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Apparently there is a topic "Why is Ridley not popular anymore" at gamefaqs....

Is Ridley not a popular choice anywhere but here?
It's not that he's not popular, just that most of what needs to have been said about him has already been said. Having read through that thread, most (reasonable) people there seem to agree with me. The rest are just idiots/Ridley haters.
 

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I finally found these two articles, I didn't know if you guys have already read or not. (Probably have) BUT, if you haven't, theyll change your perspective on character inclusion for sure.

Existing characters in Smash Bros "Will have lots of new moves"

This to me, either means: 1. Sakurai is adding MORE MOVES (Yay!) or, clones are being decloned and non clones are in general being revamped so not so many moves are useless competitively (Yay!)

Sakurai plans to bring back past characters from older installments of Smash

Mewtwo, Young Link, Roy, Pichu, Doc?


Version 4.0 of the Roster Maker is coming soon..
Whhhheeeeeennnnn!?
 

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I finally found these two articles, I didn't know if you guys have already read or not. (Probably have) BUT, if you haven't, theyll change your perspective on character inclusion for sure.

Existing characters in Smash Bros "Will have lots of new moves"

This to me, either means: 1. Sakurai is adding MORE MOVES (Yay!) or, clones are being decloned and non clones are in general being revamped so not so many moves are useless competitively (Yay!)

Sakurai plans to bring back past characters from older installments of Smash

Mewtwo, Young Link, Roy, Pichu, Doc?
Yeah, we've known about those articles for a while, but both of them are mistranslations or mis-interpretations. The actual translation to the first is that Sakurai was having fun creating new moves for new characters, not new moves for all characters (though I'm guessing we will get new moves for all characters, but that's not what Sakurai actually said). The second article Sakurai was referencing bringing back old Nintendo characters like he previously did with Pit and Ice Climbers, not characters previously playable and cut from Smash. The article didn't really use that quote in its correct context.
 

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Sakurai's comment about Ridley in the article posted earlier tended to indicate he could not make Ridley playable because the design he made (apparently they have tried) was too slow and clumsy to even be a competitive fighter.
 

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Sakurai's comment about Ridley in the article posted earlier tended to indicate he could not make Ridley playable because the design he made (apparently they have tried) was too slow and clumsy to even be a competitive fighter.
No, he said that it could be done, but it would be difficult and Ridley would probably be slow. He said nothing about being too slow.

People are grasping at straws for reasons Ridley won't be in Smash, and it's just sad.
 

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I want Ridley to be there lol. Please calm down. I don't think there are many people opposed to him. Someone just stated he wasn't popular and that is likely why. Metroid, despite not being the biggest franchise, is definitely still a strong franchise and is underrepresented in Smash. Ridley is the obvious #2 character from Metroid.
 

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I want Ridley to be there lol. Please calm down. I don't think there are many people opposed to him. Someone just stated he wasn't popular and that is likely why. Metroid, despite not being the biggest franchise, is definitely still a strong franchise and is underrepresented in Smash. Ridley is the obvious #2 character from Metroid.
Rdiley is popular. People are just
a)Tired of talking about him.
b)Confident enough is his chances that they don't feel the need to shove him down other peoples throats.

And it's not just you pulling bullsh*t against him. You have the "too big" people, the "he's a boss people", and others. That's also partially why people are tired of talking about him, because the same bullsh*t arguments against him tend to show up over and over.
 

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You do realize, if it wasn't for that interview, Ridley WOULD NOT be playable in Smash4. Sakurai obviously thought he was better as a NPC (He was an AT at one point) than a playable character. That interview seems liek the first time he had heard about the massive Ridley fanbase. So, take a chill pill. When people bring up concerns about Ridley being playable, realize Sakurai himself has had these concerns for a while, and hey, he still might!
 

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Sakurai obviously thought he was better as a NPC (He was an AT at one point) than a playable character.
Or he wasn't able to include him as a playable character, so he made him an NPC because it was the best he could do.

That interview seems liek the first time he had heard about the massive Ridley fanbase.
I never got that out of the interview. Seems to me like he already knew(hence why Ridley got not one, but TWO boss fights in SSE).

So, take a chill pill. When people bring up concerns about Ridley being playable, realize Sakurai himself has had these concerns for a while, and hey, he still might!
That doesn't stop most of the concerns from being really dumb.
 

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I'll break his response down into two parts. The first being the innitial reaction:

I think that would be pretty impossible -laughs-

To me, this sounds like his views on Ridley (for some reason) are that he's unplayable material only. However, his tone seems to change after the initial laugh is over. He says:

We may have been able to do it, but he might have been a little slow, is that alright? -laughs again-

This second sentence really is the reason I'm hopeful for Ridley. He's almost completely changed his tune about Ridley. He went from saying it's impossible, to asking if a slow playable Ridley is alright. Now, regardless of WHY he changed his tune, he now knows that fans take a playable Ridley seriously, and, he seems to be willing to try it. Without this interview, we would have virtually no insight into how Sakurai feels about Ridley, other than making him: A Background graphic, a villian in the intro, and a Boss/AT.
 
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Those chumps are already in Project Versus J, the supposed successor of the Jump Stars games. It is a Sony exclusive since Nintendo didn't want to help them with publishment this time around. :troll:
Dude WHAT?!! Jump Ultimate Stars was fun as **** (though broken)...



I just ran a search for it, looks kinda neat, picking up the PS3 version for sure, which reminds me, it really is a shame the 3DS and WiiU are ****ing region locked. Why does Nintendo do that **** man...? So many J-only titles that look awesome on those consoles.

Anyway, on Project Versus J, it's nice to see Toriko take the spotlight from Nurutu, any chance we'll see Medaka Box characters as well? I wonder... I wanna see many faces, but I hope they don't go overboard like the the Jump Stars series. Some Jojo characters would be cool too.

Speaking of which, there's that Jojo fighter coming out soon, it look ****ing RADICAL!

Oh, and that DBZ movie... I'm actually kinda excited for it, it's nice to see Goku and the gang come back in something made by Toriyama himself, even if story-wise it'll be complete bull****. How long till DBZ goes the Superman route and we get tons of reboots and canon side stories by people other than Toriyama...

Anyway, 2013 is shaping up to be an awesome year it seems.
 

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You know, I really do hope that Ness and Yoshi get improved recovery options. This is mainly because both suffer from some really severe gimp problems that make them very vulnerable. Though that's not the only problem ether suffer from, but it would be an improvement. Other improvements would be removing the 10 frame lag when grabbed released for Ness (by extension Lucas too), and giving Yoshi the ability to jump out of his shield.
 

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Found some papers from 2003. My how much gaming communities have changed. Back in 2003, GameFAQs was mostly Nintendo and Square fanboys. Nowadays, Square fans are basically absent, and Nintendo fans are a shrinking minority.

I have also noticed there are far more Sony fanboys than there used to be. My theory is that all the kids that grew up on the PS2 are now all finally posting on game forums.

Going back to 2003 pertaining to Smash Bros., the only character that I wanted for Smash Bros. back then that is still not in now, is solely Ridley
 

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Found some papers from 2003. My how much gaming communities have changed. Back in 2003, GameFAQs was mostly Nintendo and Square fanboys. Nowadays, Square fans are basically absent, and Nintendo fans are a shrinking minority.

I have also noticed there are far more Sony fanboys than there used to be. My theory is that all the kids that grew up on the PS2 are now all finally posting on game forums.

Going back to 2003 pertaining to Smash Bros., the only character that I wanted for Smash Bros. back then that is still not in now, is solely Ridley
If I may ask, any new new from Japan?
 

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The only thing new is that they are doubting Zoroark due to Mewtwo being in the new movie. That's about it.
Interesting. I would imagine the Mewtwo's support has risen even more because of this. Is that correct?
 

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Interesting. I would imagine the Mewtwo's support has risen even more because of this. Is that correct?
Mewtwo is probably the single most wanted character in Japan. All the movie announcement did is make the Mewtwo fans there feel that his chances of coming back are much better.
 

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So yea, about the whole "Genesect support growing" thing mentioned a long while back. It doesn't really seem to be the case that such a Pokemon is gaining support, despite the fact that there is a movie and a story arc of sorts focusing on the Red Genesect.
 

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So yea, about the whole "Genesect support growing" thing mentioned a long while back. It doesn't really seem to be the case that such a Pokemon is gaining support, despite the fact that there is a movie and a story arc of sorts focusing on the Red Genesect.
I think what took the winds out of Genesect's sails was Pokemon X/Y being announced and now having to co-star in a movie with Mewtwo.
 

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I think what took the winds out of Genesect's sails was Pokemon X/Y being announced and now having to co-star in a movie with Mewtwo.
That took the wind out of every Pokemon besides Zoroark. Who's not doing too hot anyhow.

I wonder if Gen 5 will get **** on in SSB4 in terms of reps like Gen 3 did in Brawl?
 

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Is it depressing that I find the idea of Plusle and Minun to be the most appealing thing in terms of Pokemon reps? I don't even like those two.
 

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No one commented on my observation that there are far more Sony fanboys running around than there used to be.

Everywhere I go, I see a lot of Nintendo bashing and a lot praise/hype for Sony.

I said it before I think its mostly due to all the kids who grew up on PS2 are now posting on gaming specific forums, and a lot of the people that grew up on the NES/SNES/N64 are beginning to leave gaming/stop posting on forums.
 

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Is it depressing that I find the idea of Plusle and Minun to be the most appealing thing in terms of Pokemon reps? I don't even like those two.
Deoxys? Third Gen Trainer? Iunno. That's about it imo.
 

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Well it's mainly from a gameplay prospective. It might not sound much, but a duo character that could basically charge each other up to increase the power of attacks could be an interesting take on how a duo would work.

If we're going with more unrealistic possibilities, then it probably would be Blaziken.
 
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Ha, hahahaha, the references there are LAYERS deep. Nice one.

No one commented on my observation that there are far more Sony fanboys running around than there used to be.

Everywhere I go, I see a lot of Nintendo bashing and a lot praise/hype for Sony.

I said it before I think its mostly due to all the kids who grew up on PS2 are now posting on gaming specific forums, and a lot of the people that grew up on the NES/SNES/N64 are beginning to leave gaming/stop posting on forums.

QFT, here, this might give you a breath of sanity amidst all the Sony fanboyism were experiencing these days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FniEu5VuOO0

Doesn't praise Nintendo himself, but provides a rational point of view worth noting. One the fanboys are too blind to see.
 

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I think the next console generation is going to be a contraction compared to the previous one (as in less home consoles will be sold). The only reason this generation was not a contraction was due to the Wii.

Although the Nintendo 64 sold less overall compared to the Super Nintendo, in North America, it sold on par with the SNES, which is probably why we still saw a lot of Nintendo fans during the last decade (since there was just as many people who had a N64 as a SNES). By comparison, the GameCube only sold a little above half of what the N64 sold in North America.
 

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Mind you that we also have the economy to worry about. I'm not getting a Wii U until I have a steady income and that there are games I want, but a rumored price drop is nice. The Wii was also the IT thing for quite some time and no console appears to have this charm.
 

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One contribution to the down peg of consoles as a whole is the rise of PC's from stuff like emulation and Steam. Also the economy being down the crapper is not doing any favors.
 
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I think the next console generation is going to be a contraction compared to the previous one (as in less home consoles will be sold). The only reason this generation was not a contraction was due to the Wii.

Although the Nintendo 64 sold less overall compared to the Super Nintendo, in North America, it sold on par with the SNES, which is probably why we still saw a lot of Nintendo fans during the last decade (since there was just as many people who had a N64 as a SNES). By comparison, the GameCube only sold a little above half of what the N64 sold in North America.
It's ironic though, the Gamecube was a fantastic console, the most powerful of the 6th Generation and with an amazing library, and one of Nintendo's best.


One contribution to the down peg of consoles as a whole is the rise of PC's from stuff like emulation and Steam. Also the economy being down the crapper is not doing any favors.
This so much, many people are hopping over to PCs thanks to Steam, and devs will always follow the largest install base. Consoles in a way are dying, and the only way to survive is to NOT compete with PC, but Sony is being stubborn and doing PRECISELY that. The WiiU will survive because of the tablet, Xbox will survive because of Kinnect, but Sony is doing everything it can to be a SUPERCHARGED PC, buzzwords and empty promises will only take you so far.
 

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It's ironic though, the Gamecube was a fantastic console, the most powerful of the 6th Generation and with an amazing library, and one of Nintendo's best.
The GameCube was less slightly less powerful than the X-Box (though I think GCN RE4 may have been the best looking game from that generation). However, I do concur that it was massively underrated. It had all of my favorite games from that generation. Smash Bros. Melee, Metroid Prime, RE4, F-Zero GX, and Wind Waker were all among the best games of all time for me.

There were also a lot of other superb games for it like Prime 2, Paper Mario 2, Pikmin 1 and 2, FE9, and Twilight Princess.

The only real weakness the GCN had was that its platformer franchises (Mario, Kirby, and DK) had rather weak installments for it.
 
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