arrowhead
Smash Ace
i started from somewhere above the blast line and i just grabbed the edge. what am i doing wrong? 
can you show a vid of your AR thingy?
can you show a vid of your AR thingy?
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Recovery Tier List
- Thread starter mood4food77
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MaskedMarth
Smash Ace
Make sure you jump immediately after each upward pound. You're probably losing just a little height during each jump, which adds up to a lot.
mood4food77
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sorry, track meet today
no, i will not create a god tier just for jiggs, sorry, only if she was heavier (like, falco's weight) i would do that
why ganon so high, he can come back from anything, he's like samus, hits at 120 don't bother him
sheik's recovery sucks, it doesn't ride the stage and her horizontal sucks
pichu's only reason for being above pika is the fact he can ride the stage and pika can't, other than that, they're equal, except taht pika is harder to edgegaurd cause he hurts with his up b and pichu doesn't, their up b's go the same length and their forward b's go the same lenght for the same damage (like they'll both go equally as far for both doing 12% with it)
other than that, i think the only changes that needs to be made are in the middle and high tiers
lied, not gonna edit it now, comp is making it a pain in the butt right now
no, i will not create a god tier just for jiggs, sorry, only if she was heavier (like, falco's weight) i would do that
why ganon so high, he can come back from anything, he's like samus, hits at 120 don't bother him
sheik's recovery sucks, it doesn't ride the stage and her horizontal sucks
pichu's only reason for being above pika is the fact he can ride the stage and pika can't, other than that, they're equal, except taht pika is harder to edgegaurd cause he hurts with his up b and pichu doesn't, their up b's go the same length and their forward b's go the same lenght for the same damage (like they'll both go equally as far for both doing 12% with it)
other than that, i think the only changes that needs to be made are in the middle and high tiers
lied, not gonna edit it now, comp is making it a pain in the butt right now
Magus420
Smash Master
Also, after you've used the first mid-air jump, you can auto jump perfectly out of each pound if you're holding one of the jump buttons or up. Another thing you should be doing to get the most out of it is to do the pounds before the peak of each jump. If you do it too late in the jump you dip a bit before the pound actually gets you going and lose a small amount of height.
Mood4Food, you keep wanting to make this a survivability list. Go ahead and rename it if that's what you want, lol. Pichu also has more angle options on the up-b than Pikachu does btw.
Mood4Food, you keep wanting to make this a survivability list. Go ahead and rename it if that's what you want, lol. Pichu also has more angle options on the up-b than Pikachu does btw.
mood4food77
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trust me, i'm not
what takes into effect is how good a character can recover, how easily they're edgegaurded, how well they can make it back from teh edgegaurd, weight to recovery ratio, and everything else, if i wanted surviveability, samus and ganon would win by a lot
what takes into effect is how good a character can recover, how easily they're edgegaurded, how well they can make it back from teh edgegaurd, weight to recovery ratio, and everything else, if i wanted surviveability, samus and ganon would win by a lot
I can't under stand how you can think Doctor Mario is that low, his recovery is excellent if used right. Forward pills, down b for vertical, cape, second jump, and then up b.... He has a much better recovery than some on that list. This list IMO, is very weak.
mood4food77
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he's heavy, that's what saves him, his recovery sucks, him and mario have one of the worst jumps, his up b doesn't go very far, his cap isn't the greatest, it takes fast hands to make his down b really useful, yea it pretty much sucks
samus' vertical recovery isn't taht great, and projectiles do own her recovery, it messes up her timing
mewtwo can make the hyrule jump much, much easier than samus and the fact that he can do an air move and gain more height is also a big plus
samus' vertical recovery isn't taht great, and projectiles do own her recovery, it messes up her timing
mewtwo can make the hyrule jump much, much easier than samus and the fact that he can do an air move and gain more height is also a big plus
Wow.. so are you basing this how good someone is, cause you said it takes good hands to pull it off. And it's actually quite simple. His Up goes just as far Sheiks, and it has the ability to knock of edge hoggers at the same time. I' play a good doc that can recover from very far off the stage because of doc's recovery. I don't feel someone who's been playing smash for a little bit over a year has the right to judge who has the best recovery or not.
ChozenOne
Smash Champion
How dare you...
arrowhead
Smash Ace
how does weight to recovery ratio have to do with how good a character's recovery is?
I suggest if you're going to make an "Official" Recovery List. That you have a group of people. For one person to decide who has a better recovery than someone else is really dumb. Thats why they have a panel for the Tier List, the power rankings, and other sorts. For 1 person to do this is really GAY.
ChozenOne
Smash Champion
Jiggs for God Tier..
*pound*
*pound*
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
M4F, put reasons as to WHY certain characters are where they are so that you wont have to restate the same hings OVER AND OVER again. This list is practically perfect IMO (ecxept for the no jiggs god tier thingy 
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)ChozenOne
Smash Champion
*pound *This list is practically perfect IMO (ecxept for the no jiggs god tier thingy
Xx GuNz xX
Smash Journeyman
The less they weigh generally means the more effective their DI is. Ex, Jiggs.
Xx GuNz xX
Smash Journeyman
Don't compromise for smaller ... Jiggs will have his God Tier ... *Evil laugh*
petre
Smash Lord
i have to agree, jiggy for god tier!
arrowhead
Smash Ace
weight does not correlate with DI. weight should only be a factor when you consider getting hit while recovering, but it shouldn't count that much even then cause most likely, you'd be dead. and that comment didn't answer why he's doing weight to recovery ratio.The less they weigh generally means the more effective their DI is. Ex, Jiggs.
jiggs really needs a god tier. her recovery far outstrips everyone else's
i like how this guy thinks
Y'know... For a director, you sure do spam alot =P
I'd say this list is pretty much perfected, maybe you could maybe another one for overall chance of surviving =P (this would be different cause light characters would go down >.>)
Also, can we stop the rant about jiggly needing a god tier? We've already established and gone over the fast that her recovery owns, and we all know how good it is, so why have a good page or so worth of posts requesting a new tier when we already know where she stands?
stingers
Smash Obsessed
I think Luigi should be higher...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnJrht4HP2I
Seconds 00:24-00:45
And, well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVtVxhzNDc4
All of that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnJrht4HP2I
Seconds 00:24-00:45
And, well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVtVxhzNDc4
All of that.
yea dude now i hav 1000 posts. thou i really wanted to hav 999 forever...
and stingers, i think that that was more of a survivability and coolness factor with luigi. in real matches, you woulndt find urself in those positions. i dont even know if we are talking about recovery in general, or recovery in real matches.
and stingers, i think that that was more of a survivability and coolness factor with luigi. in real matches, you woulndt find urself in those positions. i dont even know if we are talking about recovery in general, or recovery in real matches.
ChozenOne
Smash Champion
mood4food77
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ok, i was thinking about it, i'll make jiggs her own tier
ok, from now on, i'll post before i update, like we can pretty much agree taht the list is pretty much set, except for high, mid, and low tier, so what i'll do is i'll post the changes i'm going to make and then you guys say why you like it or not, right now, i'm only gonna explain why i think one character moved, i'll do the rest later, so here it goes
high:
ganon
ICs
mr. g&w
link
mid:
y. link
fox
kirby
ness
zelda
low:
dk
yoshi
bowser
sheik
marth
luigi
why did i put g&w so high, well his has one of the hardest up b's to edgegaurd, it's also the second fastest up b in the game, it can go from below FD and he can still overshoot the ledge, it has pretty high priority (like almost all up b's), and even if he uses it before reachign the stage, he cna be high enough to continue his momentum to the stage, it's also the second best vertical up b in the game (ICs have the first)
now, discuss the rest
ok, from now on, i'll post before i update, like we can pretty much agree taht the list is pretty much set, except for high, mid, and low tier, so what i'll do is i'll post the changes i'm going to make and then you guys say why you like it or not, right now, i'm only gonna explain why i think one character moved, i'll do the rest later, so here it goes
high:
ganon
ICs
mr. g&w
link
mid:
y. link
fox
kirby
ness
zelda
low:
dk
yoshi
bowser
sheik
marth
luigi
why did i put g&w so high, well his has one of the hardest up b's to edgegaurd, it's also the second fastest up b in the game, it can go from below FD and he can still overshoot the ledge, it has pretty high priority (like almost all up b's), and even if he uses it before reachign the stage, he cna be high enough to continue his momentum to the stage, it's also the second best vertical up b in the game (ICs have the first)
now, discuss the rest
ChozenOne
Smash Champion
*pound* no more spamming. Chozen <3 TNR.
The Cape
Smash Master
Why is Jiggs higher than M2?
Also, for the guy who posted the "Make Luigi higher" vids. He can do the hyrule jump backwards too :-p
Also, for the guy who posted the "Make Luigi higher" vids. He can do the hyrule jump backwards too :-p
ChozenOne
Smash Champion
Cape.. How does your group affiliation say "Smash Scholar"..
Earthbound360
Smash Hero
Because without his midair jump, Mewtwo's recovery isn't as great as Jiggs. Without her jumps, Jigglypuff still has infinite horizontal recovery with rising pounds.
The Cape
Smash Master
However isnt this list about the full recovery of a character? M2 can recover from anywhere, while jiggs has some issues with vertical.
Also, why is GW so high? His recovery blows.
ChozenOne
Smash Champion
The Cape
Smash Master
Because you touch yourself at night :-p
Used to be premium and changed it, and it never changed back.
Wish it said "Dr. Smash" though
ChozenOne
Smash Champion
hmm.. good shizz. Come to Chu's next Bi-weekly. NoVa needs some Cape!!
The Cape
Smash Master
School needs some cape >.>
I just went to Jersey this weekend and I have plans for the next few weekends.
Maybe sometime in the near future Mow and I can come down.
ChozenOne
Smash Champion
*pound *
Pyrostormer
Smash Lord
The survivability factor is pretty important I think when you're recovering...
Jazzy Jinx
♥♪!?
Samus and Link have infinte distance recoveries if used correctly.
ChozenOne
Smash Champion
Your are incorrect sir.