Roster Discussion Thread (Closed)

[FlareHabanero]

But that's different. It's one thing that a game moves units, and another when already existing owners buy a game. In fact, I'd say the Wii U version would do the former far more then the 3DS version.

 

[ChronoBound]

But that's different. It's one thing that a game moves units, and another when already existing owners buy a game. In fact, I'd say the Wii U version would do the former far more then the 3DS version.

I never said the Smash 4 3DS would push more hardware than Smash 4 Wii U, I said that Smash 4 3DS has the potential to push a lot of hardware.

 

[Hokori]

All for Chrom being added for another FE Rep. For a female rep, I'd wanna see Lucina.

*Shrugs*

Doubt Lucina, but I reeeeally do hope for Chrom to make an appearance. If Smash 4 had Marth, Chrom, Ike and Roy repping for FE it would be a beautiful thing.

 

[peeup]

Micaiahhhhhh

We already have a quick swordsman and a strong swordsman. The addition of Chrom would be just another variation on a projectile-less character who uses a sword and would be some other mix of stats. Unless they gave him projectiles.

But if they're gonna do that, they may as well just add Micaiah instead. She's visually very different from the other FE reps, she's female, and she's a healer/mage character. She can give so much diversity to the roster, especially with regard to FE. Though I understand that would overrepresent the games with her and Ike. So my proposal:

Keep Marth, replace Ike with Chrom, and add Micaiah.

That way we keep our 2 different swordsmen, we adequately represent the newest installment of FE, we adequately represent Radiant Dawn/other games, we get a new type of character, we get another much needed female rep, profit.

 

[JPW]

Micaiahhhhhh

We already have a quick swordsman and a strong swordsman. The addition of Chrom would be just another variation on a projectile-less character who uses a sword and would be some other mix of stats. Unless they gave him projectiles.

But if they're gonna do that, they may as well just add Micaiah instead. She's visually very different from the other FE reps, she's female, and she's a healer/mage character. She can give so much diversity to the roster, especially with regard to FE. Though I understand that would overrepresent the games with her and Ike. So my proposal:

Keep Marth, replace Ike with Chrom, and add Micaiah.

That way we keep our 2 different swordsmen, we adequately represent the newest installment of FE, we adequately represent Radiant Dawn/other games, we get a new type of character, we get another much needed female rep, profit.

Micaiah.

I don't mean to be rude but when it comes to FE reps. her significance isn't all that grand in fact when it comes to Radiant Dawn there is much more focus on Ike and his battles than any other lord. Ike is the main lord you could say in Radiant Dawn.

Spoiler

at the end he is known as the hero and it turns out to be his story.

Miciah is basically another backstory........ a different point of view.

If you really want a female from FE i think Lyn has a better chance. She's an assist in Brawl and was in the first FE game released outside of Japan. Not to mention looking at her DLC artwork there's double swords imagine the possibilities and the moveset.

Also when it comes to strong mages in my experience i found Miciah to be a very weak mage. Soren is much better and build up to be a lot stronger.

Ike should be before Miciah is even considered.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I agree with Frost though, even if it's slightly true that majority of lords seem blue-haired in the series... this just made me wonder which audience Smash Bros is corely trying to appeal to more: the ordinary gamers who are into the usual flagship games of Nintendo or the hardcore Nintendo-fans with so far wishful thinking for more variety and fanservice?

We can say both, definitely, though it seems to reflect at the other aspects of the game rather than the roster so far (though even if it has some fan favourites.)

One thing that really caught my attention is that we hadn't really had any new franchises featured in Brawl which were from Post-Melee era (because Wario, Animal Crossing came in the 90's and Pikmin was released around the same times as Melee). Maybe it'd mean now that Post-Melee franchises are really that unworthy (aside from potential franchises to be sprung up like Xenoblade and Rhythm Heaven).

 

[volbound1700]

man this place still seems bugged. Took me 4 times to sign in.

I believe it not just popularity that helped Sonic's chances. It most likely was a factor. But i believe History also played a great part. It's the 90's it was Mario vs Sonic. There was a full on rivalry there at times. Playground Wars. Who's better Mario or Sonic? It's still there today, though Mario is the clear winner now because no one can forgive "Sonic 2006". But History had to be on Sakurai's mind all the time. I'm pretty sure he expected everyone to suggest Sonic even when he showed, Snake because that opened up the door, if Snake's in does that mean Sonic has a chance? How will the people go? Sonic been on Nintendo consolesx and his games have actually sold better when on a Nintendo Console or Handheld.
What got Snake in? The only person begging for Snake was the creator of the franchise. Why did Sakurai put him in or even consider him? History? he was relevant to Nintendo also. Sakurai was quoted for "Third Parties to be eligible they've had to be on a Nintendo Console at least once"

Sonic also developed a lot of games early for Nintendo and SEGA has become one of Nintendo's strongest third party. Sonic Adventure DX and Sonic Adventure 2: Battle were two of the first Sonic games released after the company stopped making their own platforms. They were both released for GCN. SEGA heavily supported Gameboy Advanced, DS, etc. I think all of that played a part as well. SEGA does usually support all three platforms but their first targets are usually Nintendo platforms.

 

[volbound1700]

A company would be lucky to get one of their characters into Smash, one rep per 3rd party is enough. I'm still not fond of 3rd Party characters to be even incuded in the Smash games, let alone 2 reps for a 3rd party series. But hey that's just me.

That opinion is not shared by many players or people interested in Smash. From what I gathered discussing around, other than a few Nintendo fanboys, most people want Nintendo to get more third party including multiple characters from the same franchise (a la Tails or Shadow for example with Sonic).

Several third party characters like Megaman have been on more Nintendo systems and provided more support to Nintendo than many of the first party franchises currently in Smash and perhaps all of the 1st Party Franchises still out there to add to Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

Basically, bush meat from grounded up monkey flesh. It doesn't taste good at all.

Huh, I was thinking it'd be something more like this:

I don't think the PS4 and next X-Box will bomb anywhere except perhaps Japan (and that is mostly due the Japanese market being mostly handhelds nowadays, and them never having been keen on X-Box).

In the American market, both consoles will perform fine (at the very least their first several months will have higher sales than the Wii U). The rumored pricepoint for them is $400-450 (with $500 being the absolute highpoint for them), so the pricepoint will be more affordable than when the 360/PS3 launched (especially the PS3).

In Europe, both consoles have a very good chance of having subpar sales due to the poor economy in much of Europe right now. However, the PlayStation brand is still quite strong there (the only territory that really took to the X-Box there seems to have been the UK).

I think the more disconcerting thing about those two consoles is the rumor about them disallowing used games. However, I don't think even that would be enough to impede their sales (just look at how popular anti-consumer DLC has been).

I think the Wii U right now has a very cloudy horizon in the West. Nintendo will have to get out a lot of software this year in order for the console to be successful long-term in the West. Getting out Mario Kart for this holiday season with a small pricecut ($50) would at the very least keep the Wii U's sales from being anemic.

The 3DS's Western sales are also disconcerting. The 3DS this January in the West sold more poorly than any of the DS's January sales (with the exception of the years where the 3DS was already released). The only three bullets Nintendo has to make the 3DS more successful in the West is another price cut, Pokemon X/Y, and Animal Crossing: New Leaf.

I think Smash 4 3DS also has the potential to drive a lot of 3DS hardware sales.

Agreed on all fronts. It's very disheartening when you see all the hype for it. I can understand interest, I'm curious about both consoles as well. But when you hear rumors about the patents such as these:

http://www.itworld.com/personal-tech/333199/sony-patent-suggests-ps4-may-not-run-used-video-games
http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2013/01/15/ps4-patent-talk/

I mean, really? In game advertisements? Your game will be paused and interrupted to show you a quick add? That's ****ing bull****, no matter HOW you spell it! How can anyone defend this? Not to mention trying to do away with used games... With those two there is literally NO reason to get either console. Sony's is deliberately screwing over their consumers for more money, and the sheeple will eat it up. Most of the hype comes from having a more powerful console and I can understand that, but many agree that we've reached the point that graphical improvements are hardly noticeable unless you compare them side by side. The costs of production in both hardware and software go up exponentially with new tech though. Most of the budget for current gen games go to graphics already, so what does this mean? $70+ dollar games on those consoles? $500 for the console itself? That's absurd, at that price just go and buy a PC, at least Steam isn't trying to jew you over, and the games are moddable.

I dunno, I had my rant, I don't think all Sony consoles are bad, I like the PS3 and PSP, but I'm just so bothered when I see stuff like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBR4YZgTmFA

Anyway, overall competition is good. But I dislike the idea of trends such as in-game ads, and doing away with used game sales catching on all across the mainstream. We'll see what happens with the next gen. For one I'm glad to see Nintendo pulling out all the stops on what to do with the WiiU and 3DS. So many games already announced with their directs this month, it's created a lot of hype for the E3. The biggest things to keep in mind are price point and games. Assuming the Nextbox and PS4 come out this Christmas, they're gonna have to have a sizeable library of exclusives to compete with the already established WiiU, otherwise they will meet a fate much worse than the one the WiiU faced (which wasn't so bad really). Also, I say exclusives since it's rumored that the architecture across all 3 consoles is very similar this time around. Meaning devs can quite easily make multi-plats for all 3 consoles. And well with exclusives such as Bayonetta and Monster Hunter, and developers like PlatGames gone over to Nintendo, and Bungie now being owned by Activision Blizzard, both Microsoft and Sony, in my opinion, will have a hard time standing out form the competition this time around. And Sony, more than anyone is banking on the PS4 succeeding, especially looking at the flop that was the PSVita.

For me, it will have to do with the Japanese market. If Nintendo can net devs such as: ArcSystemWorks, FromSoft, and the like, I'll be a happy camper, as I don't wanna have to buy aPS4 just to play the next BlazBlue, or DS3. Though, it's likely those games will be multi-plats for all the Next Gen consoles, so it's all good. As for success in the West. Well, here in Europe everyone loves the PS3, and many are hyped for the PS4, but with no games like the Vita, we'll see what happens. With the Xbox in the States. I dunno, Microsoft fans are incredibly loyal and blind (as seen by the hype), as long as they have their Halo, they'll keep buying more Xboxes. I think it's evident Nintendo is likely to dominate the Japanese market though. If I'm not mistaken, the WiiU sold out during Christmas Season over there, and with Cross platform play for MonHun3Ultimate, I'm pretty keen on getting one soon as well.

And well, to stay on topic:

Micaiahhhhhh

We already have a quick swordsman and a strong swordsman. The addition of Chrom would be just another variation on a projectile-less character who uses a sword and would be some other mix of stats. Unless they gave him projectiles.

But if they're gonna do that, they may as well just add Micaiah instead. She's visually very different from the other FE reps, she's female, and she's a healer/mage character. She can give so much diversity to the roster, especially with regard to FE. Though I understand that would overrepresent the games with her and Ike. So my proposal:

Keep Marth, replace Ike with Chrom, and add Micaiah.

That way we keep our 2 different swordsmen, we adequately represent the newest installment of FE, we adequately represent Radiant Dawn/other games, we get a new type of character, we get another much needed female rep, profit.

Funny how you think Michaia would be a good mage though. I don't mean to be rude, but I hated her as a character simply because of how useless and even detrimental she tended to be. I recall there being a chapter where I had to keep restarting because she kept dying.
As everyone else has already said, in regards to a female FE rep, Lyn says hello:

I mean, c'mon who doesn't want a counter-happy Battousai as a playable character, whether you main her or not, she'd be fun as **** to fight against to say the least.

 

[IAm2Sarcastic4U]

That opinion is not shared by many players or people interested in Smash. From what I gathered discussing around, other than a few Nintendo fanboys, most people want Nintendo to get more third party including multiple characters from the same franchise (a la Tails or Shadow for example with Sonic).

Several third party characters like Megaman have been on more Nintendo systems and provided more support to Nintendo than many of the first party franchises currently in Smash and perhaps all of the 1st Party Franchises still out there to add to Smash.

It's more of a personal reason for me as to why I don't wanna see any 3rd party characters in Smash Bros., the game is about NINTENDO ALLSTARS duking it out in battle not Sonic meets Mario, meets Pacman meets Megaman :\

 

[Hokori]

It's more of a personal reason for me as to why I don't wanna see any 3rd party characters in Smash Bros., the game is about NINTENDO ALLSTARS duking it out in battle not Sonic meets Mario, meets Pacman meets Megaman :\

I think it would be perfectly fine if Snake and Sonic were left in the next game, just no further additions. Didn't Sakurai mention something about not wanting to add more 3rd party characters because it'd take away the focus of the series being Nintendo oriented or something like that?

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I think it would be perfectly fine if Snake and Sonic were left in the next game, just no further additions. Didn't Sakurai mention something about not wanting to add more 3rd party characters because it'd take away the focus of the series being Nintendo oriented or something like that?

No. He said that he didn't want to start adding third parties willy-nilly, because THAT would take away from the focus of the game. He said nothing about no new third parties.

 

[IAm2Sarcastic4U]

I think it would be perfectly fine if Snake and Sonic were left in the next game, just no further additions. Didn't Sakurai mention something about not wanting to add more 3rd party characters because it'd take away the focus of the series being Nintendo oriented or something like that?

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/07/masahiro-sakurai-talks-super-smash-bros-4

 

[Hokori]

No. He said that he didn't want to start adding third parties willy-nilly, because THAT would take away from the focus of the game. He said nothing about no new third parties.

I see. Makes sense. Thank you informing me. If there were more 3rd party additions, I don't think I'd expect more than two.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Don't know why Michaia crops up a lot when it comes to this whole Fire Emblem bullcrap considering she's a pretty bad character, but bottom feeding is not my forte, so whatever.

I have been warming up to the idea of Lyn though, mainly due to ManlySpirit clarifying what she is capable of.

 

[Big-Cat]

Righty-o, Habanero. I wasn't all that interested in Lyn, but Manly showed me how she can be a standout character and would make me at least want to try her out AND BUY THE GAME.

Off topic, but I'd love if Final Destination's song had a tone similar to this.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Really? /10charlimit.

Man, I don't like these new spoiler tags.

Someone on one of the SSB4 topics on the IGN Wii Lobby said they heard it in one of his interviews.

Not sure if true, but it does make sense to get more females into the game.

Don't know why Michaia crops up a lot when it comes to this whole Fire Emblem bullcrap considering she's a pretty bad character, but bottom feeding is not my forte, so whatever.

I have been warming up to the idea of Lyn though, mainly due to ManlySpirit clarifying what she is capable of.

First off, it is spelled MICAIAH

Second, she is not a bad character. She has good moveset potential (being one of the choices to change up the Fire Emblem roster and get it out of swordsville). Plus she is an interesting character that is important to her story and is popular among a good amount of fans (at least in Japan).

Third, Lyn would be nice (especially for two swords) but I think they would go more with choices over the last couple of games (going back to Radiant Dawn). Character choices including Micaiah, Sheeda, Lucina, Liz, Frederick, Sothe, Soren, etc.

 

[~automatic]

Don't know why Michaia crops up a lot when it comes to this whole Fire Emblem bullcrap considering she's a pretty bad character, but bottom feeding is not my forte, so whatever.

Micaiah (who is female) is one of the playable main characters that uses magic instead of physical weapons. Female character who would fight differently from other FE reps is the main allure to people who speculate and debate inclusions.

 

[Big-Cat]

DSN reminds me of how most of us speculated in the pre-Brawl days.

 

[Banjodorf]

Off topic, but I'd love if Final Destination's song had a tone similar to this.

Off-topic, but Kuma, I don't even know how to express my gratitude. I've been looking *everywhere* for those songs. Well, obviously not everywhere enough, but jeez. Thank you!

DSN reminds me of how most of us speculated in the pre-Brawl days.

It's sorta true. My sig had *alot* more names back in those days. Things sure changed that January, I swear.

 

[Big-Cat]

The most is the 3 and so minute previews so far. The only full ones available are Amane's, Bullet's, Azrael's and Taokaka's which just happened to be at the 3 minute limit.

Sword of Salvation (as I like to call it) has to be the best of the remixes I've heard with Valk's in second.

 

[DragonSniperNintendo]

Huh, I was thinking it'd be something more like this:

Agreed on all fronts. It's very disheartening when you see all the hype for it. I can understand interest, I'm curious about both consoles as well. But when you hear rumors about the patents such as these:

http://www.itworld.com/personal-tech/333199/sony-patent-suggests-ps4-may-not-run-used-video-games
http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2013/01/15/ps4-patent-talk/

I mean, really? In game advertisements? Your game will be paused and interrupted to show you a quick add? That's ****ing bull****, no matter HOW you spell it! How can anyone defend this? Not to mention trying to do away with used games... With those two there is literally NO reason to get either console. Sony's is deliberately screwing over their consumers for more money, and the sheeple will eat it up. Most of the hype comes from having a more powerful console and I can understand that, but many agree that we've reached the point that graphical improvements are hardly noticeable unless you compare them side by side. The costs of production in both hardware and software go up exponentially with new tech though. Most of the budget for current gen games go to graphics already, so what does this mean? $70+ dollar games on those consoles? $500 for the console itself? That's absurd, at that price just go and buy a PC, at least Steam isn't trying to jew you over, and the games are moddable.

I dunno, I had my rant, I don't think all Sony consoles are bad, I like the PS3 and PSP, but I'm just so bothered when I see stuff like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBR4YZgTmFA

Anyway, overall competition is good. But I dislike the idea of trends such as in-game ads, and doing away with used game sales catching on all across the mainstream. We'll see what happens with the next gen. For one I'm glad to see Nintendo pulling out all the stops on what to do with the WiiU and 3DS. So many games already announced with their directs this month, it's created a lot of hype for the E3. The biggest things to keep in mind are price point and games. Assuming the Nextbox and PS4 come out this Christmas, they're gonna have to have a sizeable library of exclusives to compete with the already established WiiU, otherwise they will meet a fate much worse than the one the WiiU faced (which wasn't so bad really). Also, I say exclusives since it's rumored that the architecture across all 3 consoles is very similar this time around. Meaning devs can quite easily make multi-plats for all 3 consoles. And well with exclusives such as Bayonetta and Monster Hunter, and developers like PlatGames gone over to Nintendo, and Bungie now being owned by Activision Blizzard, both Microsoft and Sony, in my opinion, will have a hard time standing out form the competition this time around. And Sony, more than anyone is banking on the PS4 succeeding, especially looking at the flop that was the PSVita.

For me, it will have to do with the Japanese market. If Nintendo can net devs such as: ArcSystemWorks, FromSoft, and the like, I'll be a happy camper, as I don't wanna have to buy aPS4 just to play the next BlazBlue, or DS3. Though, it's likely those games will be multi-plats for all the Next Gen consoles, so it's all good. As for success in the West. Well, here in Europe everyone loves the PS3, and many are hyped for the PS4, but with no games like the Vita, we'll see what happens. With the Xbox in the States. I dunno, Microsoft fans are incredibly loyal and blind (as seen by the hype), as long as they have their Halo, they'll keep buying more Xboxes. I think it's evident Nintendo is likely to dominate the Japanese market though. If I'm not mistaken, the WiiU sold out during Christmas Season over there, and with Cross platform play for MonHun3Ultimate, I'm pretty keen on getting one soon as well.

And well, to stay on topic:

Funny how you think Michaia would be a good mage though. I don't mean to be rude, but I hated her as a character simply because of how useless and even detrimental she tended to be. I recall there being a chapter where I had to keep restarting because she kept dying.
As everyone else has already said, in regards to a female FE rep, Lyn says hello:

I mean, c'mon who doesn't want a counter-happy Battousai as a playable character, whether you main her or not, she'd be fun as **** to fight against to say the least.

1. Lyn's game was in 2003, which got her into Brawl (although as an AT, when she should have been playable). I think she missed her chance back then and they would want a female from a recent game. Three choices I see are Micaiah, Sheeda, and Lucina.

2. If Lyn was able to get in, she would be a double sword user now.

DSN reminds me of how most of us speculated in the pre-Brawl days.

I consider that both a compliment and criticism

How was it back in those days?

Don't worry though I will be "where you guys are at" in the days leading up to SSB5

I'm sure. Just like Zant before him.

Or how wildly popular Midna was.

Don't forget that Midna was popular enough that Nintendo acknowledged her popularity as well and said she might return for future games because of it.

Ghirahim is no different than ANY other Zelda character before him

He's a fad that will probably die out the next time a Zelda game is released

Well in the game Zant was in, there was still Ganondorf (who they could still use)

As for Midna, I agree with you on that.

I was just looking at it from a VILLAIN SIDE. Skyward Sword would basically be the game to impact majority of Zelda's roster in SSB4. That definitely means Link and Zelda, but then that would only be 2 characters (when we might be getting 5, thus less than half). If there is 5 and we get 1 more character, it would basically be another Skyward Sword character more than likely. Ghirahim or Impa. And technically both could be in since Impa can take the Sheik role for Zelda.

Plus we can't say he is a fad until future games

 

[Banjodorf]

I consider that both a compliment and criticism

How was it back in those days?

Don't worry I will be "where you guys are at" in the days leading up to SSB5

To give you an idea, the average roster had the following (This is post-Dedede announcement, which was Nov. of 2007):

1. Geno
2. Ridley
3. Krystal
4. Lucario
5. Masked Man (Claus)
6. Bowser Jr.
7. Olimar
8. K. Rool (Although he wasn't as prominent as he is today, by alot.)
9. Isaac
10. Michaiah
11. Black Knight

And basically whatever else people would think up. In addition, many clones were assumed to be getting cut, because the general idea was "Clones = bad and they know it." As you can see, that wasn't the case. (I honestly don't have that opinion.) So, in order for characters like Gannon to stay around, he was getting a new moveset. Yay, swords! Didn't happen. This was a pretty popular opinion too, even I thought so.

In addition, it was widely believed Luigi would have the Poltergust (I still don't understand why he didn't.)

R.O.B. was nowhere to be found. Lucas was belived to be replacing Ness in several circles. Of the list up there, only two made it playable. One was a boss. And one was an AT.

One thing we learned was that clones are here to stay, and that popular characters are often chosen. (Not featured on this list are characters such as Diddy Kong, Meta Knight and Dedede. Also Wario and Pit) Fringe characters like Geno, or somewhat unusual ones, unless they're very important to Nintendo history (Pit, Takamaru, etc.) are hardly ever considered. That's why most lists these days are...well, just look at my sig, and scratch out Dixie if you want, and put Takamaru there. And move Palutena if you want. Those are the popular choices, honestly.

Give or take a couple I haven't mentioned. Everything else should be expected as a surprise. Not to sound totally pessimistic.

Oh! Also I forgot, added two FE characters that *were* extremely popular back then as well. Since then, though, their inclusion has become about as likely as *any* other FE lord. As it became very evident that uniqueness is not a main modicum for inclusion for Sakurai, and more representation.

Trust me, the word "Uniqueness" was thrown around like candy back in the day. Nowadays, it's just a SWF colloquialism for "This character is better than X"

 

[Gamingboy]

(Sorry if this is a bit messed up, getting a bit used to the redesign)

Nintendo isn't doomed, and neither are the other two consoles. All three WILL see their sales go down from last generation, and you will see a lot of people not buy them when they first arrive on the market, instead waiting until either the A-Level games or a price cut comes. The main reason you see the "nintendo is doomed" stuff right now (besides the fact that it's what happens every time) and the low sales is because of this... nobody beyond the super-diehards (like me) is going to buy a Wii U until there is a 3D Mario, SSB4 or Zelda. Notice how the 3DS didn't start selling until the big guns showed up- and how it probably still hasn't fully launched to it's full potential and won't until Pokemon comes out.

A similar thing will happen with the 720 and PS4, although the greater amounts of 3rd parties will make it not as noticeable (although the fact that you will likely see COD, Madden, FIFA, etc. being launched on the 360 and PS3 as well may bite into it). But no matter what, none of the big three is going to have anything like the success of the past generation, simply because the markets are so fragmented now.

Anyway, back to Smash. I was thinking it could be neat if we had a Manakete in SSB4. Maybe Tiki? Although we do already sort of have a playable dragon in Charizard....

 

[Shorts]

Keep Marth, replace Ike with Chrom, and add Micaiah.

Personally, I like Micaiah. But I honestly don't know anything about her game of origin, so, it's not like I like her for any real reason other than her moveset could be super interesting.

Why would you ever have Micaiah withoout Ike though? The most sense would be Marth, Ike, and Micaiah. Wouldn't it be like having no Marth with Caeda in the game?

Personally, I'm playing the Fire Emblem Sacred Stones game and I love the idea of an Eirika Ephraim as a duo.

As everyone else has already said, in regards to a female FE rep, Lyn says hello:

She's definitely one of the most popular FE characters, behind Roy and Chrom. But, if we're going to add silly girls, why not add Caeda? We have Goroh AND Takamaru coming in with Katanas. No one is using a spear yet.

That opinion is not shared by many players or people interested in Smash. From what I gathered discussing around, other than a few Nintendo fanboys, most people want Nintendo to get more third party including multiple characters from the same franchise (a la Tails or Shadow for example with Sonic).

Adding characters from other series and from other worlds, really, outside the Nintendo universe, is an incredibly difficult process. In some ways it's more difficult from just building a game from the ground up because you're really trying to make everything match and in some ways that creates limitations. I hope that people can understand that's the reason we can't include more characters from outside the Nintendo universe. And, of course, I believe that when you increase the number of worlds, you're also increasing the number of people who could potentially enjoy that videogame and the series that you're putting in there. But there are also problems because having these non-traditional characters in there -- even with just Snake and Sonic -- has resulted in a number of people who do dissent in seeing these characters put into the Smash series. It's not a simple matter of adding as many worlds and characters from other games as possible -- you can't be careless in doing that sort of thing, you have to be careful. Internally and externally, there have been people who have raised objections to it.

 

[Big-Cat]

She's definitely one of the most popular FE characters, behind Roy and Chrom. But, if we're going to add silly girls, why not add Caeda? We have Goroh AND Takamaru coming in with Katanas. No one is using a spear yet.

While I understand your logic, the possibility of three katana users doesn't mean they can't be different. Goroh's easily a pitbull character, Takamaru is an aggressive zoner, and Lyn is a mobile defensive character.

 

[Shorts]

While I understand your logic, the possibility of three katana users doesn't mean they can't be different. Goroh's easily a pitbull character, Takamaru is an aggressive zoner, and Lyn is a mobile defensive character.

Remember, this is Sakurai.

Ganondorf = Captain Falcon?

 

[peeup]

To the casual gamer, a swordsman is a swordsman is a swordsman, at least generally. I'd far rather have someone use a spear or an axe than have another swordsman. Obviously you can make them have entirely different stats and movesets, but visually its still a swordsman and another swordsman, which looks lazy and boring.

 

[Big-Cat]

Well casual gamers are idiots.

And so is Sakurai to some extent.

 

[kikaru]

If swordsmen are boring and generic then so is anything that uses punches and kicks.
And I don't even think the casual gamer would identify unfamiliar characters as 'swordsmen' or 'magician,' all these characters have identities and traits that make them unique regardless of the weapon type they use. Yes, swords are part of the characters but that doesn't mean that's the only part of the character that even the most casual gamer should care about. It's easy to take away the identity of any character and give them a generic title.

At this point you'll have to blame the popularity of swords for being so prominent in so many forms of medeval-fantasy not just limited to Fire Emblem, Super Smash, etc. And should we simply exclude every future character who uses a sword just because it's 'generic, lazy, and boring' to a small handful of people? What does this say for characters like Takamaru, Isaac, and Shulk?

Now as far as I would love to see a little more variety in the weapon selection in Super Smash the significance and popularity of a character takes precedence over everything. What does that mean for Fire Emblem? It means we will see anywhere between 2-4 Fire Emblem characters being some combination of Marth along with Chrom, Roy, and/or Ike. Since Micaiah is being brought up quite often I would like to address my perspective of her inclusion.

I believe Micaiah can bring two things if she was included as a playable character: Female. Magic-User. However, due to the unfortunate reception and timing of Radiant Dawn's release there are also a lot of strikes against her inclusion. Radiant Dawn received some of the lowest ratings out of the new Fire Emblem games, Radiant Dawn is no longer the newest addition to the series, sales of Radiant Dawn pale in comparison to that of Awakening, and demand for her character is only noticeable at best when compared to the demand for Roy and even Chrom.

I could definitely see Micaiah appear as an Assist Trophy or something similar however.

 

[Deleted member]

1. Lyn's game was in 2003, which got her into Brawl (although as an AT, when she should have been playable). I think she missed her chance back then and they would want a female from a recent game. Three choices I see are Micaiah, Sheeda, and Lucina.

2. If Lyn was able to get in, she would be a double sword user now.

Not gonna argue with that, after all, you're correct to some extent. Only thing I gotta point out is, I'm kinda warming up to the idea of her using two swords as well as one. After all, knowing more than one Martial Art is usually more beneficial than being a master of just one. She could use two swords, a Katana and a Wakazashi/Tonto using a Niitoryu style for the combos and strings I'd like to see in Smash, think Zoro in One Piece, but open her attacks with the swift Itoryu: Battoujutsu/Iaijutsu style I suggest.

I dunno man, it's disappointing to know that these things won't happen. At this rate, I should just make my own game...

Anyway, Caeda would be strange without a horse imo, Micaiah as I said is a rather unintersting mage to me, and Lucina, as much as I like her design, she's essentially Marth.




To the guy who said Lyn would compete with Goroh and Takamaru (couldn't find your post).

Takamaru uses ranged weapons as well as a Katana and his sword style is Kendo (sword is always drawn), Lyn (under the style I'd like to see) doesn't at all, and her style is Battoujustsu (sword is only drawn for quick lethal moves).

And Goroh isn't a cute girl.

Righty-o, Habanero. I wasn't all that interested in Lyn, but Manly showed me how she can be a standout character and would make me at least want to try her out AND BUY THE GAME.

Off topic, but I'd love if Final Destination's song had a tone similar to this.

Jesus, as if I couldn't be any more hyped for Chrono Phantasma... That game needs to come out already. One thing though, as awesome as the OST is, I dslike what they did to Noel's theme, Bullet Dance. My favorite part of the song was that powerful intro with the Heavy Guitar riffs, and the Baroque Era Violins, that chorus always felt kinda bland to me, but the intro made up for it 'Oh so very much.' I'm a sucker for that mix between Baroque Classical Music and Heavy Metal.

To the casual gamer, a swordsman is a swordsman is a swordsman, at least generally. I'd far rather have someone use a spear or an axe than have another swordsman. Obviously you can make them have entirely different stats and movesets, but visually its still a swordsman and another swordsman, which looks lazy and boring.

Casual gamers are dumb then. Saying a Western Sword Style is like an Eastern one is like saying Axes and Lances are the same thing; or better yet, that Boxing and Karate are the same thing. In fact, Western Swords and Eastern Swords are only similar under the fact that they are a bladed weapon with a hilt and a sheath. Under that pretense then I suppose Axes and Machetes are the same thing, or Handguns and Rifles. Even in the East alone, there is a HUGE difference between Chinese Swords and Japanese Katanas and their use. In fact, just in Japan alone you have a huge diversity in the different combat styles found in swords, so much so you could make an entire fighting game JUST out of Japanese swords styles (and there have been such games, manga and anime). Your point is invalid.

 

[Frostwraith]

Saying all swordsmen are equal because they use a sword is pure ignorance.

Even as a 11 year old child, I noticed differences on Link's and Marth's playstyles when I played Melee, judging by the A-moves only.

 

[ChronoBound]

The only female characters I see as plausible for Smash 4 are Palutena, Dixie Kong, Krystal, and maaaybe Toon Zelda orImpa (as a last minute Zelda clone newcomer). Of these, Palutena is the only one I see as likely (with Dixie Kong's chances being 50/50, and the others even lower than that). Sakurai might opt for somone more "out there" for a female newcomer (think Zero Suit Samus, as someone who barely anyone asked for yet is still relevant to their franchise) if he feels too humble about using Palutena (probably Mona from WarioWare).

 

[Metal Overlord]

I think casuals would care less about the fact that there are multiple sword users and more on which one they actually like to play as the most

 

[Frostwraith]

@Metal Overlord: Agreed. Just because there are multiple sword users, it doesn't make the roster less varied. Let's check Brawl: Marth, Meta Knight, Ike and Link all use swords, yet play very differently. Even Toon Link, who's a Link clone, also has some different moves from Link.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I agree. Besides, Namco made Soul Calibur. Thinking of different sort of movesets with swords should be no problem at all.

 

[Deleted member]

Exactly. Hell, just look at Soul Calibur. That game is nothing BUT sword users, or The Last Blade on the NeoGeo, same thing, yet the characters in those games manage to be plenty diverse. Trying to limit the number of sword users because you feel it should mitigate to one's personal cliches is rather selfish.

Anyway, as kikaru said. Don't blame the game or the fans themselves. Blame the modern media and devs like Intelligent Systems and Monolith Soft for always making their protagonists Sword Wielding pretty boys. Sure there are plenty more weapons out there, but everyone seems to latch on to swords for some reason.

 

[lobotheduck21]

Does Nintendo have any trident users... Cause a trident would be awesome and I can only think of one fighting game with a trident user (injustice gods among us)

 

[ChronoBound]

Does Nintendo have any trident users... Cause a trident would be awesome and I can only think of one fighting game with a trident user (injustice gods among us)

Ganon. I made a moveset for Ganondorf with him using Ganon's trident.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ganondorf could use a trident. But it's kind of a stretch, as only Beast Ganon used it