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I really hate how people think the witch stage is supposed to be a Banjo hint. Have people seriously never seen a green witch before outside of Banjo-Kazooie?
Yes, because showing a DRAGON themed stage and a WITCH themed stage and the next two fighters happened to be a character from DRAGON Quest and a character who's archenemy is a WITCH aren't coincidences at all /s
 

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You can sign me up as a supporter. Rayman 2 was the first game I ever played and I've been a huge fan of the franchise since then. I'm not sure how likely he is with him being a spirit and all, but I'll root for him nonetheless.

I don't know what stage he would get, considering the Rayman franchise doesn't really have an iconic location that keeps coming back. I think the Hall of Doors might be cool, because you can incorporate hazards from multiple levels.
 
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Yes, because showing a DRAGON themed stage and a WITCH themed stage and the next two fighters happened to be a character from DRAGON Quest and a character who's archenemy is a WITCH aren't coincidences at all /s
I don't understand why you bumped this conversation that ended 4 days ago, but I'm just gonna say again, if you guys believe in those "hints" Sakurai made himself "for some reason", then that's your problem.
 

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I don't understand why you bumped this conversation that ended 4 days ago, but I'm just gonna say again, if you guys believe in those "hints" Sakurai made himself "for some reason", then that's your problem.
Considering we know they were worked on at the same time, it's blatantly obvious they were hints. Wake up and smell the roses. Dunno who burned you in the past, but I don't believe in coincidence.
 
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Considering we know they were worked on at the same time, it's blatantly obvious they were hints. Wake up and smell the roses. Dunno who burned you in the past, but I don't believe in coincidence.
How is it "blatantly obvious" when that dragon "hint" could have been any other franchise that has dragons? Spyro, Monster Hunter, Golden Sun, Skyrim, they all have a dragon in their game one way or another, and those were just some I've listed. I just don't understand how people think these are hints when Smash reveals are supposed to be surprising, not predictable. But once again, if that's what you want to believe in, that's your thing. I just wanted to say my thought about it and explain why I don't think they're hints, and instead think they're just random stages to show of what you can create in stage builder.

Looks like we might be playing as Rayman in Smash Flash soon
I wouldn't be surprised if they held a livestream tomorrow and then released the update right after. They've done that a couple of times before. I'm really hyped to play as Rayman and Waluigi in this update.
 

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I saw this theory posted about Rayman and the Assasin's Creed costume and wanted to see what you guys think of it. To me, it seems a little plausible but I'm not going to get my hopes up very high because of this.
 
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I saw this theory posted about Rayman and the Assasin's Creed costume and wanted to see what you guys think of it. To me, it seems a little plausible but I'm not going to get my hopes up very high because of this.
It sure would seem odd to make a new AC remix just for a costume. I'm feeling we're getting more Ubisoft related content in Smash. I'm not gonna bank 100% on Rayman tho.
 

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It's possible that the remix could be used for a future Assassin's Creed project, but yeah, why would we hear it in a Mii costume montage first? Ubisoft's known for their weird screw ups but still.

Maybe there is something to it.
 

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There are times when music played during Smash Mii Costume trailers that never were in the game like the Chocobo theme and Goemon but unless I'm wrong, every other example aside from Assassin's Creed were the original songs while this one is a remix. So this might lead somewhere very interesting, if you catch my drift (unless it isn't actually a remix, I don't play Assassin's Creed lol).
 
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In any case, I still find it highly conspicuous how a safe AAA Ubi inclusion like Assassin's Creed gets passed over just like that. And it's not like Ubi has a million options either, most of the rest of their stuff doesn't lend itself to Smash quite as easily (except maybe Gods & Monsters, though it'd be a tad redundant), and their Tom Clancy games are licensed ones.

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hi guys, quick question, does some of you think maybe an assassin's creed character might be a possibility? i know Altair is out, but what if not any of the other assassins such as Ezio. if that is something that could happen how would they play? i didn't play Assassin's Creed yet.
 

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hi guys, quick question, does some of you think maybe an assassin's creed character might be a possibility? i know Altair is out, but what if not any of the other assassins such as Ezio. if that is something that could happen how would they play? i didn't play Assassin's Creed yet.
Not for Ultimate, but a Sequel perhaps. History has shown that any New Franchise Rep ends up being a Mii Costume basically Deconfirms an entire Series (ala Assassins Creed introduced in the Mii Costume section), however its not impossible to suggest that there could be a DLC Spirit Board of Ubisoft Brand related content as such with the Remix of the Assassins Creed Theme that has been shown with the Altaïr Mii Costume. We can very well see a Rayman Pack that has Ubisoft Content with similar to Terry Bogard Pack/SNK Content such as:

- Rayman (Playable Fighter)
- Rayman Stage
- 50-Rayman and Ubisoft Music Tracks
- 4-Rayman Mii Costumes & 2-Ubisoft Costumes
- Rayman DLC Spirit Board with:
  • Rayman Spirits: Nymphs, Lyn, Globox, Barbara, Clark, Teensie’s (upgrade to King Teensie), Mr. Dark, Razorbeard & Andre
  • Rabbids
  • Assassins Creed: Altaïr & Ezio
  • Splinter Cell: Sam Fischer
  • Beyond Good & Evil: Jade
 
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Not for Ultimate, but a Sequel perhaps. History has shown that any New Franchise Rep ends up being a Mii Costume basically Deconfirms an entire Series (ala Assassins Creed introduced in the Mii Costume section), however its not impossible to suggest that there could be a DLC Spirit Board of Ubisoft Brand related content as such with the Remix of the Assassins Creed Theme that has been shown with the Altaïr Mii Costume. We can very well see a Rayman Pack that has Ubisoft Content with similar to Terry Bogard Pack/SNK Content such as:

- Rayman (Playable Fighter)
- Rayman Stage
- 50-Rayman and Ubisoft Music Tracks
- 4-Rayman Mii Costumes & 2-Ubisoft Costumes
- Rayman DLC Spirit Board with:
  • Rayman Spirits: Nymphs, Lyn, Globox, Barbara, Clark, Teensie’s (upgrade to King Teensie), Mr. Dark, Razorbeard & Andre
  • Rabbids
  • Assassins Creed: Altaïr & Ezio
  • Splinter Cell: Sam Fischer
  • Beyond Good & Evil: Jade
i have to wonder what music would they use for you're idea, can you give me a concept please?
 

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i have to wonder what music would they use for you're idea, can you give me a concept please?
31-Songs from All Rayman Games from
  • 8-Rayman (1995) Songs with 5-Originals and 3-Remixes
  • 6-Rayman 2 Songs with 4-Originals and 2-Remixes
  • 7-Rayman 3 Songs with 4-Originals and 3-Remixes
  • 5-Rayman Origins Songs with 3-Originals and 2-Remixes
  • 4-Rayman Legends Songs with 2-Originals and 2-Remixes
  • 1-Rayman Arena Original Song
11-Assassins Creed Songs:
  • Assassins Creed 1: Altaïr Theme (as the one we saw with his Mii Costume reveal)
  • Assassins Creed 2: Ezio Theme
  • Assassins Creed 3: Ratonhnhaké:ton/Connor Theme
  • Assassins Creed 4: Edward Theme
  • Assassins Creed Liberation: Aveline Theme
  • Assassins Creed Rogue: Patrick Theme
  • Assassins Creed Unity: Arno Theme
  • Assassins Creed Chronicles China: Shao Theme
  • Assassins Creed Chronicles India: Arbaaz Theme
  • Assassins Creed Chronicles Russia: Nikolai Theme
  • Assassins Creed Odyssey Theme
6-Rabbids Songs:
  • 2-Rayman Raving Rabbids Songs
  • 4-Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle Songs
2-Beyond Good & Evil Songs
 
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31-Songs from All Rayman Games from
  • 8-Rayman (1995) Songs with 5-Originals and 3-Remixes
  • 6-Rayman 2 Songs with 4-Originals and 2-Remixes
  • 7-Rayman 3 Songs with 4-Originals and 3-Remixes
  • 5-Rayman Origins Songs with 3-Originals and 2-Remixes
  • 4-Rayman Legends Songs with 2-Originals and 2-Remixes
  • 1-Rayman Arena Original Song
11-Assassins Creed Songs:
  • Assassins Creed 1: Altaïr Theme (as the one we saw with his Mii Costume reveal)
  • Assassins Creed 2: Ezio Theme
  • Assassins Creed 3: Ratonhnhaké:ton/Connor Theme
  • Assassins Creed 4: Edward Theme
  • Assassins Creed Liberation: Aveline Theme
  • Assassins Creed Rogue: Patrick Theme
  • Assassins Creed Unity: Arno Theme
  • Assassins Creed Chronicles China: Shao Theme
  • Assassins Creed Chronicles India: Arbaaz Theme
  • Assassins Creed Chronicles Russia: Nikolai Theme
  • Assassins Creed Odyssey Theme
6-Rabbids Songs:
  • 2-Rayman Raving Rabbids Songs
  • 4-Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle Songs
2-Beyond Good & Evil Songs
Good list, though i wonder what choice of music would you think be with Rayman in terms of the Rayman Series, Rabbids, and Beyond Good & Evil, can you show me please?(my guess for Rayman Arena is Rayman's Theme)
 
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Good list, though i wonder what choice of music would you think be with Rayman in terms of the Rayman Series, Rabbids, and Beyond Good & Evil, can you show me please?(my guess for Rayman Arena is Rayman's Theme)
  1. Rayman (1995) Main Theme (Remix) https://youtu.be/acIFGMDDTtg
  2. First Steps Level (Original) https://youtu.be/D5jT773FPp8
  3. Deep Forest Level (Original) https://youtu.be/ZvOk9pYuQXI
  4. The Magician Challenge (Remix) https://youtu.be/cj0sfRyv4sQ
  5. The Band Awakens (Remix) https://youtu.be/pZKblQbb944
  6. Harmony (Original) https://youtu.be/UABNSxxvv0Y
  7. Peaceful Peaks (Original) https://youtu.be/OT8Nx_wKMcQ
  8. Cloak of Darkness (Original) https://youtu.be/dk77y9zxFGI
  9. The Hall of Doors (Original) https://youtu.be/Vsas6lHXkdY
  10. The Woods OG Light (Original) https://youtu.be/VcAqvjUrzbA
  11. Ly The Fairy (Remix) https://youtu.be/FjNOws4CBQM
  12. Surfing with Ssssam (Remix) https://youtu.be/2lbiDhiNImk
  13. Whale Bay (Original) https://youtu.be/VGJ1s-sZbHs
  14. Staff Role (Original) https://youtu.be/M-TekXoUWz8
  15. A Hard Landing (Original) https://youtu.be/rm3o1Pu3wyw
  16. Inside The Fairy Council (Remix) https://youtu.be/bmH6FDNl9nI
  17. Better Hurry, Andre’s Quick (Original) https://youtu.be/MGre6BrYErM
  18. Funky Jam (Original) https://youtu.be/SgB2ZsDVfLc
  19. Mecha-Legs Bossfight (Remix) https://youtu.be/C0hxCSFduWI
  20. The Land of the Livid-Dead (Original) https://youtu.be/mOpgLhg8XBQ
  21. Credits (Remix) https://youtu.be/0CCWstkzwEg
  22. World Map (Original) https://youtu.be/c2BoMgAXPWw
  23. The Lum King (Remix) https://youtu.be/4oiLmO-Svac
  24. A Slap Happy Start (Original) https://youtu.be/lj_F8_zV73A
  25. The Slapping Tree (Original) https://youtu.be/ieT15mblJK8
  26. The Final Showdown (Remix) https://youtu.be/oPIR9HjJTYc
  27. Main Menu (Legends) (Original) https://youtu.be/hdGj84cakFQ
  28. Teensies in Trouble (Original) https://youtu.be/lYVu8-acJSU
  29. Fiesta De Los Muertos (Original) https://youtu.be/MLFPxe_LdDY
  30. 20,000 Lums Under The Sea (Credits) (Remix) https://youtu.be/8asjFznJ8w0
  31. Rayman’s Theme (Original) https://youtu.be/5K9Ujm6RjNc

Beyond Good and Evil would both be Originals like: https://youtu.be/2JM3TG96iyY and https://youtu.be/_2KbIzT2D4Y
 

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Ok so apparently the remix is actually from a Soul Calibur game, which Namco makes and helped make Smash Ultimate. Guess we can't use this as possible evidence anymore.
 

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Ok so apparently the remix is actually from a Soul Calibur game, which Namco makes and helped make Smash Ultimate. Guess we can't use this as possible evidence anymore.
Alright well obviously it doesn’t have any affect to the Mountain of Evidence towards Rayman’s inclusion since the Theme can still be used with the Rayman Pack/Ubisoft Content.
 
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  1. Rayman (1995) Main Theme (Remix) https://youtu.be/acIFGMDDTtg
  2. First Steps Level (Original) https://youtu.be/D5jT773FPp8
  3. Deep Forest Level (Original) https://youtu.be/ZvOk9pYuQXI
  4. The Magician Challenge (Remix) https://youtu.be/cj0sfRyv4sQ
  5. The Band Awakens (Remix) https://youtu.be/pZKblQbb944
  6. Harmony (Original) https://youtu.be/UABNSxxvv0Y
  7. Peaceful Peaks (Original) https://youtu.be/OT8Nx_wKMcQ
  8. Cloak of Darkness (Original) https://youtu.be/dk77y9zxFGI
  9. The Hall of Doors (Original) https://youtu.be/Vsas6lHXkdY
  10. The Woods OG Light (Original) https://youtu.be/VcAqvjUrzbA
  11. Ly The Fairy (Remix) https://youtu.be/FjNOws4CBQM
  12. Surfing with Ssssam (Remix) https://youtu.be/2lbiDhiNImk
  13. Whale Bay (Original) https://youtu.be/VGJ1s-sZbHs
  14. Staff Role (Original) https://youtu.be/M-TekXoUWz8
  15. A Hard Landing (Original) https://youtu.be/rm3o1Pu3wyw
  16. Inside The Fairy Council (Remix) https://youtu.be/bmH6FDNl9nI
  17. Better Hurry, Andre’s Quick (Original) https://youtu.be/MGre6BrYErM
  18. Funky Jam (Original) https://youtu.be/SgB2ZsDVfLc
  19. Mecha-Legs Bossfight (Remix) https://youtu.be/C0hxCSFduWI
  20. The Land of the Livid-Dead (Original) https://youtu.be/mOpgLhg8XBQ
  21. Credits (Remix) https://youtu.be/0CCWstkzwEg
  22. World Map (Original) https://youtu.be/c2BoMgAXPWw
  23. The Lum King (Remix) https://youtu.be/4oiLmO-Svac
  24. A Slap Happy Start (Original) https://youtu.be/lj_F8_zV73A
  25. The Slapping Tree (Original) https://youtu.be/ieT15mblJK8
  26. The Final Showdown (Remix) https://youtu.be/oPIR9HjJTYc
  27. Main Menu (Legends) (Original) https://youtu.be/hdGj84cakFQ
  28. Teensies in Trouble (Original) https://youtu.be/lYVu8-acJSU
  29. Fiesta De Los Muertos (Original) https://youtu.be/MLFPxe_LdDY
  30. 20,000 Lums Under The Sea (Credits) (Remix) https://youtu.be/8asjFznJ8w0
  31. Rayman’s Theme (Original) https://youtu.be/5K9Ujm6RjNc

Beyond Good and Evil would both be Originals like: https://youtu.be/2JM3TG96iyY and https://youtu.be/_2KbIzT2D4Y
i listened to them and i do agree with most of the list, the remix ideas would sound great to fit for smash too.

.P.S. you forgot the rabbids series.
 

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Still have hope the AC song will mean something in the end. In the meantime, some songs I would love to see get added are
Legends:
Medieval Dragon
Mechanical Dragon
Tower of Babel

Origins:
The Dragon Chef's Belly
Chest Chase

Other:
Rayman's Theme
Dream Forest
Any song from Rabbids Go Home (I love the soundtrack from that game)
Midboss Mayhem or In the Heat of Battle from Kingdom Battle
 

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i listened to them and i do agree with most of the list, the remix ideas would sound great to fit for smash too.

.P.S. you forgot the rabbids series.
I couldn’t think of one on the top of my head other than like 2 from the Raving Rabbids and 4 from Mario crossover Game. I have to admit though that I absolutely have never played Rabbids Game mostly because of how much they are making me dislike them even more for standing between me and Rayman Sequel/Smash Bros addition. But knowing we have Strong Evidence leading to Rayman Playable DLC Character and so much Ubisoft Content that can come with the Pack makes the feeling of the Rabbids shrunken.

Still have hope the AC song will mean something in the end. In the meantime, some songs I would love to see get added are
Legends:
Medieval Dragon
Mechanical Dragon
Tower of Babel

Origins:
The Dragon Chef's Belly
Chest Chase

Other:
Rayman's Theme
Dream Forest
Any song from Rabbids Go Home (I love the soundtrack from that game)
Midboss Mayhem or In the Heat of Battle from Kingdom Battle
It definitely has something unique for Rayman’s Inclusion simply because of that Song with Altaïr Mii Costume (as far as I’ve heard) not been in any of the Assassin’s Creed Games.
 
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Still have hope the AC song will mean something in the end. In the meantime, some songs I would love to see get added are
Legends:
Medieval Dragon
Mechanical Dragon
Tower of Babel

Origins:
The Dragon Chef's Belly
Chest Chase

Other:
Rayman's Theme
Dream Forest
Any song from Rabbids Go Home (I love the soundtrack from that game)
Midboss Mayhem or In the Heat of Battle from Kingdom Battle
i'd say Bubamara would make up for a silly track from Rabbids.
 

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Sakurai's language seemed to show frustration about FP1. He also dropped a similar hint before the pass when he was talking about not making the picks as if he wasn't happy with all of the picks.
 

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Sakurai's language seemed to show frustration about FP1. He also dropped a similar hint before the pass when he was talking about not making the picks as if he wasn't happy with all of the picks.
Well it’s mostly because of the Picks Nintendo made in terms of the 4-3rd Party Companies he was given and the Demand from Nintendo to add Fire Emblem as the 5th reserved Fighter, while Sakurai made the choice of which Character he wanted to add, here’s an example:

Fighter Pack 1/Joker: Nintendo gave Sakurai a list from SEGA’s large catalogue to pick one, and He thought amongst all of SEGA’s large IP’s that having Persona (a Playstation Exclusive Franchise) would be a Big Shocker reveal and addition to the DLC lineup.

Fighter Pack 2/Hero: Since Square Enix was not pleased of having Cloud in Base Game, they pretty much Agreed to let Cloud in Base Game on the one Condition that they let them decide what they want to Add in Super Smash Bros Ultimate, so they decided since Dragon Quest 11 is not getting any attention in the West, they needed Sakurai to add The Luminary to add bolster of Marketing of their Western Audience as a means of reaching out. Sakurai would do so but only to add 3-More DQ Heros including Erdrick (as he is the First Character), Solo & Eight (both Fan-Favorites amongst past Heroes) along with getting Music Track from just 11 with 2-Songs, but also 3, 4 & 8 with 2-Songs each.

Fighter Pack 3/Banjo & Kazooie: Thanks in part of Microsoft, CEO Phil Spencer, The Collaboration of Content and Games from Microsoft for Nintendo, Sakurai and the Entire Fanbase of Smash Bros and Banjo-Kazooie in synced. As Nintendo has asked for Microsoft to lend an IP from their own Brand, Spencer looks to have struck a deal with them to add Banjo & Kazooie (along with the Games essence from the N64 designs like their voices and sound effects which now looking back makes sense why that Copyright was renewed by Nintendo for a Reason).

Fighter Pack 4/Terry Bogard: From how I’m understanding the origin of the Entire SNK Corporation lending all of its Content into Super Smash Bros Ultimate, it seems that Nintendo and SNK has had a Unique History to even let Nintendo have all of the SNK brands content put into a Nintendo Exclusive Game. As far as Sakurai he must have made the Decision to add Terry in since he is the (SNK) Brands Mascot Representative and has went with the Classic 91’ Look that he is very iconic. Which now looking at all of the Evidence from Ubisoft’s content coming in early and that Cuphead Spirit Event has exposed a massive shattered revelation for a Spirit Character to be added as a Playable DLC Fighter, the Opportunity for a Playable Rayman DLC Fighter Pack with a whole Ubisoft Content looks to be a reality just by a Mile.

Fighter Pack 5/Byleth: Since Nintendo is the Key figure to add the previous 4 collaborations, They must have Demanded for Sakurai to add Byleth in as a returning favor for the selection of each character.

So from all of this being summarized, Sakurai must have been very limited of Choices for Characters that are omly from SEGA, Square Enix, Microsoft & SNK. Otherwise yes it must have been very stressful for him in terms of limited choices for his Game. Still I believe we should atleast encourage him for his Hard Work and do everything we can to help him get his strength back for him to be Happy
 
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