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[Frostwraith]

Even Dark Pit or Dark Samus could be totally different characters from Pit and Samus, especially when you remember of the huge number of weapons in Uprising for the first case and when you consider that Dark Samus is a mutant Metroid...

Now that I think of it... Dark Pit's role in Uprising was very similar to Shadow's role in Sonic Adventure 2... both starting as enemies, claiming their counterparts as fakes or copies and then joining their counterparts towards the end, when there's a huge threat to overcome. Just some loose thoughts...

@Diddy Kong: remove Sonic to replace him with Impa.

 

[Kekezo]

Jesus, you sound like other ignorants I've dealt with.
Knuckles can do the exact same things Sonic can do in Brawl.
Can he Homing Attack? YES. Sonic Heroes shows that he is just as capable of Homing Attack like Sonic.
Can he Spin Dash? No duh.
Can he use a spring? Doi.
Can he go Super? Yes. Don't tell me you forgot all about Super Knuckles...

Oh, so he can glide and dig, magically making completely different? I suppose Shadow's plenthora of Chaos abilities he frequently uses makes him the most DAMN unique option ever. I don't recall Sonic ever using waves of Chaos energy, firing bolts of Chaos, teleporting, creating spurts of Chaos energy by snapping his fingers, engulfing his hands with Chaos energy to strike opponents with, etc.

Face it, Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow all have the potential to be clones or semi-clones and also all have the potential to be unique. People are too blind by "OMG SHADOW IS HEDGEHOG" to see that, which is rather ironic, since echidnas are pretty much like hedgehogs.

Hey, calm down.

1. Knuckles has a lot of games where he can't use homing attack.
2. Yes he can spin dash (in some games), never said that he couldn't.
3. Of course he can use a spring...
4. Super Knuckles was only in the Sonic & Knuckles games. Nowhere else have I seen him.

Compared to Shadow, Knuckles is far more different than Sonic. Knuckles is based around being strong. He has big gloves and a climbing ability, he can glide, and he punches stuff. Shadow is far more similar to Sonic in that they share similar speeds, appearances and abilities. Heck, Shadow is made specifically to rival Sonic in all his aspects. The biggest difference between Sonic and Shadow is that Shadow has the ability to use chaos. That's pretty much it.

I would love Shadow to be in SSB4, but he would end up being too much like Sonic. Not saying that I think Knuckles should definitely be put in SSb4. I just kind of tossed a name out.

 

[N3ON]

Both Knuckles and Shadow can be unique and can be semi-clones. Personally, even though I think it's very unlikely we get a 2nd Sonic character (and I wouldn't want one), I think it's even more unlikely that character would be a Sonic semi-clone. Same goes for a Snake semi-clone and any other future original 3rd party. I just don't think Sakurai would make a semi-clone of a 3rd-party, considering he doesn't want to overuse them or add them willy-nilly, and because he generally uses clones/semi-clones as padding which clashes with his 3rd party views.

Anyway, on a side note. I've always loved the colors on your sig. Do you have other art? Coloring is my weakest point I like what you do, any tips?

Thanks ^_^
I don't have any art persay, but I have used the colour scheme and style with some other avis and sigs I don't use anymore. Honestly it's just me messing around with the different colour options, filters, and effects in photoshop, so unless you also have photoshop, I wouldn't really be able to offer any tips, sorry.

 

[Croph]

I think Mario and Sonic are a waste of slots. To free up some space, they should take away those two and replace them with Somari. There, you get two characters for the price of one.

But seriously, Knuckles is my fav Sonic character, I'd love to see him in. Possibility of a 2nd Sonic rep? I think very unlikely any time soon. Even then, I don't expect Knuckles to make it in before Tails or Robotnik.

 

[Kekezo]

Somari....
...
what....
just... what?

 

[Deleted member]

Thanks ^_^
I don't have any art persay, but I have used the colour scheme and style with some other avis and sigs I don't use anymore. Honestly it's just me messing around with the different colour options, filters, and effects in photoshop, so unless you also have photoshop, I wouldn't really be able to offer any tips, sorry.

We'll I've been messing around with different things in Photoshop, but whenever I compare my work to other people's I just can't help but feel inferior in that sense. But yeah, Photoshop CS5 is what I use to sketch and what-not, those brushes are God Tier.


On Sonic, I feel like Shadow, Knuckles and Tails can all be either unique, or total clones... It all depends. Robotnick would make a mean boss though.

I uhno... Isn't one Sonic rep enough, I mean, it's SEGA. They have many more franchises outside of Sonic, inb4 Nights. It's like people only recognize those two. Why not Sakura Wars or Shenmue or something along those lines...? I mean, I'm not even a SEGA fan and I can name more IPs from them than what I hear from most other places.

 

[peeup]

Because Sonic is Sega's mascot. I know lots of people who know who Sonic is, I know some people who know who Tails and Knuckles are, and I know very few people who know who Eggman is. And I know nobody who knows anything else about Sega, even people who had Dreamcasts/older Sega consoles.

A SEGA rep that isn't from the Sonic universe is as unlikely as something really, really unlikely.

 

[Frostwraith]

Getting to know some Sega franchises: buy Project X Zone for 3DS, the Sega x Namco Bandai x Capcom crossover SRPG. It surprisingly doesn't feature Sonic characters.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I uhno... Isn't one Sonic rep enough, I mean, it's SEGA. They have many more franchises outside of Sonic, inb4 Nights. It's like people only recognize those two. Why not Sakura Wars or Shenmue or something along those lines...? I mean, I'm not even a SEGA fan and I can name more IPs from them than what I hear from most other places.

Blame the fact that Sonic the Hedgehog is pretty much the definitive franchise SEGA has, and is pretty much the reason why SEGA is still alive. But yes, SEGA is definitely one of the companies that has a **** ton of IPs, but sadly get neglected by the masses. In particular, I would really enjoy Vyse and Vectorman in a fighting game setting.

Getting to know some Sega franchises: buy Project X Zone for 3DS, the Sega x Namco Bandai x Capcom crossover SRPG. It surprisingly doesn't feature Sonic characters.

That's because the game focuses on the human (or humanoid) characters.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Travis Touchdown and Lloyd Irving for SSB4

 

[Oasis_S]

I don't want one anime and one really bad anime in Smash.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

I don't want one anime and one really bad anime in Smash.

So you don't want Dragonball Z or Naruto characters in Smash?

 

[Lord Primid]

Castlevania, anybody?

Spoiler

OR, howsabout Megaman?

Spoiler

And... this is pushing the envelope... (a lot)

Spoiler

 

[Big-Cat]

spoilerz plz

 

[FlareHabanero]

You know, it's weird how Lloyd for some reason puts me off. Normally I'd be fine with a character like Lloyd and would actually find the dual sword play an interesting take on the typical fair, but something just feels off about such an inclusion. Maybe it's the whole "third party" shtick clogging my brain or the whole cosmetic flare lacking that spark, but whatever reason it just lacks a sort of click despite the potential.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Hell yeah! As long as it's the manly and bearded Simon from the new game.

 

[Oasis_S]

You know, it's weird how Llyod for some reason puts me off. Normally I'd be fine with a character like Lloyd and would actually find the dual sword play an interesting take on the typical fair, but something just feels off about such an inclusion. Maybe it's the whole "third party" shtick clogging my brain or the whole cosmetic flare lacking that spark, but whatever reason it just lacks a sort of click despite the potential.

Hello that is a nice boat you have there mind if I join in.

 

[ChronoBound]

You know, it's weird how Llyod for some reason puts me off. Normally I'd be fine with a character like Lloyd and would actually find the dual sword play an interesting take on the typical fair, but something just feels off about such an inclusion. Maybe it's the whole "third party" shtick clogging my brain or the whole cosmetic flare lacking that spark, but whatever reason it just lacks a sort of click despite the potential.

I think it might be due to the fact that if Lloyd were a Nintendo character his chances would have already been sailed with Brawl (his game was released in 2004).

As it stands among Tales characters, I think he is among the two most likely to get in (the other being Cless).

I don't think a Tales character should be used as Namco's rep (I don't like the idea of a Namco character at all actually), however, I pretty much think we are either going to get Pac-Man or a Tales character in Smash (possibly both). I think between the two, I would rather have Pac-Man, since at least he is iconic and would help drive interest in the game.

 

[peeup]

What about Tekken =(

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

X is not the Mega Man. I prefer the simplistic art and story of Mega Man rather than Mega Man X.

Also, Knuckles and Metal Sonic are the best choices for Sonic characters

 

[3Bismyname]

i'd rather have Tails or Eggman. but overall i don't want any of them.

 

[Big-Cat]

What about Tekken =(

The only person appropriate would be Heihachi.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Knuckles as Sonic's rival in the comics is what got me hooked on Sonic.

I don't like Tails archetype anyway. He needs to man up, the coward

 

[Starphoenix]

A quick visit on the eve of Spring Break, and I find the entire forum changes. Not sure how I feel about this one. However, looking at all of the images above, some things never do...

 

[TKactual]

So, I've noticed a lot of hate for Lloyd around, probably because some people just look at his picture and go, wait thats an anime character we can't have that in super smash bros. I think some people just fail to know that the tales series originated as a video game series and then some people thought it would be cool to try and make some of the games into an 8 episode anime, which is actually ok for how compressed the anime show is because of the length of the game. So I'm just saying, I know all of us have our likes and dislikes, but some people need to lay off Lloyd for awhile. Anyways, since Namco is helping make the game there is bound to be at least 2 characters and I think that Pacman and Lloyd have the best chances. Thats all, TKactual Is out!

 

[Ember Reaper]

So I'm just saying, I know all of us have our likes and dislikes, but some people need to lay off Lloyd for awhile. Anyways, since Namco is helping make the game there is bound to be at least 2 characters and I think that Pacman and Lloyd have the best chances. Thats all, TKactual Is out!

Don't just go throwing numbers around like that. We don't know if there will be 2 if any Namco characters. Among Namco, I agree with pacman and Lloyd, but don't go saying 2 please. Look through the groups who helped make Brawl, not all of them actually had characters. Monolith Studios, Konami, Sega, etc. They all helped and Monolith didn't get any and Konami and Sega only got one.

 

[Oasis_S]

There is bound to be at least 0 Namco characters.

There.


ALSO HI STAR.

 

[3Bismyname]

i didnt even know there was a Tales of anime honestly. i may have to check it out now. and idk Lloyd is like my forth most wanted (but like 2nd most likely) Namco character but that's more cause i like his concept more than the likes of Hehaichi.

 

[Shorts]

Third party characters are just no good. I either want none, or five. (One for SEGA, Konami, Square Enix, Capcom and Namco) I want all the big names covered, or none at all.

But I figure we'll get Snake and Sonic back, and PROBABLY one more third party. Either Layton or Megaman.

 

[Deleted member]

So, I've noticed a lot of hate for Lloyd around, probably because some people just look at his picture and go, wait thats an anime character we can't have that in super smash bros. I think some people just fail to know that the tales series originated as a video game series and then some people thought it would be cool to try and make some of the games into an 8 episode anime, which is actually ok for how compressed the anime show is because of the length of the game. So I'm just saying, I know all of us have our likes and dislikes, but some people need to lay off Lloyd for awhile. Anyways, since Namco is helping make the game there is bound to be at least 2 characters and I think that Pacman and Lloyd have the best chances. Thats all, TKactual Is out!

You shouldn't generalize like that. I'm a huge anime fan, I've probably seen shows you've never even heard of, and I'm not particularly excited about Lloyd. I simply find him to be the lesser of two evils and a rather logical choice. It's like an election between Obama and Mitt Romney. I don't think him having an anime inspired art style has anything to do with it.

Also, Fire Emblem; it's anime inspired, had an OVA series and still gets plenty of support.

 

[kikaru]

With Lloyd I think you have to actually play his game to gain an understanding and appreciation for his character. But as far as Cless goes I can't judge his character until I've played and beaten Phantasia.

 

[FlareHabanero]

With Lloyd I think you have to actually play his game to gain an understanding and appreciation for his character.

I have played Tales of Symphonia, but that doesn't really mean much. The whole idea of Lloyd still doesn't feel right.

Also for the record, my favorite of the protagonists is Luke from Tales of the Abyss.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Kikaru's right- I think the ones who really want Lloyd tend to be ones who actually played Symphonia through and so on. I actually used to dislike Symphonia due it's sheer anime design back when my brothers owned it (I remember telling that once in the Backroom), but later on after I grew bit more tolerable and saw how many people seemed to like the game, I went ahead and gave it a try. It was worth it because I discovered a game which, while rather infamous for plaqued with some cliches, was pretty engaging (dat battle system) and at times very feel-filled game with it's issues and development of the characters.

I can see what you mean by Lloyd feeling somewhat off as a 3rd party inclusion- maybe because he doesn't really have fame or popularity going for him from general players, it's more of being a fan favourite/cult character from a game that holds special place to them as gamers, similar to Ness, etc.
Symphonia though being the most popular game in Tales-series (arguably), one of the most well-known RPG classics on Gamecube and being pretty analogue with Nintendo's history lends him though with some reputation as an inclusion.

Though I have to admit, as a character Lloyd falls bit off compared to other protagonists in the game (He has little to no character development ingame as I've seen... at least the OVA episodes tried to fix that to some degree.) (-l´l);
In fact, I just am in the position of thinking that I wish to see Symphonia as a whole represented in SSB4 if it came to Tales Of-representation, and I thought Lloyd would be the most logical way to go with it. (But if I could really really have someone in Smash as a fighter, I'd take either Genis or Sheena.)

 

[Curious Villager]

So long as Layton is there, I'd be content in term's of third parties. I'm not really a huge fan of Lloyd for smash either.

Then again, I'm also kinda slowly losing my interests of supporting Layton for smash. Maybe it's because of that latest trailer and Level-5's unwillingness to continue the series to one last trilogy taking place after the original trilogy and I'm sorta feeling a little let-down by that, as well as the fact I didn't really enjoy the prequels as much. I don't know really.

But back to Lloyd. He seems like an interesting character, but I just think that Pac-Man would suit better as Namco's rep since he looks like he has a much closer connection to Nintendo's history, just like Megaman and he's a character I think more people would be familiar with. That's just what I think really... I'm not saying that Lloyd has no connections or something. Don't get the wrong idea.^^

Then again, that may be bias on my part since I've never really played a tales game before. I have been wanting to for some time though and the characters look interesting. Just never had the chance to. I don't really know much about or support any of Namco's characters so I may be entirely off... My apologies if I am.

 

[kikaru]

Of course Pac-Man's chances of getting in is probably better than that of Lloyd's; however, I still firmly believe that the Tales-of series can provide a lot of content for the next Smash game regardless if the series receives character representation. If we look into Young Horsetail's thread about Lloyd you can see a lot of ideas and elements that can be implemented such as:

Character cut-ins for Final Smashes
Unique victory quotes for certain combinations of characters
Possible overworld for Story Mode

Whether or not Tales gets a character doesn't change the fact that the series as a whole has so much to offer for the next Smash game.

 

[volbound1700]

Sonic has to be in Brawl, he has his gene in Science:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_hedgehog

There is also a Dr. Robotnik gene that opposes it haha. Sonic will live on even after the days SEGA is bankrupt and no more Sonic games are made.

Personally Tails should be represented for Sonic series followed by Dr. Robotnik, Shadow, and then Knuckles. That is based on importance and nostalgia to the series. Plus Tails is SEGA's Luigi and Luigi was the first Mario character added along with Yoshi.

 

[Frostwraith]

Character cut-ins are present in many games, like MvC (if I'm not mistaken) or the recent Fire Emblem: Awakening, not just Tales...

Classic super thingy and would be nice in SSB4 since it gives a more dramatic effect when using a powerful move like a Final Smash.

Edit: If Sega goes bankrupt, it'd be best if their IPs went to Nintendo IMO. Monolith Soft or Retro Studios developing a Sonic game, anyone?

 

[Deleted member]

Nintendo buying out Sega or their IPs would be a huge case of irony, don't you think?
After all, "Sega does what Nintendon't". (Oh wait, that smilie isn't here...)

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

So you don't want Dragonball Z or Naruto characters in Smash?

Those chumps are already in Project Versus J, the supposed successor of the Jump Stars games. It is a Sony exclusive since Nintendo didn't want to help them with publishment this time around.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Apparently there is a topic "Why is Ridley not popular anymore" at gamefaqs....

Is Ridley not a popular choice anywhere but here?