RCO Lag Comprehensive List

[[FBC] ESAM]

I don't think I've made a smashboards thread in like...6 months....BUT THIS IS NECESSARY

I tested every recovery move as every character, and this is the full list of moves that can give a character RCO lag.

up-b
Up-b
up-b
Up-b/Side-b
Up-b
Up-b/Side-b
Up-b
up-b, down-b
Up-b
Up-b
up-b
up-b
up-b
up-b
Up-b/side-b
up-b
up-b
up-b/side-b
up-b
up-b
up-b
up-b 3
up-b 2
up-b 3

There is also a strange tendency for certain moves to have different amounts of RCO lag depending on WHEN they get hit out of the move. I can't pinpoint specific examples besides ZSS which I show in my video on RCO lag. Like compare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXaDSceYApE#t=1m1s

to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXaDSceYApE#t=54s

I'm not sure what characters have this difference, I happened to notice it while recording the video.

So yeah, I feel like this is fairly important and I didn't see any list defining all the characters that experience it, so I decided to make one! If you have any more information on which characters get more/less depending on WHEN they get hit out of their moves, please let me know, i'll add it to the OP.

 

[ZeoLightning]

Hmm this could be cool for PAC

 

[Ulevo]

Meta Knight's Shuttle Loop RCO lag is legitimate, but his Dimensional Cape RCO lag was patched, unless you are referred to a unique instance.

 

[LancerStaff]

Pit's Uspecial has RCO lag? Mind explaining?

 

[Magik0722]

Will it work like in brawl in the situation where you hit them out of their upB then they grab the ledge, will they have the up-B penalty next time they touch the ground as well?

 

[Locke 06]

Mega's utilt has rco lag.

 

[LancerStaff]

Will it work like in brawl in the situation where you hit them out of their upB then they grab the ledge, will they have the up-B penalty next time they touch the ground as well?

Most if not all examples here lose the lag when grabbing the ledge.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

It'd be a good idea to see how much RCO lag is applied for each character. I tested a few and if I did this right, Mario and Luigi Up-B have 15 frames of endlag on a "soft" landing and 30 frames of endlag on a "hard" landing (same as Brawl), while Shulk seems to have 30 frames either way. The distinction is the same as normal landing lag from a jump, like a shorthop; if you're going at/above max normal fall speed when you touch the ground, you have a "hard" landing.

 

[Zapp Branniglenn]

I believe WFT's Header has RCO lag. The move's landing lag is 20, so I assume RCO lag is also 20.

 

[LancerStaff]

The Pit's get differing amounts of lag depending on the velocity they fall at. And I'm not talking about fastfalling either...

Easy enough to test out. Use a side special in the air and hit something, and then land while using a special. That'll store the lag. Then SH, no fastfall, and you'll get a little lag. Jump around pretty much any other way and you'll get hit with the full lag.

Actually, do these mechanics work on other characters? And is there any chance RCO lag is standardized to 15 and 30 frames on most moves?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Actually, do these mechanics work on other characters? And is there any chance RCO lag is standardized to 15 and 30 frames on most moves?

It was in Brawl, at least.

http://smashboards.com/threads/landing-penalty-rco-lag.252451/

 

[erico9001]

Cloud's up b has rco lag

Interesting, pikachu doesn't have rco lag until the end of his first up b. If he gets hit out early on in his first up b no rco lag