Potential Recovery Trick

[Sabre]

Hey everyone, I was just playing with a friend of mine who has been labbing ivysaur and he thought he had discovered something new that could make her tether recovery a lot less painful. Essentially, when you're forced to hop onstage, you can fall back at the right timing to slide offstage, which refreshes your jump/tethers and cancels any lag as you can now use an aerial right at the ledge. For all intents and purposes it is ledge-cancelling the forced hop, and while it won't work against attacks that can hit you before you touch the stage, often players wait to force you up and then they attempt to punish you on the stage, so this would allow you to avoid that if you mix this up properly.
I don't know if this was already something you guys knew about, but I figured I'd post it in case anyone found it useful.

 

[WhinoTheRhino]

This is already known, although I don't think any top players have implemented it anyways.

 

[cisyphus]

JZ and Sothe definitely do this. It's a big reason I still have trouble in the MU since they've conditioned me to expect it but few Ivysaurs actually utilize it at all.

 

[Sabre]

Okay, do you guys find that it makes it any harder to punish her recovery when they do it?

 

[cisyphus]

If you're not expecting it for sure. It adds another dimension to her recovery options and is all-around pretty great. It only really loses to aerials from ledge afaik so it's match-up dependent. Like Falcon it really doesn't matter that much how you manage it; you're getting knee'd either way. But someone like Sheik where the best option is to ledge stand and grab, it's hard to punish. Snake actually can make it impossible tho.

 

[Sabre]

Cool, thanks for all the info! This definitely seems like something I should start practicing then, but I do need to learn which matchups it will be harder/impossible to use safely in.

 

[Miniboulet]

Hey guys, not the first time i hear that but do you have a video where an Ivy player does that ? Just to see the timing

 

[Verduyn]

It's essentially the same concept as ledge cancelling out of special fall. If you are right in saying JZ does it then his sets against Anther will be a good example of it although I can't think of a time when he has done it