Rhubarbo's Character List

[Rhubarbo]

Brawl must be one of the most speculated games to ever be speculated...so I thought that I would join in. I compiled a character list that I believe is quite compelling. Enjoy it, rate it, applaud it, flame it.


Instead of listing each character indivivually, I will just say all the 23 (counting ZSS) characters currently on the Dojo.

Mario Newcomers: Bowser Jr. Probability rating 6.5/10
DK got his nephew Diddy, so Bowser might get his son. He might have the ability to turn into Shadow Mario, most likely as a Final Smash if Shadow Mario even makes it as part of him. Hid odds are decent. I

Zelda Newcomers: Y.Link (WW and PH motif) Probability rating 7.5/10
Cel Link is the beast replacement for Y.Link. His model has appeared in every recent Zelda game except for TP. He can have an easy moveset, and deserves a spot. Note: His name is Y.Link because Cel Link sounds awkward.

Wolf Link+Midna Probability rating 6/10
He appeared in one game and is yet another incarnation of Link, but there is Midna. Could Midna possibly be in without Wolf Link? Who knows?

Metroid Newcomers: Ridley Probability rating 8/10
I don't know too much about Ridley because I have yet to finish a Metroid game. What I do know is that people complain he's too big. He can easily be re-sized. I also know he is a popular Metroid character, so he does deserve to make it. If size is such a big issue, maybe Meta Ridley will make it?

Fire Emblem Newcomers: Michaiah Probability rating 7.5/10
I know next to nothing about her beacuse I have yet to play Radiant Dawn. She is female, which is a bonus, doesn't use swords, another bonus, she doesn't have Blue hair (bumbs her odds up a lot lol). Expect her in as a new FE newcomer.

Pokemon Newcomers: Lucario Probability rating 5/10
He is pretty much the new Mewtwo. If he makes it in Mewtwo might not. Has a pretty easy moveset to make, had his own movie, humanoid shape. Not much more to say here.

Fox Newcomers: Krystal Probability rating 9/10
She's new, she's a chick, has an easy moveset to make, and has her voice actor confirmed. She'll be in.

Animal Crossing Newcomers: Animal Crosser probability rating 8.5/10. Probability of Animal Crossing character 9.5/10.
Animal Crosser is the most likely candidate for the AC series. He/she maybe generic, but could represent you. Maybe you can upload your AC character form the DS version, customize the character (not in moves but appearance). AC will get a characer, almost 100%.

DS Newcomers: ? Probability of a newcomer for the series 8.5/10
Dr.Lobe can be in from Big Brain Academy, a Mii could make it, who knows?

New Series:
Pikmin: Captain Olimar Probability Rating 9/10
Golden Sun: Isaac Probability rating 8.5/10
Cutom Robo: Ray 01 Probability rating 7.5/10
Olimar is almost a shoe in. Isaac represents one of most popular new GBA series, and the Ray 01 is in because CR deserves a rep.

Returing Vets:

Jiggly Puff Probability rating 9/10
She's cute, popular, and awesome to beat foe with.

C.Falcon Probability rating 9.9/10
Show ya moves!

Luigi Probability rating 9.8/10
Mario havine a Luigi costume in the demo gave me a bit of a scare

Ganondorf Probability rating 9.5/10
He's cute, popular, and awesome to beat a foe with.

Sheik Probabilty rating 8.5/10
Many complain that she is from OoT. So is Din's fire, but TP Zelda uses it.

Falco Probabilty rating 8/10
He can have a new moveset based on his new design.

G&W Probabilty raing 8/10
He is unique and practically Nintendo's first character.


Axed Characters:

Ness Axation probabilty 9/10
Lucas was supposed to replace him in Melee, apparently he was also intended for the original. Ness, make way for your blonde pal.

Dr.Mario Axation probabilty 9.9/10
He was a rushed addition to begin with. He may not be "identical" to Mario as fanboys blabber on about, but he is way too similar. He is out.

Young Link Axation probabilty 9.5/10 in current form. Can be reworked with masks moveset, but is highly doubted.
Cel Link replaces him.

Pichu Axation probabilty 0/10
He's already in as Pikachu

Mewtwo Axation probabilty 5/10
If he makes it in, Lucario won't. If Lucario makes it in, he won't.

Marth Axation probability 5/10
Ike has most of his moves, he is older, and Fire Emblem always has new lords coming in. However, he is being included in Fire Emblem DS, so hid odds are boosted. If he makes it in Michaih might not.

Roy Axation probability 9.5/10
He was in Melee as a promotion for his new game, he appeared in only one game, Marth, Ike, Michaih and many others out rank him.

Summarizing my list here it goes:

23 Dojo characters
Bowser Jr.
Y.Link (Cel Link)
Wolf Link+Midna
Ridley
Michaih/Marth
Lucario/Mewtwo
Krystal
AC Character
Mii/Dr.Lobe?
Cpatain Olimar
Isaac
Ray01
Jiggs
C.Falcon
Luigi
Ganondorf
Sheik
Falco
G&W

My total is 42 characters including ZSS and Sheik but making Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard 1. If you include the three Pokemon, my list has 44 characters.

Note: Characters with "/" are one or the other.

 

[Mini Mic]

nice list, though I don't really want WW Link I still like it. Nice and diverse

 

[Mr.Victory07]

Pretty average list, but the WW link isnt too popular an idea
And why cant there be 5 pokemon reps? Its one of nintendo's best selling franchises

 

[MysticKenji]

I have never been able to comprehend why people think Lucario and Mewtwo are interchangeable.

Also, Ike does not have Marth's moves. Lurk moar.

Oh, and there is no DS character.

 

[XACE-K]

There will be no AC character.

 

[Red&Silver]

as soon as i read WW link in and lucario taking mewtwos place(wth there 100% diffrent from eachother one is a steel/fighter and the other is pyschic)and eww that 2 inch thing from that boring game i 100% hate this list

 

[vesperview]

OK, so you think Krystal has more chance than Falco, you think Lucario is Mewtwo's replacement, You think Midna should be with Wolf Link, you don't have any more DK or Mother newcomers, you think Animal Crossing has 9.5 chance of getting a rep, you think Dr Lobe has 8.5 percent chance and that a Mii from the Wii will represent the DS Icon? hahaha, Fail!

 

[Rubydragon]

Pretty nice list, though I wish K. Rool was in it.

And vesper, what's the big deal about Mother? I'm pretty sure a three game series will have one, maybe two characters at most. Though this may insult your tastes a little bit, it isn't exactly the next 'Mario', 'Zelda', or 'Polemon'...

 

[verrader]

*points to sig*

You're missing a few.

 

[vesperview]

Pretty nice list, though I wish K. Rool was in it.

And vesper, what's the big deal about Mother? I'm pretty sure a three game series will have one, maybe two characters at most. Though this may insult your tastes a little bit, it isn't exactly the next 'Mario', 'Zelda', or 'Polemon'...

I agree with two characters, if you were trying to start an argument by "insulting my tastes" I would at least suggest you have an idea of what my tastes are, the Mother series deserves two reps, unless you give me a better reason than it's not the next Mario or Zelda, you have no business arguing with me

 

[y3nia659]

I love it I didn't know Ike had Marth's moves, thanks for that too

 

[Mogrika]

I love it I didn't know Ike had Marth's moves, thanks for that too

Ike doesn't have Marth's moves, they are clearly different.

 

[MarthTrinity]

I love it I didn't know Ike had Marth's moves, thanks for that too

From what I've heard he doesn't...he has Counter and that's about it (I mean they both use swords and have blue hair, that's about it...). Also, from the reports Ike plays NOTHING like Marth...I may be wrong but I wouldn't count Marth as axed...and I certainly don't see why Fire Emblem can't have three reps.

 

[bluebomber22]

no mega man? or additional 3rd parties? PHAIL

 

[MysticKenji]

I love it I didn't know Ike had Marth's moves, thanks for that too

I have never been able to comprehend why people think Lucario and Mewtwo are interchangeable.

Also, Ike does not have Marth's moves. Lurk moar.

Oh, and there is no DS character.

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[WindSquirrel]

ABSOLUTE FAIL for cutting Mewtwo out


In terms of coolness, epicness, etc.

Mewtwo >>>> Lucario

 

[Darkraid]

I like your list but I think WW Link won't be in. Because Sakurai doesn't want a same character appearing more than once. IE Dr. Mario.

 

[Rhubarbo]

Okay, for one let me clear up issus about Marth. Ike has 2 of his moves identical. Marth might get a new moveset, but I think he will have to compete with Michaih for the second FE spot. There will not be more than 2 FE characters. Stop bashing Olimar, he's awesome. Pokemon technically already has 4 reps. With Jiggs almost being certain, that's five. Mewtwo will have to duke it out with Lucario. I'm indifferenct about Geno. If MOTHER got another rep it would be Claus (whoever the heck that is). K.Rool might get in, but he isn't on my list. Cel Link is the most recent incarnation of Link and will likely make it.
YES, KRYYSTAL HAS BETTER ODDS THAN FALCO!

 

[MarthTrinity]

I'm sorry for bothering you about the whole Marth thing, but I (and about 40+ others alone from the Marth support thread) disagree. And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a jerk and pester your roster, but I'm just curious why Marth is a coin-flip. About the moves, I'm pretty sure (not entirely) that only Ike's Down-B is the same as Marth's, and from what the people who played Brawl said, it's more like Roy's. Marth's Neutral-B is a chargable sword slash (which breaks the rival's shield) while Ike's is a move where he plunges his blade into the ground and sends lava (or is it magma...?) at the enemy. Ike's Up-B has him tossing his sword up into the air, leaping up after it and coming straight down. More like Kirby's move then Marth's. And from what I've heard, Ike's Side-B is a rushing strike that's similar to Pika's headbutt (in a way I guess,) obviously very different than Marth's Side-B. All in all, I commend you for making a thread and speaking your opinion, after all it is exactly that; your opinion. I'm not here to say, "YOU CUT MARTH?! YOUR ROSTER IS FAIL!" just here to give you a view of some other Smash players ideas. Sorry for the long rant ^^; (Hope I did the Marth Support Thread justice O_o; )

 

[vesperview]

YES, KRYYSTAL HAS BETTER ODDS THAN FALCO!

She SO does not! Falco is far more important to Star Fox than Krystal.

 

[d0c926]

I like this list but u should add an third party rep

 

[MysticKenji]

Okay, for one let me clear up issus about Marth. Ike has 2 of his moves identical. Marth might get a new moveset, but I think he will have to compete with Michaih for the second FE spot. There will not be more than 2 FE characters. Stop bashing Olimar, he's awesome. Pokemon technically already has 4 reps. With Jiggs almost being certain, that's five. Mewtwo will have to duke it out with Lucario. I'm indifferenct about Geno. If MOTHER got another rep it would be Claus (whoever the heck that is). K.Rool might get in, but he isn't on my list. Cel Link is the most recent incarnation of Link and will likely make it.
YES, KRYYSTAL HAS BETTER ODDS THAN FALCO!

1. Nothing is stopping FE from having 3 characters. Add both. Also, what two moves are you talking about?
2. No one was bashing Olimar.
3. PT IS ONE CHARACTER. Add both

Spoiler

or just Mewtwo

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Also, get rid of the DS and AC characters and Wolf Link (Midna is fine by herself)

 

[SpitFire15]

Bowser Jr.? WW Link? Midna held down by the wolf? That big lame brain from Big Brain Academy? MIIS?! Yeah, I hate this list.


Also, Mario's GREEN ON BROWN color scheme means absolutely nothing to Luigi's GREEN ON BLUE color scheme. And why does Mewtwo have to be cut? I never like him, but he was very unique, and a good punching bag.

 

[bballstar23]

There will be no AC character.

I have never been able to comprehend why people think Lucario and Mewtwo are interchangeable.

Also, Ike does not have Marth's moves. Lurk moar.

Oh, and there is no DS character.

How can you claim that either of those won't be in?

 

[MysticKenji]

How can you claim that either of those won't be in?

Simple. The DS is not a game, therefore it cannot have a character.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

agree with most of your list...missing a few characters....but otherwise ok.

There could very easily be an ac rep and DS rep, DS could be represented by any Nintendo DS Game that sakurai decided to make them represent the DS. (Kawashimi, prof. lobe) and an ac rep may not be in as a serious fighter but as a joke/comic relief fighter.

 

[Gotann]

I like your list but I think WW Link won't be in. Because Sakurai doesn't want a same character appearing more than once. IE Dr. Mario.

Are you sure he really said that? I'm pretty sure he said that there'd be no clones....>.>
He may have meant that there'd no characters that play the same anymore.., but Dr.Mario pretty much destroys that Theory a little.

Oh and nice list Rhubarbo. ^.^

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

She SO does not! Falco is far more important to Star Fox than Krystal.

Who cares? FFS they both could be in.

 

[Chaosblade77]

How can you claim that either of those won't be in?

The only reason people support an AC or DS character is because of the icon theory, which is technically true with some alterations. Basically all that can be said for the in this case is that "The icon represents something that will be in game." Basically, DS and AC got a stage (and useless AT in the case of AC) and have icon representation for that.

Animal Crossing may be a popular Nintendo series, but just look at the game, how would any character from that game fit in the Smash Bros universe as playable? The game is meant to be a peaceful life simulation game, and with that said, I am surprised it got a stage. Sure you could come up with movesets for the villager, but it wouldn't fit him at all to have such a place in Brawl. It would be worse than what they did to Ike.

As far as a "DS" character, it completely defies all logic. If that logic is used to say it gets a character, then how come Ice Climbers and Pit don't have a NES icon since it is the only system they appeared on, for example?

 

[Sabrewulf238]

agree with most of your list...missing a few characters....but otherwise ok.

There could very easily be an ac rep and DS rep, DS could be represented by any Nintendo DS Game that sakurai decided to make them represent the DS. (Kawashimi, prof. lobe) and an ac rep may not be in as a serious fighter but as a joke/comic relief fighter.

but it wouldn't fit him at all to have such a place in Brawl

The developers can easily make him fit, I love the ac series and it's characters but I'm not worried about they're peacefulness, heck I've seen them walking around kindly chatting to each other long enough now that I want to kick butt with one of them, it's time for the Ac series to show it's tough side!

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

The only reason people support an AC or DS character is because of the icon theory, which is technically true with some alterations. Basically all that can be said for the in this case is that "The icon represents something that will be in game." Basically, DS and AC got a stage (and useless AT in the case of AC) and have icon representation for that.

Animal Crossing may be a popular Nintendo series, but just look at the game, how would any character from that game fit in the Smash Bros universe as playable? The game is meant to be a peaceful life simulation game, and with that said, I am surprised it got a stage. Sure you could come up with movesets for the villager, but it wouldn't fit him at all to have such a place in Brawl. It would be worse than what they did to Ike.

As far as a "DS" character, it completely defies all logic. If that logic is used to say it gets a character, then how come Ice Climbers and Pit don't have a NES icon since it is the only system they appeared on, for example?

I agree 100%

 

[Rhubarbo]

Don't dish on the AC series not having a rep. If you looke carefully in today's training update, the Soccer Ball presumably from AC was confirmed. That's yet another item. Now, another point is why would AC get it's own icon if it didn't have a playable character. The Devil and Dr.Wright have the Smash icon, the AC stage and item would have had the smash icon. And, if fighting is the issue, look at C.Falcon. Never fought, just raced...Ice Climbers climbed a mountaind...G&W caught oil, Fox piloted a ship.

BTW, I never knew how Ike's neutral B worked. Alright, I guess Marth chances improve again. I wouldn't mind 3 FE reps, love the series actually.

 

[vesperview]

Just because there's an icon doesn't mean they'll be a character.

 

[Chaosblade77]

Don't dish on the AC series not having a rep. If you looke carefully in today's training update, the Soccer Ball presumably from AC was confirmed. That's yet another item.

Actually I believe that soccer ball is in via Mario Sports series. Could be wrong though.

Now, another point is why would AC get it's own icon if it didn't have a playable character. The Devil and Dr.Wright have the Smash icon, the AC stage and item would have had the smash icon. And, if fighting is the issue, look at C.Falcon. Never fought, just raced...Ice Climbers climbed a mountaind...G&W caught oil, Fox piloted a ship.

Devil and Dr. Wright are also ATs, not stages. A stage includes a lot more than an AT, such as music. There is also an AC assist trophy.

To compare to Falcon and Fox, both of them had back stories and Fox is out of his ship in later games (although he wasn't before the original Smash Bros, I give you that). Falcon was already a professional bounty hunter, so he would obviously have fighting skills there of some kind. I don't really know anything about Ice Climbers or Game and Watch, I never liked either of them XD.

But that doesn't make the point about the AC character though, I still think the villager would be completely out of place if he/she were fighting...

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Don't dish on the AC series not having a rep. If you looke carefully in today's training update, the Soccer Ball presumably from AC was confirmed. That's yet another item. Now, another point is why would AC get it's own icon if it didn't have a playable character. The Devil and Dr.Wright have the Smash icon, the AC stage and item would have had the smash icon. And, if fighting is the issue, look at C.Falcon. Never fought, just raced...Ice Climbers climbed a mountaind...G&W caught oil, Fox piloted a ship.

BTW, I never knew how Ike's neutral B worked. Alright, I guess Marth chances improve again. I wouldn't mind 3 FE reps, love the series actually.

That soccer ball could be from Super mario Strikers for all you know. All those other characters have fighting potential. Animal Crossers are peaceful and not really of the violent nature. Get over it

 

[MysticKenji]

Things Rhubarbo still needs to do:
Remove M2 and Marth from the axed character list
Remove DS character period
Remove Wolf Link from Midna.

Sounds right.

 

[Rhubarbo]

I'm being REALLY bugged by people who think that AC will not get a character because it is "too peaceful". Zelda herself never fought, ever, prior to the Smash series.
+In AC you can hit villagers in the head with an axe XD!

 

[Superninjabreadman]

No Picktures?




NO LIEK!

 

[Rhubarbo]

Please don't judge my list because of the lack of pictures...

 

[Rhubarbo]

BUMP Oh yeah