Data Pokemon Battle Strategies: Sm4sh Jigglypuff Matchup Thread (Discussing Ryu)

[Codaption]

You would most certainly be right, our approach is far from good and our combo-starting aerials do require commitment to actually combo. Rest assured that they aren't completely useless... Nair beats out all versions of hadouken, for one, and we do have Bair which is safe on shield as always, but by and large it's one of our bigger issues as a general thing.

(Utilt actually is a pretty safe combo starter, but it's really not all that reliable as a kill setup due to how strict the window is where you can kill off of it. Not like you can really use it aggressively either. Not quite sure why that was included tbh)

 

[Jiggly]

so we gonna put it 40:60 and continue onto MK?

 

[Stickmanlolz]

so we gonna put it 40:60 and continue onto MK?

I think that sounds like a good idea 40:60 in Ryu's favor

 

[Codaption]

mk... honestly, we should get RDR7 on this one. He'd have a loooooooot to say about it, I'm sure.

 

[Jiggly]

mk... honestly, we should get RDR7 on this one. He'd have a loooooooot to say about it, I'm sure.

Exactly who I was gonna call, was waiting to finish Ryu first lol

 

[RDR7]

MK is a ******* matchup. You need to find a way to get out of the kill percent. Which to my knowledge is 0-20? Correct me if I'm wrong but it's around there. Then you can escape the up airs. Any smart mk will just keep you around that percent tho so you have to either rely on him to mess up or (as I have been told) DI in and rest him (DONT QUOTE ME ON THIS) I'm not sure if this is possible, Serynder told me a few things about it and even tested it with Boss. The matchup is 70:30 MK's favor. Just absolutely horrific. MK is one of the few characters I just switch from puff altogether. The only other being Yoshi but only at an above average level.

 

[drakeirving]

fortunately many MKs aren't good enough to execute

 

[Desu~]

HOLY **** GUYS.

Jiggs can crouch like 40 - 50% of Ryu's moves.

Not even once have I saw an argument about that.

Damn.

 

[Stickmanlolz]

HOLY **** GUYS.

Jiggs can crouch like 40 - 50% of Ryu's moves.

Not even once have I saw an argument about that.

Damn.

His light down tilt combo-->d-smash can deal with that
even if we jump(pretty easy to expect a puff to do this eventually) a Ryu can easily switch to light up tilt which can stuff our puff

 

[Jiggly]

HOLY **** GUYS.

Jiggs can crouch like 40 - 50% of Ryu's moves.

Not even once have I saw an argument about that.

Damn.

It's not as safe as it is vs most other characters due to most Ryu's punishing with light dtilt in most situations vs. puff.

 

[Blue Banana]

Hi, the Olimar board is now discussing the Jigglypuff matchup. Any input is appreciated.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Rosalina is analyzing Jigglypuff at her sub-forum again. You can go to the following thread link if you have anything to contribute for the match-up.

http://smashboards.com/threads/415285/

 

[Stickmanlolz]

Should we Start to work on the Mewtwo MU? He's steadily becoming more like a High/Top tier

 

[CHOVI]

No one cares about the mu discussions (sadly)

 

[Stickmanlolz]

No one cares about the mu discussions (sadly)

What makes you say that?other than the fact that no one is posting

 

[Jiggly]

Honestly we might switch to multiple characters/open discussion for this due to patches. I have heard a lot of people dont like discussing MUs due to it constantly changing. idk, I was gonna do MK next, but thats a totally different MU now. What would you guys want to discuss next, and do you want any changes to the MU thread?

 

[Stickmanlolz]

Perhaps we should do Charizard or D3 neither one has changed much since the game's release or Corrin as I don't see how/why they will change him anymore. Marth's overall strategy has not really changed much so even with more patches potentially changing him the MU generally stays the same

 

[MisterDom]

Hi guys. Just saying hi approximately 5 months later

 

[Jiggly]

I think Ryu beats Puff.


Real talk, Discord JMUs the way to go.

 

[MisterDom]

I think Ryu beats Puff.


Real talk, Discord JMUs the way to go.

Yep. The method used in this thread (which is probably optimal for every character discussion) is kinda broken...