Punishing Fox's Dash Attack

[danieltheboi]

So when Fox's do a "late" dash attack, or one where the ending dash attack animation goes back the shield so it's out of shield grab range, is there a way to punish that? Is it possible to WD OOS pivot grab or is that too slow?

 

[Gnarsty]

Ftilt > Fox's dash attack

 

[Scroll]

I don't see WD OoS Pivot Grab being usefull for anything

Also I cant exactly picture the scenario you're describing. Where does Fox end up?

 

[Poccoishere]

I don't see WD OoS Pivot Grab being usefull for anything

Also I cant exactly picture the scenario you're describing. Where does Fox end up?

Sounds like the fox ends up behind a shielding Sheik. Assuming this I would say don't try for the shield grab and simply ftilt the fox then tech chase him until he crys.

 

[Ministry]

in this scenario its better to not sheild and CC grab. if u are in sheild and he end up behind u, if u react fast enough you and upsmash OOS, or Nair oos.

 

[Pauer]

Is it possible to WD OOS pivot grab or is that too slow?

No need for a pivot, but judging from fox's frame data

Spoiler: Fox Dash Attack

Dash attack

Total: 39
Hit: 4-17
IASA: 36

You should be able to get a grab. Given that fox lands behind you, you must be hit rather early. Let's say your're hit anywhere between frame 4 and 12 of his dash attack (I assume it might even be earlier), that gives you a minimum 3 frame leniency given fox uses the earliest possible shine on frame 37.
It would be interesting to see how late fox can hit you and still end up behind you. Perhaps there are situations where wd->grab wouldn't be guaranteed and only nair OOS would work.

 

[LovinMitts]

nair out of shield maybe

 

[hologram summer]

at high percent instant bair oos works, other than that nair oos. if you're fast at reacting you can shield grab fox before he crosses you up I think. other option is to jump out of shield and land behind him with a falling fair