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Rate Their Chances - Smash Ultimate Day 565: Sora (Kingdom Hearts) and Professor Layton

Cutie Gwen

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Well technically we can't get one of these anymore

Chance: 1% This is a tricky case, people will likely say that we already got a character from MS, so we can't get another one. I don't think that's the case for multiple reasons, for starters, Nintendo doesn't really care about 'muh reps', second, MS have shown they're surprisingly easy to work with, having not only been friendly with Nintendo with Minecraft and Cuphead, but they also worked with Smash easily. While Steve's negotiations were incredibly long, we don't know what the reasons were, but we DO know Banjo's negotiations went incredibly smoothly, these having taken place a mere year before Banjo got confirmed. All this shows one thing, Microsoft is willing to play ball so it really depends on what Nintendo wants, though I admittedly don't see another MS rep besides Master Chief happening. The main reason is that there just isn't a lot of demand, that being the key factor why Banjo got in as it's clearly not because of his franchise's current state. Killer Instinct and Battletoads seem like they've got the best chances but their Smash demand is damn near nowhere to be seen, otherwise they'd be seen as likely. There's also Bethesda but this was nominated before we heard the news of MS buying them, so I'm going to assume that's not counted, especially as the negotiations Bethesda would have weren't handled with Microsoft.

Want: Abstain, this is too broad for me to judge.

The brave little toaster that couldn't.

Chance: 0% Genuine question, why is he being rated again? There's exactly 2 things that happened since, an unfunny youtuber made a video about how Chibi's final attempt at a game was 'so baaaaaaaad' when in reality it was just mediocre, and skip, the devs behind Chibi Robo, showing signs of shutting down. Not exactly good signs already as this means the franchise's reputation has gone under while breathing it's final breaths, but Zip Lash is especially interesting here. Nintendo has a noted history of refusing to lower prices on their games, seeing it as devalueing them to the point they rarely go on sale to begin with. This is important because Chibi Robo got a price cut fairly quickly after release to the point that a year later, you could get the game and the amiibo for a mere 5 bucks. Nintendo's choosing and all that alongside their laughable mismanagement of the franchise suggests they couldn't give a single **** about keeping the franchise alive, especially if they didn't care to support AlphaDream after it's bankrupcy.

Want: 5% I have no experience with this franchise and hey, not surprising considering what I just mentioned, and I've come to the realization he's kind of like Roll in TvC. For those who don't know, Roll was a joke character who used a broom and cleaning utensils to fight, which fits Chibi to a T. Thing is, I don't really like Roll in TvC much because her moves weren't very fun to land outside of her godlike level 3. I can't really see Chibi having a moveset that wows me, which is a big part for me if I'm not already down for a character. That being said, Chibi is as the kids say, hecking cute, so I'm not really against him even if I'm a tad bitter I paid more for the amiibo of the guy I own than I would for 3 copies of the game with amiibo packaged in.

Velvet Crowe x15
 

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Microsoft Rep that is not Master Chief

Chance: 5%. It’s clear that Master Chief is the most likely of the Microsoft reps, but there are other possible choices as well. But it is most likely that if we get more Microsoft content, it will be spirits, but who knows what will happen.

Want: 50%. I don’t know which Rep would be the best idea, but as long as they are fun to play as, then it’s fine by me. Overall, a new Microsoft Rep would be an interesting choice.

Chibi-Robo

Chance: 5%. On one hand, it is a spirit (that can evolve) and a Mii Costume, which narrows the chance, but since spirits can become playable fighters, that could raise the chance a bit, but having a Mii Costume might be a dent to the idea. But we have been surprised before.

Want: 75%. Chibi-Robo would be fun to play as, and I can see him fight off R.O.B and Megaman in the Living Room Stage. Overall, Chibi-Robo has some good potential to be playable in Smash.

Prediction: Red (10%)

Noms: 5 for Concept: Second F-Zero Rep
 
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Abstaining on the Microsoft character concept because the Bethesda purchase just complicates things a bit too much

Tell me where it all began
Chance: 0%
As far as we know, we just have four characters left for Ultimate DLC. Competition's getting tight, especially amongst first-parties. Chibi-Robo, an already niche franchise that Nintendo has always treated pretty badly, struggles with this immensely. When their latest game came out 5 years ago and flopped, Chibi would probably be a hard sell.
Cutie Gwen brings up a good point, (tho how dare you call Scott unfunny, bad taste) the fact that Nintendo allows one of their first-party games to drop to such a low pricepoint indicates that they've lost all interest in the IP. The fact that Skip likely declared bankrupcy probably doesn't even phase them. They might just have reacted like this:
Want: 25%
I haven't played any of the CR games. Would be pretty difficult at this point, honestly. I do think its fate was unfortunate and Nintendo shouldn't have mistreated the series so horribly. I don't like seeing these smaller Nintendo IP's rot and be left for dead without being given much of a chance and Smash is pretty much the only chance he'll ever have left. Gotta be next game tho, since for Ultimate DLC there's no faith left for him. With that said, there are still other first-parties I'd prefer.

Red: 1.56%
Beat x10
Chibi-Robo

Chance: 5%. On one hand, it is a spirit (that can evolve) and a Mii Costume, which narrows the chance, but since spirits can become playable fighters, that could raise the chance a bit. Plus we have been surprised before.
You are aware that there are factors that damage his chances way more than just him being a Spirit, right? Also "we've been suprised before" doesn't sound like a convincing argument in any case.
 
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chances: 10% chibi is one of those characters who i feel would have a better chance as a base roster character than a dlc. i also believe that nintendo themselves is very fond of the little guy so i can see them suggesting him for smash. however i dont think sakurai would go for him. as he moves away from nintendo being the main focus nintendo's less successful series lose out as a result. the mii costume could have been a result of nintendo's love for him. and while the series is dormant and there are rumors about skip being in trouble but that by no means weve heard the last of him. mark my words we will see him again. his main problem is his nicheness which hasnt been a problem for others.

want: 100% obviously. i love the chibi series and the little guy himself. between the five games he has shown a great amount of move set potential. from lashing cables to blaster, from vacuums to spoons he would be a very unique character. the stages, the music everything hed bring would be awesome. he is my number 2 choice for a character and while his chance arent great im never gonna stop supporting him.

abstain on the other one, dont know enough microsoft characters

nominate qbby x10

Genuine question, why is he being rated again?
because if i have to put up with mortal kombat and whatever the fudge baldi was, you can all suck it up and rate nintendo's own niche series. and because ive been nominating him for ages
 

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because if i have to put up with mortal kombat and whatever the fudge baldi was, you can all suck it up and rate nintendo's own niche series. and because ive been nominating him for ages
When the **** was Baldi rated and what does it have to do with the question, which was why are we rerating a character who was rated not too long ago despite the only major changes being the devs showing signs of shutting down and a crap youtube review?
 

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Concept: Microsoft rep that isn't Master Chief

Chance: 1% if Bethesda doesn't count, 8% if they do
Microsoft purchased Bethesda in September after any possible Smash deal between Nintendo and Bethesda could've been made. I'm not sure if they would count for this so I gave this rating two separate scores.

If Bethesda doesn't count... then yeah I definitely don't see this happening. Killer Instinct, Battletoads, and Conker exist as additional Rare characters but I really don't see them having priority over most other candidates. There's also Gears of War though I doubt anyone is really clamoring for a GoW rep for Smash. Cuphead got a Mii Costume and something similar may happen to Ori. So really at the end of the day, the only plausible additional Microsoft rep is Master Chief but he doesn't count for today.

Now if Bethesda does count, then you got Dragonborn who is definitely the most likely Bethesda candidate. Doomguy is dead after that Metro interview while a Fallout rep seems unlikely after the Vault Boy costume. Meanwhile the Elder Scroll series has a lot going on its own such as the immense popularity of Skyrim. However with the Vault Boy costume already being a thing, I feel like we won't be seeing anymore Bethesda characters.

Want: 10%
Eh... even when counting Bethesda the only character in this category that I'd really like to see would be Conker. None of the other Microsoft candidates apart from Master Chief really interest me that much. At the very least, let's see some other companies get more characters first before getting a third one in a single game's DLC cycle.

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Chibi-Robo

Chance: 0%
Chibi-Robo: Zip Lash flopped hard. His chances for the base game were already super low because of that, but as DLC? Sorry but this just isn't happening. Oh and it certainly doesn't help that Skip - the company that developed the Chibi-Robo games - has been showing signs of shutting down over the past couple of months. At this point the thing with Skip isn't even the final nail in the coffin: it's like going into the afterlife just to stomp on Chibi's already dead chances. It's clear Nintendo just doesn't care about the series with how poorly handled Zip Lash was.

Want: Abstain
Never got into the series so I won't give an actual score. I do remember seeing ads for the first Chibi-Robo game when I was younger and I was a bit fond of the character. A small, cute, and original Nintendo IP with an interesting gameplay idea? Sounds great! Hope to see more of this character once I'm old enough to buy games on my own, I foolishly thought to myself. Then Chibi-Robo: Zip Lash came out which looked mediocre and released at a time when I couldn't buy it anyway. And now the series is pretty much dead now so sadly my interest in this little guy will only fade as time passes.

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Angry Bird chance prediction: 6.32%

Nominations:
Mii Costume: 2B x10
CJ x10
 
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Also "we've been suprised before" doesn't sound like a convincing argument in any case
It has some precedence: Nintendo isn't solely picking the biggest third parties and most recent (2019 onward) first parties. However the characters that fall into neither category aren't random picks.
 

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Non-Steve/Master Chief Microsoft Rep

Chance: 50% (Including Bethesda) -
If we include Bethesda in this catagory due to a technicality, then Skyrim alone carries this, along with Steve being in now raising this kind of rating as a whole. While one might say that Steve would drop the ratings (Banjo and Steve were negotiated around the same time, one could say Microsoft wouldn't get a third rep), due to Bethesda being here on a technicality, this doesn't apply. Bethesda negotiations have already been going on for two years so all of this would've been decided before the acquisition. I've gone into an entire essay on Skyrim's merits in all of my previous Dragonborn ratings. However, there are a few more bits of recent information that would definitely help Dragonborn's case. The first is that Mii Costumes are implied to be negotiated much later than fighters, given Suda51 and Travis' costume. Bethesda and Nintendo have been negotiation for two years or more, there's no way all of that went into just getting a mii costume. There's also the recent Bethesda sale, where Skyrim, a three-year-old port of a game that is multiplatform (and thus has to compete for purchases with the Xbox, Playstation, and PC versions) was the 5th best selling game on the eShop, beating out the much-anticipated Doom 64 port. Finally, in regards to another sale, Nintendo's Cyber Deals Sale has a video presentation showing off some of the games currently marked at 30-50% off. Skyrim was one of the big games they decided to show off, showing that Nintendo still holds the game in high regard (and chose it specifically despite every Bethesda game being on sale). They're some little pieces of new evidence but all of this could add up, which adds to the Elder Scrolls' already fantastic pedigree. Plus Steve's inclusion reinvigorated my confidence for big third party picks in this pass.

Chance: 5% (Excluding Bethesda) - Honestly, it's likely either Chief or nobody in regards to future Microsoft reps. There are other options like Conker and other Rareware properties, Gears of War, Super Lucky's Tale, etc. While Lucky was fortunate to get some advertisement from Nintendo, I don't think any of these choices are on their radar. Gears of War, as far as I know, has no presence on Nintendo systems (and doesn't have Chief's pedigree to back it up), and it and the other Rareware properties have little to no fan demand. Plus with Microsoft already having negotiated two big characters (well, technically three since Banjo is two-in-one), I don't see them getting a third one in this pass. And this is implied to be the last of the DLC for Ultimate. So all hopes ride on Lucky for this concept is Bethesda's technicality is excluded.


Want: 100%+++ (Including Bethesda) - Again, this entire score is riding on Dragonborn. I've been a huge fan of The Elder Scrolls for nearly a decade and I think it would be a fantastic addition to Smash! Plus we have yet to see a Western RPG rep, and I think he could bring a lot to the table! H***, he could have a full-on weapon/class-switching mechanic that would make him a true weapons specialist (alongside the iconic shouts, of course!), something Byleth failed to do. Plus the Elder Scrolls is Bethesda's home-grown franchise and what really put them on the map, out of all of their franchises they deserve it the most!

Want: 5% (Excluding Bethesda) - Outside of Chief, I can't say I'm interested in Microsoft's other potential offerings. Conker always rubbed me the wrong way (I despise feel-bad humor), Rare's other offerings don't interest me much, and I have no experience with franchises like Gears of War. Battletoads could be very funny, but I don't see them as likely at all unfortunately. Cuphead would make for a super fun indie rep, but I'd much rather see Quote first, plus we have Cuphead spirits and a Mii Costume already in, so he's no longer an option. Super Lucky's Tale does seem surprisingly charming as much as my friends and I like to make fun of it, but despite it's cute and colorful design it wouldn't be my first choice with only four slots left. It does have the surprise factor, though!



Chibi-Robo

Chance: 0.5% -
Aside from the off-chance that Nintendo decides to revive him, things are looking very grim for Chibi-Robo. Zip Lash's lack of success (which was actually quite unfair to the franchise), along with low sales of most previous games (much due to mismanagement) resulted in Nintendo never seeing it as a success, and likely won't prioritize it for Smash (especially DLC). Zip-Lash's lack of success resulted in Nintendo pulling the plug on the franchise, and with Skip (the developers) shutting down, the is an extreme uncertainty about the franchise. Now, Chibi-robo DOES have his fair share of fans, and he did get his own amiibo (something a lot of more popular franchises had to rely on Smash for), which are good points, and Sakurai usually prefers history over relevancy, but with Nintendo picking the characters they likely won't see Chibi Robo as profitable. Unless they decide to make a new game, I'd say he's unfortunately not happening.

Want: 30% - I've never played much of the franchise myself, but Chibi-Robo really did deserve better. Many of his releases failed due to mismanagement and poor advertisement, and pinning the fate of the franchise on a spinoff that most fans would dislike was not a good move. And I know how they'd feel, I would've been extremely upset if they had pinned Pikmin's future on Hey! Pikmin. Chibi Robo also has plenty of unique ideas that could be molded into a very creative moveset, and he'd be very fun to play! So while he wouldn't be my first choice, he'd certainly be a very welcome one!



Nominations:
Don-chan x10
4x Strategy Rep x10

Predictions:
Red - 7.32% - Red has a very significant place in gaming history, though his game's significance towards the Western mobile market instead of the Japanese one is going to hit a lot of people's confidence.
 

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When the **** was Baldi rated and what does it have to do with the question, which was why are we rerating a character who was rated not too long ago despite the only major changes being the devs showing signs of shutting down and a crap youtube review?
well we rated him two years ago and many other characters have gone with much shorter times between ratings. as for my comparison well the put it simply because i wanted to and the rules of the thread allowed me to nominate him constantly until he was locked in. in short we can all get our turn rating who we want to if we're willing to put in the nomination effort.
 

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well we rated him two years ago and many other characters have gone with much shorter times between ratings. as for my comparison well the put it simply because i wanted to and the rules of the thread allowed me to nominate him constantly until he was locked in. in short we can all get our turn rating who we want to if we're willing to put in the nomination effort.
I swear Chibi was rated right before I became a regular here though, no way in hell was his last rating 2 years ago, though the OP only shows rated days up to last year which makes that harder to keep up. If I'm somehow wrong then I'll gladly eat crow but I swear I thought of the name I used for his rating when he was last rated
 

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I swear Chibi was rated right before I became a regular here though, no way in hell was his last rating 2 years ago, though the OP only shows rated days up to last year which makes that harder to keep up. If I'm somehow wrong then I'll gladly eat crow but I swear I thought of the name I used for his rating when he was last rated
well i asked goodgrief before i started nominating him and he said it was two years ago
 

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THESE CHARACTERS ARE LOCKED DOWN, NOMINATIONS FOR THEM ARE OBSOLETE

Day 540: Red (Angry Birds)
Day 541: The Knight (Hollow Knight)
Day 542: Miriam (Bloodstained)
Day 543: Maxwell (Scribblenauts)
Day 544: Hajime Hinata (Danganronpa)
Day 545: Cynthia (Pokémon)

Day 546: Concept: The remaining SSB4 DLC Mii Costumes return (or get the deluxe treatment)

Hajime passed Cynthia after days of both being tied. Aside from that this was pretty expected. I find it funny that we're rating Hollow Knight and Bloodstained one after the other, it's like a metroidvania double feature!

The new top seven consists of T-Rex Runner, Don-chan, Mii Costume: Monika, Second F-Zero rep, D.Va, and Monokuma.


T-Rex Runner x150
Don-chan x145
Mii Costume: Monika x135
Vectorman x130
Concept: Second F-Zero rep x129
D.Va x115
[Rerate] Monokuma x115

150 - 101

[Rerate] Concept: Boss Rush x109
Boss: Ender Dragon x103

100 - 51

[Rerate] Arle Nadja x100
Crazy Dave x100
Zero (Mega Man) x95
Mii Costume: Alex Kidd x93
Carl Johnson x90
[Rerate] Concept: League of Legends rep x90
Qbby x90
Riptor x85
Stage: Bowser's Castle x81
Concept: Darksiders rep x80
Sackboy x80
Boss: Rayquaza x80
Worms x80
Fulgore x79
Concept: More ATs as one new item x75
Dwight Fairfield (Dead by Daylight) x75
Concept: Rocket League rep x75
Giygas x71
Cooking Mama x70
Concept: A 4X strategy rep x65
Echo (Olimar) x56
Concept: SNES-era Final Fantasy rep x55
Gooigi x55
Vi (Bug Fables) x55
Echo: Zeraora (Lucario) x55
[Rerate] Jin Kazama x55
Magolor x55
John Marston x55
Jin Sakai x55
Ghirahim x55

50 - 25

Tetra x45
Mii Costume: 2B x40
Echo (Bowser) x35
[Rerate] Concept: New Zelda character x30
Velvet Crowe x30
Concept: Characters that don't have games on Nintendo platforms x30
Ryza (Atelier) x25
Concept: A Challenger Pack with 2 Fighters x25

Under 25

Beat (Jet Set Radio) x20
Yarn Yoshi x15
Billy & Jimmy Lee x15
[Rerate] Reimu Hakurei x15
Tetris x10
Slash Kamei (Snowboard Kids) x10
Estelle Bright x10
Mii Costume: Zagreus x10
Mii Costume: Madeline x10
[Rerate] Neku x10
Junpei (Zero Escape) x9
Concept: Rocket League content x5
[Rerate] Thrall x5
Stage: Tetris x5
[Rerate] Agumon x5
[Rerate] Lara Croft x5
Stage: Tetris 99 x5
[Rerate] Concept: Any new Xenoblade character x5
Concept: Raizing shmup rep x5
[Rerate] Shovel Knight x5

Concept: Boss Rush rushes past 100 noms.

Concept: Characters that don't have games on Nintendo platforms now has over 25 noms.

New challengers approaching! Today we have Junpei, with 9 noms, and a rerate for Neku, with 10 noms.
 

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Abstain on both. I don't have an opinion on either.

Nominations: [Rerate] Monokuma x5 (or 10, I was a little confused on the wording)
 

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Third Microsoft rep that isn't Master Chief because Steve got in

Chance: 1%

This 1% is for Dragonborn and him alone, other characters owned by Microsoft/Bethesda have no chance in my opinion. First of all, for Bethesda characters, Dragonborn is the most well known of their characters and he's also the most iconic, with Skyrim being so big, and also one of the big starting title of the Switch, however, the fact that we had Vault Boy as a Mii early in this fighter pass makes me think that he's really unlikely, because if Dragonborn was in the fighter pass, why not just keeping it for him? And for Doomguy/slayer, he was softly disconfirmed in an interview by it's developer saying that they reached Nintendo but got no response, which most likely means that Doom will get nothing in Ultimate, though it does make him more likely for the next game in a situation similar to Snake, even if not really the same at all. For other characters Microsoft owns, all I have to ask is really? I don't even think that Master Chief is likely at all as if any Microsoft characters would get in it would have been Steve unlike what the YouTube speculation scene decided, and well, look where we are. Rare characters who aren't Banjo also don't have a chance, with Conker being irrelevant and not having the massive fan request Banjo has, and while someone from Killer Instinct or someone from Sea of Thieves could be possible, I don't think that Killer Instinct would have the measely 1% I gave MK since it's not as big and iconic while it also doesn't have to deal with competition from other of Netherrealm's series, and Sea of Thieves, well, all I can really give it is that it's the best selling game Rare created and that's it, the smash request for it is non-existant at best and if NIntendo wants a character from an MMO, they also have a very wide array of choices. And Joanna Dark also exists, but she's in the same position as Conker at best. And I guess that Raz from Psychonauts could be considered, but Psychonauts 2 was anounced way too late for him to be considered.

Want: Abstain

I don't really know how to rate this since I'm not really big on Microsoft owned series, and I'm also not too big on series owned by Bethesda too.

The little robot helper, Chibi Robo

Chance: 0.1%

Is it really surprising to anyone that his chances are so low? He's first party, yes, but he's also one of many NIntendo first party owned character that would represent a new series and who isn't playable at all, and who did not get in Smash multiple times. His one pro is that Miyamoto likes him a lot (and also that spirits don't disconfirm for this fighter pass, though that more of an universal rule for all the spirits in base game), but considering how Nintendo did not care about how Zip Lash flopped, or how the studio that makes his games went bankrupt with pretty much no reaction from Nintendo, I just cannot see him having a chance in getting in FP2 with all the series that are more popular and relevant. I remember that he was predicted to get in for Sm4sh, but he did not, and so, I only see him joinig the side of other Nintendo characters who aren't in Smash and who may never get in at all, unlike other Nintendo characters that I can see get in the base game of a future Smash.

Want: 65%

I don't have anything against the little, I even find him very cute, and he could have a very fun moveset with how his series has a very unusual gameplay. The stage that he could bring with him could also be very cool to have, as a giant house stage that isn't just living room, aka "long empty stage where blocks evenutaly falls on you and it's really boring", because the platforming could be fun, and it could also be a good new big stage, which we really don't have a lot of in Smash, despite how Temple, one of the most beloved stages of the series, is a big stage. Though I must say that I wouldn't like it if he had a moveset similar to the one he has in Super Smash Flash 2, because I really don't like the moveset he has in that game.

Nominations

Boss rush x10
Lol rep rerate x10

Predictions

Red: 8.6%
 
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Microsoft Rep that isn't Master Chief

Chance: 0.4%


Considering we got both Banjo and Steve, I don't think a third Microsoft rep is all that likely. I recognize there's not a lot of precedent for how companies in Smash line up, and also relying on precedent in Smash speculation never pans out. However, consider how long Steve was apparently in discussion for: longer than Banjo, despite being released later. That means that, in all likelihood, they were being discussed simultaneously. If we got a third Microsoft character, it would be in this pass, because there isn't really any indication there will be a Fighter's Pass 3. If that character is in this pass, then I think that means that character would also be being discussed at the same time as Banjo and Steve. And while one more character in that pile isn't too much of a stretch... I just can't see them talking about Steve and Banjo and...

Oh, jeez, I forgot this specifically wasn't Master Chief. The odds for this were already real low, but that fact puts the odds even lower. For a long time, the three characters vying for the spot of Microsoft character were Steve, Banjo, and Master Chief. Two of those characters are already in, now. If we managed to get a third, I can't see it being anyone except Master Chief.

Although, actually, now I remember that Bethesda is owned by Microsoft now, so a Bethesda rep - who wouldn't actually have been a Microsoft rep during negotiation - would technically fulfill this. I'm not really sure that's in the spirit of this prompt, though...

Want: 36%

I mean, with broad stuff like this it's hard for me to really judge. Frankly, the lack of characters I know that this could potentially be is what really hurts the want score on this one. I mean, what could it be?
  • Killer Instinct, which I am not familiar with at all.
  • Gears of War, which I'm not familiar with either.
  • Conker, which... I mean, I know more about him than the other two?
I actually had to look at the music just to list those off. So yeah, most of the options would not excite me.

...Except for Battletoads, baby! I think it would be really fun for Battletoads to get representation in Smash. I guess they're in Killer Instinct, so if we get a character from that you could just stick 'em on the Spirit Board the same way Terry did. Really, though, I think the part that would actually excite me would be the stage. I mean, that's the first thing I think about with Battletoads - the crazy stuff they make you do. It'd have to be Turbo Tunnel, right? Imagine dodging increasingly-frequent stone slabs. They've been moving away from the more intrusive stages like in Smash 4, but I reckon something like Battletoads needs a crazy stage to be properly represented.

Anyway, I digress. My point is, I don't really know what a Microsoft character could bring, so the want score isn't that high.

Cheebo

Chance: 2%

Now, I'm not optimistic about Chibi-Robo's chances, but he has more going for him than other non-recent Nintendo series. He isn't an Assist Trophy, his role as a Spirit is clearly not an issue due to Min Min, and his Mii Costume is in the base game which means it's two development cycles away from the decision being made to put him in. He's also got fan demand, and an Amiibo.

The bad news is... yeah, basically what everyone else is saying. I haven't been keeping up with the Chibi-Robo series since Park Patrol - and maybe that's for the best. I do know it left off on Zip Lash, which isn't really what I or anyone else wanted out of the series. And apparently, its developer is shutting down? Yeah, that's a recipe for an uncertain future all right.

It's not impossible for a series (or character) with an uncertain future to make it into Smash. I mean, recently, we got Castlevania, Banjo-Kazooie, and King K. Rool. However, I think those characters got in with a massive groundswell of support that counteracted that lack of a future. I don't think Chibi-Robo has that yet. But he totally could. I think if his fanbase really gets going, they can make noise to rival that of the Simon supporters.

Hey, that reminds me. I need to join the Chibi-Robo support thread, because:


Want: 100%

Absolutely yes. Most characters I support out of respect, if not familiarity; but the characters I grew up with? The ones that hold a special place in my heart? I support them with the zeal of a thousand suns. The original Chibi-Robo on the GameCube was really good, and it's a shame that no installment in the series since has seemed to quite capture that lightning in a bottle.

Honestly, the thing I love the most about Chibi-Robo is that despite its goofy vibe - or maybe because of it - it has some spectacular and showstopping moments. Following mysterious instructions which end up summoning an alien spacecraft in your backyard? Fighting the game's final and only boss on the ceiling of the living room, which has been coated in webs? This stuff is awesome because it stands out so much from the rest of the game! And that's not to mention the parts of the game that make me wish I was old enough to get it before I started playing. The quirky family you clean house for actually falling apart over the course of the game? Geez.

All this to say: yes. Put Chibi-Robo in Smash. Now.

Prediction for Red: 2.25%
Nominations: Junpei x9, Filia x11
 

DanganZilla5

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Dragonborn

Chance: 46%

When it comes to a Microsoft rep that isn't Master Chief, I think Dragonborn is the one character who can realistically happen. Let's break this down.

First, let's talk about Conker, Battletoads, and Killer Instinct. These 3 are definitely Smash candidates. Conker is from a popular N64 game that dared to break away from Nintendo's family friendly image (Which was stronger back then) and has made cameos in other Nintendo games like Diddy Kong Racing. Battletoads is a classic NES game, up there with Ghosts n Goblins, Contra, Castlevania and Ninja Gaiden as one of the infamously hard games for the system. But regardless it's fondly looked back on and the Battletoads have made appearances in recent games like the newest Killer Instinct game. Speaking of which, Killer Instinct is a recognizable fighting game that was popular at its peak, has Nintendo history, and got a reboot in 2013 so Microsoft still has the series in mind.

The problem with all of these is that I just can't see them being prioritized. Putting aside the obvious competition from the games in their era and genre, we just got Steve. I'm a firm believer that we won't see multiple reps from the same company in the same pass. It's certainly possible, but the problem is that Microsoft already has 2 characters so Nintendo might want to negotiate with other companies to raise corporate synergy. And even if Microsoft gets another rep, there is a strong possibility it will be Master Chief who doesn't fit this concept.

That leaves Bethesda. Let's get this out of the way quickly. Doomguy got deconfirmed through an interview and a Fallout character most likely will not happen due to the Vault Boy Mii costume. That leaves Dragonborn as the sole realistic pick. I will also say that Microsoft buying Bethesda does not hurt Dragonborn's chances as that deal happened after the pass was already decided.

For Dragonborn, I will just quote myself from his last rating since everything in it pretty much holds up.

Fus Ro Dah!!

Chance: 60%

My opinion on Dragonborn hasn't changed, aside from a little confidence boost thanks to Vault Boy. I wrote a big post for him last time but I don't feel like finding it so I will summarize my points:
  • Skyrim is very popular, fairly requested, and is still being discussed a decade later.
  • Skyrim was one of the first games shown off for the Switch and Bethesda has been supporting Nintendo a lot since the Switch's release.
  • The Elder Scrolls is an iconic and significant game franchise. It helped popularize the open world genre.
  • The developers of BOTW took some cues from Skyrim.
  • Skyrim was the first western game to receive a perfect 40/40 in Famitsu.
  • Dragonborn has a recognizable look with his nordic armor across the marketing.
  • He also has interesting moveset potential with his shouts and spells.
  • Plenty of stage and spirits options.
Overall, I think Dragonborn is the most likely Bethesda character. Again, assuming that Doom interview deconfirms Doomguy. Bethesda is one of the couple western companies that I can see getting a rep.
The only major thing I changed was the score. It dropped from a 60% to a 45% due to us getting a western character and I can only see us getting one or maybe two more in this pass. Still, Dragonborn certainly has the merits to be one of the few western characters to make it in. So he gets a 45%, and I will throw in an additional 1% for this concept in case this is the timeline where someone else like Conker gets in.

Want: Abstain

As much as I would like to give this a good score since there are some characters here that I'm interested in, that's the problem. When it comes to concepts like this that apply to a variety of characters, I just simply can't choose one score as my want for Dragonborn is much higher than Killer Instinct for example.

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Chibi-Robo

Chance: 0%

I can confidently say that this is not likely at all. I can only repeat what other have stated. Its a niche series, the last game, Zip Lash, sold poorly, and Skip seems to be in danger of shutting down. While the Smash team did care enough about him to include Chibi-Robo as a Mii costume and a spirit, Nintendo doesn't seem to care much about the series and its future is looking grim. I could see him as a base roster pick, but as a DLC character? Not realistic.

Want: 60%

I don't have much experience with the series, but I have to say Chibi-Robo is charming. I like niche series like this so I can relate to fogbadge. I may not be as big of a fan as he is, but I can see the merits of Chibi-Robo's inclusion. Chibi-Robo has a unique design that makes him stand out and the idea of a character that uses plugs and vacuums in their moveset sounds funny, yet interesting and fun. The only thing is that there are just so many characters I would like to see get in first. But man, I love it when Nintendo makes wacky games like this.

Prediction: Red - 6%

Noms: Vectorman x20 (Not using extra noms)
I'm assuming that I can't get all 20 noms since I abstained on a want score for Microsoft rep, right? I think I got myself confused with this double day. I don't want to use my extra noms yet.
 
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Chibi Robo

0.1% Chance

Yeah, this ain't happening. Zip Lash failed. It failed bad. The franchise is dead as disco right now. Maybe it might get a revival, but right now the franchise is in a bad spot. Unlike say Isaac, there is no promising trademark stuff or huge fan demand. Chibi Robo in general is not a super popular pick that has a ton of competition from other nintendo franchises that are more popular, big third parties, and others. I would honestly be shocked if he showed up.

0% Want

From what little I played of the first Chibi Robo, it is mediocre. It has its charms, but it is nothing I would be excited for. Normally, this would result in a different, more middling score. But we may only have 4 characters left. Chibi Robo is not significant enough to Nintendo or to Gaming that I would feel it makes sense. Honestly, it would be a very boring and confusing choice. Maybe if I get around to finishing his game, I might care. But as of now, no dice.

Microsoft Rep that is not Chief

32%

Basically this is me rating Doomguy and Dovakhin. Doomguy as we all know has had some of the most crushing potential de confirmations from people at Betheseda. Now you could argue that this is a case of NDAs or trolling creators, but odds are not in the Doomguy's favor. I give him a 1% chance at this point just on that, but other than that it is basically a hard sell. He

Now for Dovakhin, this is a solid choice that does not get as much traction in the Smash community. If you want my guess, it is because Doomguy sucked up all the oxygen for a Bethesda character. Skyrim is one of the defining games of the past decade. It is legendary, it had a ton of ports, and it is still in the cultural zeitgeist today. It honestly has a pretty solid resume. It is a Western game that is popular enough in Japan that has had a huge impact on gaming.

The last 1% is for everything else. I doubt that Conker, Fulgore, or what have you is getting in. Basically I am Dovakhin or bust.

90% Want

Which is not that bad for me because I like these characters. The only reason this is not a straight 100% is because in a broad concept like this, we could get something stupid that I would not like. But out of the four characters above who I mentioned (who in my opinion are the most likely choices) I would be down with any of them. I personally would want Doomguy because Doom has a killer soundtrack and I think he would be the most fun mechanically to mess with in Smash, but I have soft spots for the rest. KI has a good soundtrack. Skyrim is awesome. Conker multiplayer is super fun. Good choices all around.

Neku x 20
 

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This is just Bethesda with extra steps

I mean, the latest fighter is unfortunately Steve, and there's no chance we get two fighters from Microsoft in the same pass. So normally I'd give this a 0%. Fortunately (for the purposes of this rating), Microsoft did the unthinkable and bought Bethesda, a company that was a big candidate for a Smash character. And since the characters were licensed before the purchase was a thing, we could very well have our second Microsoft character on a technicality. That's what I'm basing my chance on.

Chance: 35%
This is mostly Dovahkiin. Dovahkiin has a great chance, I won't get into that but the gist of it is that Skyrim's big and Japan loves it. Aside from that, Doomguy's DOA because of that interview, and Fallout kinda suffers from a lack of a defined protagonist. That leaves us with, what, BJ Blazkowicz? Corvo? Sebastian Castellanos? Whoever you play as in Quake? The potential is there, I guess. Wolfenstein kinda created first person shooters, and it's been on several Nintendo systems, with the last two games, The New Colossus and spin-off Youngblood making the cut on the Switch. Quake, too, has token Nintendo appearances - it might not help it much, being the eternal third wheel behind Doom and Wolfenstein, but that's still more than Dishonored and The Evil Within have.

So, yeah, Bethesda's, and therefore Microsoft's, odds of nabbing one of the four remaining characters pretty much boil down to Dovahkiin.

Want: 100%
I want Dovahkiin, but honestly, even if we ignore Bethesda, this would still be 100%. Microsoft owns characters like the Battletoads, Conker, Joanna Dark, the peeps from Killer Instinct, all of those franchises should and would be in heavy consideration were Rare still an independent company (or a Nintendo subsidiary). Marcus Fenix would also be pretty kickass, even if it would be weird to see Xbox's second mascot before the Chief. So, yeah, I'm all for this.

Ngl I kinda wanna nominate BJ now. Eh, maybe someday. (The id interview probably disconfirms him too, anyway)

Oh yeah there's still a whole second rating to go

Chance: 5%
It's not looking good for the little guy. For starters, it looks like his series is super dead, thanks to the awful game that was Zip-Lash. More than that, the fact that Nintendo botched every other game in the series in the marketing department and then staked its future in a game nobody could like implies that they really don't mind it being dead. I think they value Chibi as a mascot, a cute character to make merch of, more than as a videogame star. But, you know, never say never. He's still a semi-well known Nintendo character that's sort of relevant (if you ignore that his latest release was also his last), and has kind of a following. You could do a lot worse.

Want: 100%
I love me some Chibi-Robo. The original's great, Park Patrol is also really good, I haven't played the Japan-only one but it looks like a fun return to form, I even enjoyed the AR photograph one for a couple of days before dropping it in boredom. He deserves his due, and he's more than earned a spot in Smash. He fights with toothbrushes - who could say no to that?

Noms: Cooking Mama x20
Red prediction: 11.74%

I'm assuming that I can't get all 20 noms since I abstained on a want score for Microsoft rep, right? I think I got myself confused with this double day. I don't want to use my extra noms yet
I'm pretty confused myself, but I think you qualify for 20 noms. That's 10 for your Bethesda rating (5+ sentences for one score) and 10 for your Chibi-Robo rating (10 sentences for 2 scores).

Don't take it as definitive because I might have miscounted though.
 

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Alright, lets do the easy one first

Chibi Robo

Chance 0 - I cant see this happening. Nintendo seems to not really care about the series anymore. The last game also flopped hard. To top it all off we haven't seen the series in approaching 6 years at this point. Feels like the push is over here. If we get some sort of revival then maybe but with how things stand I think Chibi is firmly out, especially for DLC. If we were still looking as base roster content I could maaaaaaybe see a case here but nope, that ship set sail long ago.

Want 10 - Eh, I mean, I do like seeing new Nintendo series get the bump to playable. There's others I'd want first though, mainly Astral Chain. Chibi does seem like it's at least minimally popular though and has a decent shot at a fun moveset. I just can't see myself getting excited over a character Nintendo themselves has seemingly labeled as C list though.


A Non Steve/Master Chief Microsoft rep( Aka, the thing I started nomming before Steve's reveal and the Bethesda deal was announced. How things have changed)

Chance 25 - If this wasn't including Bethesda I'd go a flat 0 here. However, with Dovahkiin still alive I think it's a possibility given how Skyrim is one of the most iconic games of the 2010s. Outside of him I'm not sure there's anyone else who's viable. Not that there's not worthy series from Microsoft. They have the likes of State of Decay, Killer Instinct, and Sea of Thieves among many others. They all just seem so very unlikely now that Steve is here. If we're gonna get another Microsoft rep I think it's going to have to be someone/something of greater or equal importance to Steve and there's so few characters and series who live up to that for them. I'm still in the camp of Doom Guy is dead for FP2 and it feels like Fallout is dead with the Vault Boy costume. I think the only other series with a smidge of possibility is Gears of War, which actually might have a play but not a strong one. On top of that I have a hard time seeing Microsoft giving 3 characters to Smash over Master Chief. Overall today is kinda a bummer because I was hoping we could get a few new series some buzz but instead due to developments it's just kinda a breeze by day. Oh well, nothing really can be done about that I suppose. So yeah, I guess this is just a long and roundabout way for me to rate Dovahkiin again but hey, he's a cool character.



Want 70 - Yeah, I think there's some good picks here. Obviously Dovahkiin deserves a look. Doom Guy is iconic and does too. Gears of War is well known and even though I don't know the series super well I can't argue against it being important. I have a big connection to Killer Instinct from long ago when I was a kid so that would be pretty awesome as well. Feels like there's a number of hidden gems here. Probably gonna have to wait until Smash 6 or fighters pass 3 to discuss them more in depth though since at the moment it just seems so unlikely. Not going to go much higher because I'm not on board for someone or something random and stupid but for realistic picks there's a lot of solid choices here.

Predictions:
Red(Angry Birds) - 3.95

Noms: Suppose its time I get a character I've wanted to see rated for a really long time up there now.
John Marston x20
 
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-= Dwarf Automaton =-
Chance: 0%
The seven DLC fighters we've gotten so far have either been big third party characters or more recent Nintendo success stories. Chibi-Robo was cut off at the proverbial kneecaps by Nintendo themselves at every juncture imaginable. I honetly struggle to fathom a situation in which Nintendo went up to Sakurai and asked him to put Chibi-Robo in Smash. Maybe next time, little fella...

Want: 55%
I've never played the series, nor do I have any interest to, but I'd be pretty happy if he got in some day... provided they don't mention anything related to Chibi-Robo: Zip-Lash.

-= It's amazing that X-Box has so many IP under it's umbrella and yet decides to not make games with most of them, and none of them are ever Banjo-Kazooie or Conker related =-
Chance: 0%
Four slots left, Steve and Banjo are already in, and we can't choose Master Chief? Yeah, no way.

Want: 30%
Conker or Battletoads in Smash would be neat I guess, but outside of that I don't really care all that much.
 

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MS rep that's not Steve or Chief...

Chance: 10%

Yeah. I say Dovahkin or bust. Doom Slayer got hard deconfirmed by that interview, and Fallout got Mii treatment... but on the other hand, Vault Boy costume kinda dampens Dragonborn's chance. It's the same deal as Assassin's Creed. While it's not hard deconfirmation, it's still serious blow. Why separate different series from the same company into different slots? That makes little sense. Other MS reps like Battle Toad, Conker and Killer Instinct have little to no support. Massive fan support is what got Phil's attention. If MS wants to push their another series, it would be Halo or more noteworthy series. Infinite is coming later, so it makes sense to pick it over other series that are not on radar. For Nintendo, they would pick more famous franchise as well. They have to advertise fighter pass with more famous characters afterall.

Want: 75%

I would be hyped for Dovahkin. I enjoyed Skyrim a lot sans game breaking bug. Even if he takes away spot from Master Chief, I wouldn't be mad. But my most wanted from MS will remain Chief. It would be amusing to see "fus ro dah" in Smash.

Chibi-Robo

Chance: 0%

From what I gathered, it's pretty much a dead series. The last game really put nail in the coffin. Pretty mixed review and sales failure don't bode well for this series. It's not like Banjo whose last game was at least fairly positive. This guy would be Spirit at most. It's not something that would sell DLC. If this guy gets in, it will decrease hype for later slots. It doesn't check all category required for dlc slot. There are other Nintendo properties that are in higher esteem and priority. So competition is already fierce within Nintendo itself.

Want: Abstain

I never got into this series. So, I have no knowledge to speak of.

Nom: Characters that don't have their games on Nintendo Platform x 20
 

Blankiturayman

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Microsoft character that isn't Chief (Funny how time passes)
Chance: 10%
It seems Bethesda is being counted here, so at the very least I think that'll give them some leeway. It's been mostly said already but yeah, they've got some big names, namely Skyrim and DOOM that both have Nintendo presence, Skyrim even being ported around the time of the Switch's release. Both are pretty big games, though sadly Doomguy/Doom Slayer/Doom what-have-you had a pretty damning interview to his chances recently. Having read it myself, I don't think it's impossible per se, but Dovahkiin is more in the clear. With Vault Boy from Fallout of all characters already being in as a Mii I could see there being a bit more involvement. It's kind of a grey area since Vault Boy himself could've come with a Bethesda character; so it's unclear whether they're in the clear or not. Well, that explains the chance at least.

Now as for someone not from Bethesda... as much as I'd love to see Conker in this game, yeah, I just don't see it. Rare characters seem to be done with Banjo, not impossible either as with anything, but the chance would be very very low since Banjo & Kazooie clearly were a fan-demand character going from interviews, and the rest of the Rare characters don't have that. As for Microsoft's other properties, I don't think they have much going for them either, all I could think of was a Gears of War character maybe, but even that one has very low chances, at least since we're taking Chief out of the equation who, now that Steve is in, seems like the most likely, pure Microsoft character. (As in, not from another studio owned by them like Bethesda).

Want: 60%
Mostly depends on the character. I don't have much of an attachment to Skyrim or DOOM but characters from them would be cool. Not much to say on Gears of War or Microsoft's other properties that I might be forgetting. I'd love a Rare character the most: Conker, Joanna Dark, Fulgore, Rash or any of the battletoads (or even as a team), even a second BK character, bring in Gruntilda, bring Mumbo Jumbo. Sadly I feel these are the least likely as I explained in the chance section.

Now for the other.

Chibi-Robo
Chance: 0.5%
Sorry buddy. This is quite the unfortunate situation. It's already mostly been said but nonetheless: the series is pretty much dying. The last few games have done pretty poorly, and its developer is even almost on the brink of going away. Not to mention that the last game was in 2015, which may not be that far away in comparison with other choices, but given the reception of Zip Lash, with it being noted as even a "financial failure" in Japan, it really doesn't do any good for him. With how the games have gone ever since its release sometimes I wonder if Nintendo really didn't want much to do with the series. I think this extends to DLC given that Nintendo is making the selection this time around, I doubt they'd go for Chibi-Robo who they've been mostly neglecting. Maybe he'd have a better shot at base game where selections are done with more leeway, but in the scope of DLC yeah I don't think so. At the very least I remember him being mentioned here and there for Smash when the series was in a better position, so it's not like fan demand doesn't exist for this character, but it's also really, really small by now. I say this often, but given there's only 4 slots left, I don't think Nintendo wanted to go for Chibi-Robo out of all things.

Want: Abstain
I haven't tried any of these games so I don't think I'm in a position to give a proper score. At least I think he plays alright in Smash Flash 2 but that's just a fangame anyways. Maybe at some point I'll try at least one of them, but from the little I've seen I think he'd play alright in Smash proper.

Nominations: Worms x20 if I got it right

Red prediction: 2%
 

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It's not easy not being green.

Chance: 0%/10%, depending on if you count Bethesda or not. As IIRC this nomination is older than that, and all selections would have been made prior to the buyout, I will completely ignore it, and thus give it a 0%. Not only did we literally just get Steve, I can believe that Nintendo had the funds to get two Microsoft characters at most. Not three, regardless of how charitable Microsoft is there's still a bottom line and a third may have been out of budget. Now why we would get anybody else from Microsoft over Master Chief...? There is no reason. Master Chief has better EVERYTHING than anybody else left from the company. Relevance, check. Fan demand, check. Moveset potential, check. Star power, check. Shock value, half check. Unless they deliberately made an out of left field choice for shock value only (which I can believe from just first parties, but out of third parties? Ones with more hassles to go through for communication?), there is no way we get any of them before Master Chief.

Only reason why Bethesda would have a chance is because prior to the buyout they were separate (said Captain Obvious). Even then, they straight up said Doom in Smash was not happening and odds are against an Elder Scrolls character. And they got a Mii Costume out of season for Fallout. Things are looking very bad for them to begin with. Now in a post Master Chief world this concept will be a lot more likely... on paper, but we have to factor in how likely MS is to still have a good enough relationship with Nintendo and Sora for this chance to even stay.

Want: 15%. I don't want a random choice when the guy everybody wants is right there. Or more accurately, even if Conker strikes my fancy the most, and I'd also prefer the Battletoads, I don't think ANY MS rep deserves it over Chief right now. It'd be pretty ridiculous to me that a character with everything going for them gets passed over for pretty much no justifiable reason. Now if it turns out Chief getting in would piss off people at Microsoft and they don't want him that'd be another story, but I don't think that's the case.

Paper Mario: Sticker Star if it killed the whole franchise and IntSys... or, Chibi Robo's fate

Chance: 0.01%. Basically 0%. It would be higher with a baseline if this were base game... but this is DLC. DLC means that every character has to justify their inclusion. Sure, in theory Steve basically nullifies that, but in practice there's still a bunch of audiences not wowed by Minecraft or ARMS who have yet to purchase the second pass. This is something that every character that has been DLC has done, except Min Min who was a special request and Byleth who was a promotional character. Chibi Robo is neither a gaming icon, a genre icon, a major fan request (it's not nonexistant, but the character has more than likely seen better days), nor anything else, and with how Zip Lash went it's unlikely he's promotional either. That leaves it up to a special request to get him in, which... we can't count on. It's something I don't factor in because that's an X-Factor that we can't prove would or will happen.

Also we have never had a Mii Costume promoted in the same game. Chibi Robo's was base game, though, so I wouldn't hold it against him that much. It's just something I find worth noting.

Want: 55%. Chibi Robo got ****ED over so bad that my want score is less because I think the moveset could be interesting, or I like the character/series or whatnot, but because his fans deserve another chance. This is the ultimate case of crappy management and marketing of a series sending it to what is most likely its doom. Smash would be a big first step in a revitalization of Chibi Robo and is something I think should happen. Not because I want it, but because others do.

Red will most likely get 3.27%. CJ x 15, Arle x 5.
 

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I meant more in general I don't think we're going to get a Bethesda character and that includes Elder Scrolls, although if we did get one it would probably be from Elder Scrolls. (Mostly since DOOM and Fallout are out.)

I feel like an (as a result of the current circumstances surrounding the company) was dropped. That being said, from what I understand the game isn't that popular in the Smash scene anymore. By no means do I think an Elder Scrolls character would be bad (on the contrary), or even a never ever, but right now I have trouble thinking one is coming anytime soon.
 

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Day over.

Rate Red from Angry Birds.

Predict The Knight from Hollow Knight.

Megadoomer Megadoomer

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Completely off-topic but the URL of the first video actually has "Y0TUbE" in it. Pretty neat.
 

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Red

Chance: 15%

I'm not entirely sure about this one. On one hand, Angry Birds has been on Nintendo platform quite some time. On the other hand, I don't think there is enough fan demand if at all. Angry Birds is no doubt a gigantic franchise. But it's one of the series that I feel 'moveset' is kinda roadblock. Yeah yeah... we have Pirahna Plant, but I'm not sure Sakurai is creative enough to come up with moveset. Newer Red with arms and legs would make more sense in term of fighter, yet I feel that kinda defeats purpose of original Angry Birds. Or should I say... lose what makes Angry Birds unique. I think Mii costume is what he would get most likely.

Want: 25%

I played most of games in the series, but I'm not sure about fighter. I think assist trophy or spirit would do justice better. It's one of the characters that don't fit as a fighter imo. I would be fine with anything but fighter.

Nom: Characters that don't have their games on Nintendo Platform x 10
 

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Abtsain, Angry Birds is a series I want to forget abot nowadays, because it gives me flashbacks of the movie and I really just want to forget about it.
 

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Red

Chance: 15%. Angry Birds is quite popular for it to have multiple games and stuff, so the chance of an Angry Birds Rep is not quite far fetched. And if the franchise don’t have playable reps, they could spirits, Mii Costumes or assist trophies, the very latter if we get a new Super Smash Bros game.

Want: 80%. I have played quite a bit of Angry Birds a few years back, and I approve of Red being a playable rep. He would be fun to play as, and I can see the slingshot being an Up Special, as well as him joining an alliance with Falco, King Dedede, Duck Hunt and Banjo and Kazooie in a fight. Overall, Red would make an great fighter for Smash Bros, but I think a Plants vs Zombies Rep would be my preferred choice of a Mobile Rep.

Prediction: the Knight (15%)

Noms: 5 for Boss: Rayquaza
 

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I remember playing a flash game that is basically Angry Birds but with a Spongebob skin and you used Garry instead of birds

Chance: 10%

Angry Birds is definitely big. Like huge to the point where not only does it have dozens of games but it has had a giant amount of promotions with TV shows, restaurants, other video games, movies like Star Wars, and even sponsorships with sports teams. It even has two movies and several shows! Angry Birds has been around since 2009 and shows no signs of slowing down. It is without a doubt one of the juggernauts of mobile gaming and it has built up a legacy.

One thing that I had to really research was Angry Birds' presence in Japan. I found this one article saying that Angry Birds is not popular in Japan due to huge competition. But this article is from 2013 so I dug deeper and it turns out that at the very least, the first movie (not sure about the second) was released in Japan and to advertise the film there was a promotion with Jetstar Japan (A Japanese airline company). Not only that, but there is a line of comics in Japan too. So overall judging from my research Angry Birds is not nearly as popular in Japan as it is in the West, but it does have a presence there so Japanese people are aware of the series and there seems to be a fanbase for it. And I just remembered there being a mode in Smash 4 that was certainly inspired by Angry Birds.

With that said, would Nintendo choose Angry Birds? I think there is a chance even if its Nintendo of Japan choosing the characters, but there are two major road blocks. The first one being the fact that Angry Birds is primarily a mobile series with very few games on Nintendo systems, so Rovio Entertainment doesn't have too much of a relationship with Nintendo. I would not make a big deal out of this if it wasn't for the fact that Nintendo has their own mobile game, Dragalia Lost. I'm betting that if Nintendo wanted to add a mobile rep, it would most likely be from their own mobile game, rather than from a foreign game that isn't too popular in their country. The second major road block I see is moveset potential. I honestly don't have much experience with the Angry Birds games and I'm not sure if the spinoffs can help with this, but I struggle to see a viable moveset that could work in Smash. The main gameplay of Angry Birds consists of you flinging birds at structures to knock them down. I'm not sure if that could be translated into a moveset that isn't just Red being flung everywhere. If there is someone who is more knowledgeable about the mechanics of the series that can give ideas on how Red can have a fun and varied moveset, please share.

But for now, Red will stick to this score. Despite Angry Birds being a juggernaut in the West, I have my doubts when it comes to his inclusion.

Want: 5%

I did play some of Angry Birds a while ago. It is a fun and charming game, but it's not something I'm interested in seeing in Smash. I would rather them just bring back Target Blast from Smash 4, plus have an Angry Birds spirit event and just call it a day. There is not much that Angry Birds can bring to the table that I'm interested in and the music is just OK to decent in my opinion.

Prediction: The Knight - 19%

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I don't bring up moveset potential first in these ratings but I just really want to say I have zero clue how you could make an Angry Bird in Smash work. Like, would you be able to move the signature slingshot? Would it just remain stationary for specials and have Red move around by himself? First of, that wouldn't be very faithfull to Angry Birds and second, Red would have a very uninspired moveset. He's an orb-shaped bird that doesn't attack aside from being shot by a slingshot. I just don't see any fighter material there and can't imagine it working. Sakurai would have to pull off some serious mental gymnastics to make a moveset for him remotely interesting.

Regarding the rest of it, sure it was a phenomenon in the early 2010's and I guess it still has some popularity. The franchise is undoubtledy the face of mobile gaming as well. I don't think that would be enough for Nintendo to go for it that said. They've got their own original Mobile game IP they would likely prioritize. Angry Birds also hasn't caught on in Japan as much the looks of it and I really doubt it will at this point because this franchise is definitely past its prime. Not saying people have forgotten about it but I wouldn't really call Angry Birds the future of gaming. We already have had a character that appeals to the casual crowd just recently and if they want to do that again there are probably better options these days. Don't know much about the relation between Nintendo and Rovio as well. There doesn't seem to be any AB games on the Switch, tho who buys those console versions anyway?

Due to being a western third-party I don't see potential in, I wouldn't want this. I also don't really mobile game anymore and I haven't played an Angry birds game in years and I don't feel the need to. Nothing against it but it's just something I have grown out of.

The Knight: 13.32%
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