie. If I may ask... were there any characters who were hated?

No one has said anything negative about character choices. One guy asked me what I thought Toad could do. So I listed off everything I thought. But other than the "Why no insert character!??!?!" no negative comments, yet.

Surprised at how high Goroh is. He must have the quietest fanbase of all popularly requested Smash Bros. characters. Its even more impressive within the context that that there has not been a F-Zero game in over eight years.

If it wasn't for that fact, I would imagine he would be Palutena status. I'm suprised by Ghirahim. Him and Roy are leading the pack of "Decently Popular" characters.

Yes, I was rather disappointed to see Mr. Nook off the list.

It's such a dumb mistake in hindsight. I forget how big that series really is.