Rethinking the roster

[Corax The Cold]

you have to remember, nintendo is going to go with more obscure nintendo characters, or less obscure 3rd party characters, they wouldn't wase money on a WTF 3rd party character

 

[Bassoonist]

I don't have to rethink my roster. I never thought either of them had a chance. Especially not Waluigi, I knew he didn't have a chance at all. I've been saying it for months now.

Next up on the list of ATs is Ashley... if she's even that lucky.

 

[Intercept]

Geno's rights aren't hard to get. At all. They got them for a cameo only a few years ago. They wouldn't have went through any trouble for a minor cameo. Geno's not exactly valuable to Square, they haven't used him since SMRPG. They could probably buy the character for next-to-nothing honestly (by that, I literally mean buy, not just get for the game.) Also, Sakurai has stated he counts Geno as first party. His legal situation isn't that big of a deal.

 

[MFZ95]

i am so mad that Waluigi is disconfirmed,my favorite mario character,MAKE HIM A CHARACTER!

 

[Fandangox]

Let's all talk big.

ok....................

 

[RedMage8BT]

I don't have to rethink my roster. I never thought either of them had a chance. Especially not Waluigi, I knew he didn't have a chance at all. I've been saying it for months now.

Next up on the list of ATs is Ashley... if she's even that lucky.

This has nothing to do with Stafy or Waluigi themselves. This has to do with characters in a similar situation as they are.

 

[Intercept]

Characters like them? Japan only characters that would be hard to create a good unique moveset for and filler characters? Those 2 groups were never likely.

 

[RedMage8BT]

That never seemed to stop people from adding them to their rosters.

 

[Intercept]

Those people are usually biased though, so it's not like you can talk them out of it.

 

[PRINCESS PEACH777]

Those people are usually biased though, so it's not like you can talk them out of it.

yes i agree

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

I feel that Friday's update was good for two things: 1.Shutting up Waluigi supporters 2.Finding out how to spell "Stafy"

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

i am so mad that Waluigi is disconfirmed,my favorite mario character,MAKE HIM A CHARACTER!

ok....................

Turns out you can use quotes to speak for yourself.

 

[Postito]

This topic is insane. Where is all the Takamaru support?

He's an obvious choice. Stafy being an AT hardly affects his chances. His move pool was pretty limited.

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

This topic is insane. Where is all the Takamaru support?

He's an obvious choice. Stafy being an AT hardly affects his chances. His move pool was pretty limited.

So was Captain Falco- nevermind.

Takamaru looks like an AT, as well as Sukapon, and a bunch of other Japan only characters.

 

[KrystalRules]

your right(reply to first page)

 

[Fandangox]

Turns out you can use quotes to speak for yourself.

we sure can HIGH FIVE!!!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

With Waluigi in the garbage, I guess the best remaining Mario newcomer has to be Bowser Jr.. At least he played a big role in a non-sports game (Super Mario Sunshine).

 

[Yukiwarashi]

Takamaru looks like an AT despite the fact that we already have two samurai AT? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Let's just add another sword wielding AT. It's not like Lyn, Samurai Goroh and that Saki guy weren't enough.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

I never really placed Stafy or Waluigi on my rosters. I think I put Stafy like, once in a roster. I don't even remember if I kept him on, if I posted in that thread at all, or erased him for someone else. So meh. The only character I've put in a roster that's been AT'd are Lyn and Goroh. Saki seemed like a good idea though. So... not much to rethink.

Recap: Any idiot with a single neurone could've of taken that neurone, split it, rub both halves together, and anticipate Waluigi's fate. No brainer at all.

 

[Intercept]

Again, the reason Stafy didn't make it in was most likely limited moveset potential. Only people who are stars of major franchises have had movesets made up for them.

I do agree about the spelling thing though, hopefully we'll see something about Sukapon to clear up his name. I'm praying for it to be Sukapon personally, Skapon sounds stupid to me.

Also, Jr. was always far more likely than Waluigi. Jr. is in the spin-offs and the main games, where Waluigi was invented purely for spin-offs.

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

It's not going to make me rethink my roster. I always new they wouldn't be playable. In fact, the only two characters I thought would be playable that were de-confirmed as items were Deoxys and Samurai Goroh.

 

[Black/Light]

I agree that Geno seems more like a AT than a character. Perfect role IMO seeing as we have soo few (only ONE or TWO) 3rd party spots left and Mega man is all but confirmed for it. Stafy didn't have a limated move-set. . . .look at vids of his game please. Im dissapointed with his at-ness cause I hoped being a character would have the whole FE reaction and bring the series site side but oh well.

 

[hungrybum]

i hate how people don't mix ATs and pokeballs, they're the same!
Deoxys, Munchlax and Meowth should be as recognised as Saki, Excite Bike and Lakitu IMO

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

Excitebike and Munchlax? Eh... ok. Whatever you considered.

 

[hungrybum]

Excitebike and Munchlax? Eh... ok. Whatever you considered.

simple easy to find wtf exemples ! that's right

 

[Intercept]

Well, the whole point of limiting 3rd-party characters is because Smash is supposed to be a game of Nintendo characters. Geno has only appeared on Nintendo systems and in a Mario game. He doesn't really count towards 3rd-party characters.

I forgot to mention the Pokeballs earlier. There was a reasonable demand for Deoxys, but they probably already had PT plus a 4th gen pokemon in mind, so he didn't make the cut.

 

[Black/Light]

Well, the whole point of limiting 3rd-party characters is because Smash is supposed to be a game of Nintendo characters. Geno has only appeared on Nintendo systems and in a Mario game. He doesn't really count towards 3rd-party characters.

There was never a "point" to limating 3rd party characters other than the fact that they probly don't want to spend all the time and money it takes to make W/E 3rd party characters. Maybe 3rd party characters are like Pokemon or LoZ as series. . . as in, they simpley want to limate the number out of fairness. Geno really does count as a 3rd party character btw.

But well we are on the topic, does anyone actually know what goes into making a 3rd party character (no one knows. . .)? Does a 3rd party accept Nintendo's invite only if the price is right or if they think they could get something out of it? Is money even a facture in the first place? Both parties are bond to get something out of the deal if they use a popular character. . . .Sonic and Snake alone are enuff to boost sells with their respective fan-bases and more nintendo fans might start getting interested in those series after brawl. Would a 3rd party or Nintendo want to waste a 3rd party spot on something that wouldn't benofit either party like, say, Geno or one of Ray man's Rabbits? Very tricky topic. . . can't wait to hear some higher up detail what went into w/e 3rd party being in brawl.

But yeah, Geno counts as a 3rd party pick. . . just not a "good" 3rd party pick.

 

[Intercept]

Sakurai stated he doesn't count Geno as a 3rd party character, so.... he doesn't count. I'm pretty sure in some instances they just have to ask, but others involve money (for some reason, even though it benefits both parties.)

 

[Black/Light]

Sakurai stated he doesn't count Geno as a 3rd party character, so.... he doesn't count. I'm pretty sure in some instances they just have to ask, but others involve money (for some reason, even though it benefits both parties.)

Link to Sakurai saying that this character owned by S/E is'nt a 3rd party please.
people say this but can never seem to prove it. . .

And if you want to point at the melee polls than Geno IS a mario character. . . but he is still a 3rd party because SE owns him. He just only appeared in Mario games and aint been used by S/E cause S/E doesn't care about him.

 

[Boofer]

I don't think Geno's a definite either way. He could be an AT because he's not really important to the series, but he could be a PC because of his shear popularity. Not so sure whether he's considered a 3rd party or 1st party. My guess is that he's both, but he'll no doubt have the Mario symbol.

As for my roster, it makes me question Lucario's chances because Lucario is not really important to the pokemon series. But then again, thanks to Black/Light I've already been questioning his chances. We don't really need another Pokemon rep, though I'd like one. One thing that confuses me is that new rumor about Lucario replacing Mewtwo (which I don't think should happen even though I'm a Lucario supporter). If it came true, I would question how big of a factor these roles play. But yeah, if it's not both of them, it should definitely be Mewtwo over Lu.

It also makes me question Claus, but mostly because I don't know much about him. I support him because I like the character, but i've never played an Earthbound/Mother game. I question him because I'm unsure of whether the franchise is big enough to deserve another rep. I didn't even know it existed until I played as Ness in SSB.

This also makes me question a few characters that aren't on my own roster. Takamaru and Sukapon. Two characters that I've never heard of before coming to Smashboards. I'm guessing these two are Japanese only? Well, these two seem like they could be ATs. I admit though, I expect some WTF characters that we probably would have assumed would be AT's or not in the game at all.

All this AT talk makes me wonder about the size of the total roster. Maybe we'll see a smaller roster than what most were predicting.

 

[Intercept]

Well really, pokemon generally aren't more important than one another. It's usually just popularity. Jigglypuff for instance, isn't important at all, but is very popular.

I didn't say Geno wasn't 3rd-party, I said Sakurai doesn't count him as 3rd-party. If he's a Mario character and they got him for a small unnecessary cameo a few years ago, he's not that hard to get. I believe Sakurai said that when he was talking about various characters in response to e-mails, but I'm not sure. I've seen it before, but it's been a long time.

As for Sukapon and Takamaru, they could easily be WTF characters. Not to us obviously, but to pretty much anyone else. The first time you saw a picture of Sukapon, WTF was probably what you thought.

As for roster size, Sakurai so far seems like he's leaning towards expanding series that are already in Smash. He also may be adding characters from new series, so we could still end up with a pretty good sized roster.

 

[Boofer]

Well really, pokemon generally aren't more important than one another. It's usually just popularity. Jigglypuff for instance, isn't important at all, but is very popular.

Yeah, I guess that's pretty much true. I'd say that popularity and importance go hand in hand for pokemon, because there really aren't "set in stone" main characters (in the games) besides the trainer UNLESS the anime is taken as a factor. And even then, it's still kinda based on popularity, so I'm still unsure of where Lucario stands as a pokemon rep. Either way, I think that Mewtwo should remain a rep because of his reputation of being the badass evil pokemon AND his popularity.

btw, I know Black/Light will comment on this subject

 

[Griffard]

I completely agree.

qft

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