Potential Footstool -> Jab Lock Combo

[PK_Love]

Hi, I recently started to secondary Falco and I am obsessed with footstool combos because I main Lucas. So I was looking for one and noticed at 0% these footstool set-ups work

Variation 1: Up throw -> Up-Air -> Footstool -> Sour Down air -- stops working at weight value 98 -- Deals 25%

Variation 2: Up throw -> Footstool -- Stops working at weight value 96 -- Deals 16%

For weight values refer to this table: http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Weight

These setups have a very small percent range for example:
Variation 1 works on Bowser at 0-3% and Variation 2 works at 0-11%

You can extend both locks with up to two forward tilts adding another 9% each which totals at 43% and 34% maximum potential damage respectively

I tested Variation 1 on these characters and it worked:

• Bowser
• Donkey Kong
• Ike

I tested Variation 2 on these characters and it worked:

• Mario
• Pit
• Wii Fit Trainer

The Punishes afterwards can be standard Falco combos but the best once I found were:

If in the middle of the stage:

• Down Tilt -> FH Up-Air -> F-Air/B-Air -- Potential Edgeguard opportinty -- 31%/35%
• Down Tilt -> FH Up-Air -> Up-Air -- Potential Juggle opportunity -- 32%
• Falling Up-Air -> Up-Tilt -> Up-Air - B-Air -- 41%

Near Edge:

• Edge of Down Tilt -> SH D-Air -> FF -> Double Jump D-Air/B-Air to cover Oppenent Jump/Recovery and get a Spike/Stage Spike
• (Opponent has bad recovery) Jab Cancel -> F-Air -- Please refer to here: https://youtu.be/G6X759rIxBU?t=545

Feeling Risky:

• Grab -> Pummel -> Forward Throw -> 3 Lasers to Jab Lock if they didn't Tech
• (Near Edge) Down Tilt -> FH Down Air -> FF -> Footstool

I haven't been able to test escape options.

 

[Piipp]

Hi, I recently started to secondary Falco and I am obsessed with footstool combos because I main Lucas. So I was looking for one and noticed at 0% these footstool set-ups work

Variation 1: Up throw -> Up-Air -> Footstool -> Sour Down air -- stops working at weight value 98 -- Deals 25%

Variation 2: Up throw -> Footstool -- Stops working at weight value 96 -- Deals 16%

For weight values refer to this table: http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Weight

These setups have a very small percent range for example:
Variation 1 works on Bowser at 0-3% and Variation 2 works at 0-11%

You can extend both locks with up to two forward tilts adding another 9% each which totals at 43% and 34% maximum potential damage respectively

I tested Variation 1 on these characters and it worked:

• Bowser
• Donkey Kong
• Ike

I tested Variation 2 on these characters and it worked:

• Mario
• Pit
• Wii Fit Trainer

The Punishes afterwards can be standard Falco combos but the best once I found were:

If in the middle of the stage:

• Down Tilt -> FH Up-Air -> F-Air/B-Air -- Potential Edgeguard opportinty -- 31%/35%
• Down Tilt -> FH Up-Air -> Up-Air -- Potential Juggle opportunity -- 32%
• Falling Up-Air -> Up-Tilt -> Up-Air - B-Air -- 41%

Near Edge:

• Edge of Down Tilt -> SH D-Air -> FF -> Double Jump D-Air/B-Air to cover Oppenent Jump/Recovery and get a Spike/Stage Spike
• (Opponent has bad recovery) Jab Cancel -> F-Air -- Please refer to here: https://youtu.be/G6X759rIxBU?t=545

Feeling Risky:

• Grab -> Pummel -> Forward Throw -> 3 Lasers to Jab Lock if they didn't Tech
• (Near Edge) Down Tilt -> FH Down Air -> FF -> Footstool

I haven't been able to test escape options.

I'm exactly like you. I main Lucas and I love his dair lock and whenever I picked up Falco (like 4 months ago), I tried to see if he had a Dair/Jab lock combo. I didn't have any luck so I just went back to doing normal Falco things. But this is a really great find. I've been labbing it for about 20 mins so far and it feels really good. Great find!

EDIT: Although it is a great find, I feel like it isn't as reliable since it only works on a small amount of the cast. But it is really good if the situation ever arises that you have to play one of those characters.

 

[Golden Rainbow]

Jab lock combos are really nice to have. Usually, I just resort to d-throw -> triple ftilt (the lock) then I do a falling uair. Of course, there's a huge tech window and a lot of characters can just jump away, but there's a few matchups where it really shines (rip dedede).

Also, since you're labbing footstools already: I heard good stuff about uair -> footstool -> immediate Up-B to cancel momentum (the lock) -> punish. I don't really know if it works (nor can I test it atm), but you can try if you want. If it even works, it probably goes until weight class 90 or something along that line.

 

[redcometchar]

Is there a legitimate footstool combo thread somewhere? Falco has a bunch of footstool jab lock setups.

 

[PK_Love]

Jab lock combos are really nice to have. Usually, I just resort to d-throw -> triple ftilt (the lock) then I do a falling uair. Of course, there's a huge tech window and a lot of characters can just jump away, but there's a few matchups where it really shines (rip dedede).

Also, since you're labbing footstools already: I heard good stuff about uair -> footstool -> immediate Up-B to cancel momentum (the lock) -> punish. I don't really know if it works (nor can I test it atm), but you can try if you want. If it even works, it probably goes until weight class 90 or something along that line.

I tried this and it does work! But it is a high risk low reward as:

• You have to assume you got the foot stool as you won't be able to use the Up-B quick enough on reaction so if you muss the footstool then huge punish for opponent
• Sometimes you get 4 hits and they break out
• and it deals a small amount of damage

However I put that aside and started labbing it. So:
You can also do this after an Up-Tilt and Down-Tilt at earlier percents
You can get a big combo off 0%:
Up-Tilt until the next one won't connect -> Footstool -> immediate Up-B -> front hit of Up-Tilt -> Footstool -> immediate Up-B -> back hit of Up-Tilt -> immediate Up-B -> up-air -> footstool -> immediate Up-B-- This worked on bowser

If you mess up and get the last hit just try to extend a combo out of it

 

[redcometchar]

• You have to assume you got the foot stool as you won't be able to use the Up-B quick enough on reaction so if you muss the footstool then huge punish for opponent

Nah you can option select it with nair

 

[Berni_Alt]

lol so many lucas falco combos, i main lucas too and secondary falco.

 

[TheYellowBlaze]

I tried this and it does work! But it is a high risk low reward as:

• You have to assume you got the foot stool as you won't be able to use the Up-B quick enough on reaction so if you muss the footstool then huge punish for opponent
• Sometimes you get 4 hits and they break out
• and it deals a small amount of damage

However I put that aside and started labbing it. So:
You can also do this after an Up-Tilt and Down-Tilt at earlier percents
You can get a big combo off 0%:
Up-Tilt until the next one won't connect -> Footstool -> immediate Up-B -> front hit of Up-Tilt -> Footstool -> immediate Up-B -> back hit of Up-Tilt -> immediate Up-B -> up-air -> footstool -> immediate Up-B-- This worked on bowser

If you mess up and get the last hit just try to extend a combo out of it

Care to show video of this? That would help a lot

 

[Ffamran]

Care to show video of this? That would help a lot

There's this similar setup. Don't know how applicable it would be.

 

[TheYellowBlaze]

There's this similar setup. Don't know how applicable it would be.

I see. Thanks

 

[eshu125]

Have you tested this on fastfallers yet?

Edit: nvm soz

 

[Snipnigth]

i was testing jablocks on traning and i found that if your enemy is on the edge of a pataform or close you can go below them and sh-nair-FF and this will make them, fall to the ground without the ability to tech it, then you just down angle ftilt to jablock them.