Question on Egg Lay

Snailtopus

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#1
Hey errbody,

In my play style, I don't use egg lay tooooo often, but sometimes when I use the move, it will connect with my opponent, but will not complete. Yoshi's tongue will pull the opponent in, but rather than eat them, it will release them directly in front of me, as if the move was cancelled before swallowing them.

The question is this: when this happens, is it because I did something to cancel it? Is it a result of the opponent mashing out of it, since it acts as a grab? Or is it a random occurrence programmed into the move?

Also, when it happens, my usual response is to either single jab -> yoshi bomb or try to SH nair. What else works? Is it character specific?

Thanks in advance :b:
 

~Firefly~

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It's because you caught your opponent with the very tip of your tongue in just the right way; it has nothing to do with any extra inputs you make, and one cannot mash out of Egg Lay. You can do pretty much anything out of this, regardless of character, if you react quickly enough; you have about half a second before your opponent regains control, so you can even FSmash them. The problem is that the conditions for getting this cancel are so strict that it's very difficult to reproduce.
 

Oz

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Could you expand more on the things we can do out of an Egg Lay? I mostly just take advantage of it as an aerial grab and follow up with an U-Air (when I can) about 90% of the time.
 

~Firefly~

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We don't really have much in the way of guaranteed follow-ups on Egg Lay because of the fact that the opponent can control when they break out and they get invincibility frames when they break out. A decent option is to throw eggs above them so they fly into them when they pop out, as well as Uairing, as you said. You can also get Usmash/Fsmash on fastfallers, but that's not often worth it since that stales your smash, the attack does half damage anyway, and they can possibly punish your lag if they break out on time.

Typing this out made me kinda mad at how bad our egg lay followups are. -.- It does cut our opponent's momentum very well though and can give us good stage control as well, so there's that.
 

Snailtopus

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Sometimes, when I'm feeling... daaangerous.. I'll chase the opponent under the ledge and egg lay them, depending on the character and reaction time, it can be effective against characters like Marth.

Also, in matches against DK, I use it to counter his giant punch.

Occasionally I'll throw in a DJC egg lay back onto the stage as a recovery mixup, but against characters that outrange us, this is never a good idea lol
 
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